Interesting MXDN news from Matthes

ando wrote:

So if Deegan says to Star when he signs his contract that MXdN is important to me and I want to go that they say no?If...

So if Deegan says to Star when he signs his contract that MXdN is important to me and I want to go that they say no?

If Deegan or any other top rider want to go they will.  One thing not holding them back is money.

And stop with the risk crap.  If there were four SMX playoffs they’d be there, same risk of injury.  That risk is always there. 

Pop Shmoke wrote:

Theres nothing wrong with deegan not wanting to go. Thats perfectly fine and his choice to make.The part thats lame is him pretending he wants to...

Theres nothing wrong with deegan not wanting to go. Thats perfectly fine and his choice to make.

The part thats lame is him pretending he wants to go, when he doesnt, every single year in order to get ppl all excited for the possibility that were going to send a good team. Then after the whole entire year goes by with him teasing that hes going, riiiiiight at the deadline and right on cue -he pulls out, finds an excuse, or has someone else cover for him. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Its not most times, a lot of times, many times, its every single freaking year since hes turned pro he pulls the same exact stunt. And the bed bugs believe this years bullshit story every time LOL. 

Thats the part thats a dbag move. 

ando wrote:

In it just for the money, but doesn’t want people to think it’s just for the money.

The Wolf Man wrote:

I don't like the reasons. They're bullshit. Donger is just a massive phoney who couldn't give two shits about representing the US. As for Star, they...

I don't like the reasons. They're bullshit. Donger is just a massive phoney who couldn't give two shits about representing the US. As for Star, they would go if Donger wanted to.

MXMattii wrote:

They went with Webb, they went with Martin, they went with Tomac. That is enough proof. The team is protecting golden boy. The saddest part is...

They went with Webb, they went with Martin, they went with Tomac. That is enough proof. The team is protecting golden boy. The saddest part is that the US media is throwing themselves in front of Deegan like a bodyguard in front of the president in some sort of B-Movie... The sh¡t you read coming from the biggest names in US MX journalism, it's one big laughing stock.

ando wrote:

What an absolute crock of shit.  Riders can make anything happen if they want.Seems to me like a good dose of humility would go long way...

What an absolute crock of shit.  Riders can make anything happen if they want.

Seems to me like a good dose of humility would go long way here.  Dozens of riders every year pack their suspension and riding gear into a kit bag, jump on a plane (that they most likely paid for) and go ride the MXdN.

Meanwhile the richest teams and riders in the world are complaining that it’s too expensive, they don’t get paid, and it’s not fair that someone else is making money.  If they don’t want to go just say so, but any other excuse is just plain bullshit, and outright disrespectful to every other rider and country that just makes it happen.

super_fan_38 wrote:

Riders cannot make anything happen if they want.  That's just more assertion without fact, which this thread is full of.  Smaller team face much less constraints...

Riders cannot make anything happen if they want.  That's just more assertion without fact, which this thread is full of.  Smaller team face much less constraints and logistics than larger teams do in terms of contracts, budgets, expenses, travel, bike testing, etc.  

There are plenty of valid reasons why it's harder for the bigger teams to go, none of which are disrespectful to the smaller teams and riders. Do you think a rider like Benjamin Garib has more at stake career-wise than Haiden Deegan? It's a win/win for Benjamin to pack his bags and go to the race; it's the chance of a lifetime.  A rider like Haiden Deegan has much more to consider when it comes to the race, such as injuries, testing, getting ready for the 2027 season. Your heroic bullshit about a rider making anything happen is what is disrespectful.  It's not your career on the line with an injury.  It's not your money that's paying for the travel, bikes, and all the other expenses.  It's theirs and and that is why it is their choice. If you don't like their reasons, just say so. But stop being disrespectful to these teams and riders with your bullshit excuses.

ksithumper wrote:

Kay de Wolf interview with Gatedrop:

"One thing is certain. I'll fight for my country. I'll show up at 110% and fight for the flag".

chasetwo79 wrote:

Of course they'd go to the extra SMX round. There are literally huge piles of money up for grabs. That's the entire point of the conversation. 

h20 wrote:

Team USA is going to be awesome this year.  Because it will be 3 people that WANT to be there.  3 people that might never get...

Team USA is going to be awesome this year.  Because it will be 3 people that WANT to be there.  3 people that might never get the chance, a once in a lifetime opportunity.  

I understand Deegan wanting paid, as he should.  I never counted him in for MXON anyways.   YES it’s criminal the event doesn’t pay, and feasts itself on the guys I mentioned above that just want to be part of it.   I think this is the future of MXON it’s going to be top guys but not always the champions.  It’s just supposed to be a fun event, motocross is not a team sport.  And we know who the fastest riders are.  

But all that said … I’m stoked to see Levi race vs 450 talent and Chance on a 450!?  Marchbanks could be a feel good dark horse!  Plus its always posted free on YouTube every year!   

Sandberm656 wrote:

Kawasaki pulled the plug on Marchbanks going. So Kawi USA still sucks ass.Rumor is Webb will take his spot on a Husky. I just can't see...

Kawasaki pulled the plug on Marchbanks going. So Kawi USA still sucks ass.

Rumor is Webb will take his spot on a Husky. I just can't see that though as he will have no time on the bike. I bet Eli goes and then calls it a career

ksithumper wrote:

Kay de Wolf interview with Gatedrop:

"One thing is certain. I'll fight for my country. I'll show up at 110% and fight for the flag".

mavrick121 wrote:

In the United States, patriotism has been turned into a commodity that can be bought and sold, often to signify political affiliation. The meaning of national...

In the United States, patriotism has been turned into a commodity that can be bought and sold, often to signify political affiliation. The meaning of national pride is lost on most of this country, and especially on Gen Z and the generation after them. I say this as a Gen Z-er and a USMC veteran.

De Wolf's comment here, compared to Deegan's attitude and masturbatory flag waving, reminds me of a JFK quote. "Ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country,". I know this is going pretty deep for a reaction to a motocross race, but it feels relevant.

Pop Shmoke wrote:

Theres nothing wrong with deegan not wanting to go. Thats perfectly fine and his choice to make.The part thats lame is him pretending he wants to...

Theres nothing wrong with deegan not wanting to go. Thats perfectly fine and his choice to make.

The part thats lame is him pretending he wants to go, when he doesnt, every single year in order to get ppl all excited for the possibility that were going to send a good team. Then after the whole entire year goes by with him teasing that hes going, riiiiiight at the deadline and right on cue -he pulls out, finds an excuse, or has someone else cover for him. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Its not most times, a lot of times, many times, its every single freaking year since hes turned pro he pulls the same exact stunt. And the bed bugs believe this years bullshit story every time LOL. 

Thats the part thats a dbag move. 

ando wrote:

In it just for the money, but doesn’t want people to think it’s just for the money.

MXMattii wrote:

The MXON doesn't pay, but riders who win the MXON get much more money in races like the Supercross of Paris. I know that we're talking...

The MXON doesn't pay, but riders who win the MXON get much more money in races like the Supercross of Paris. I know that we're talking about 500k for two days in some cases. I hope that Deegs is getting nice money from WSX, but maybe it are "rookie" numbers 😅.

ksithumper wrote:

Kay de Wolf interview with Gatedrop:

"One thing is certain. I'll fight for my country. I'll show up at 110% and fight for the flag".

mavrick121 wrote:

In the United States, patriotism has been turned into a commodity that can be bought and sold, often to signify political affiliation. The meaning of national...

In the United States, patriotism has been turned into a commodity that can be bought and sold, often to signify political affiliation. The meaning of national pride is lost on most of this country, and especially on Gen Z and the generation after them. I say this as a Gen Z-er and a USMC veteran.

De Wolf's comment here, compared to Deegan's attitude and masturbatory flag waving, reminds me of a JFK quote. "Ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country,". I know this is going pretty deep for a reaction to a motocross race, but it feels relevant.

super_fan_38 wrote:

Unfortunately, without Deegan, we will not win.  And who do we have to thank for that?  Star Yamaha.  Deegan's  gotta do what his bosses say.

Unfortunately, without Deegan, we will not win.  And who do we have to thank for that?  Star Yamaha.  Deegan's  gotta do what his bosses say.

mavrick121 wrote:

In the United States, patriotism has been turned into a commodity that can be bought and sold, often to signify political affiliation. The meaning of national...

In the United States, patriotism has been turned into a commodity that can be bought and sold, often to signify political affiliation. The meaning of national pride is lost on most of this country, and especially on Gen Z and the generation after them. I say this as a Gen Z-er and a USMC veteran.

De Wolf's comment here, compared to Deegan's attitude and masturbatory flag waving, reminds me of a JFK quote. "Ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country,". I know this is going pretty deep for a reaction to a motocross race, but it feels relevant.

super_fan_38 wrote:

Unfortunately, without Deegan, we will not win.  And who do we have to thank for that?  Star Yamaha.  Deegan's  gotta do what his bosses say.

Unfortunately, without Deegan, we will not win.  And who do we have to thank for that?  Star Yamaha.  Deegan's  gotta do what his bosses say.

Loch wrote:

Wishfull thinking, you ain’t gonna win with deagan cause you have all those fast euro’s waiting to punt him in the weeds!!!!

 

super_fan_38 wrote:

Unfortunately, without Deegan, we will not win.  And who do we have to thank for that?  Star Yamaha.  Deegan's  gotta do what his bosses say.

Unfortunately, without Deegan, we will not win.  And who do we have to thank for that?  Star Yamaha.  Deegan's  gotta do what his bosses say.

Loch wrote:

Wishfull thinking, you ain’t gonna win with deagan cause you have all those fast euro’s waiting to punt him in the weeds!!!!

 

chasetwo79 wrote:

All those fast euros? What euros that will be at MXoN this year would beat Deegan? Deegan just stayed within a few seconds of Hunter who smoked...

All those fast euros? What euros that will be at MXoN this year would beat Deegan? 

Deegan just stayed within a few seconds of Hunter who smoked everyone last year at this race. 

Deegan has a ton of flaws. Being slow isn't one of them. He would battle for top 3-5 at that race. This isn't MX2. This is going to be a top heavy field this year 

ando wrote:

It’s an optional race.

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Okay, riders can turn it down. Glad we established that.  

ando wrote:

Where is this debate going?  The payment arrangement for MXdN is pretty much identical to Supercross and Pro Motocross - riders aren’t getting paid by the...

Where is this debate going?  The payment arrangement for MXdN is pretty much identical to Supercross and Pro Motocross - riders aren’t getting paid by the promoter, they’re being paid by teams and sponsors.  If, as professional riders, they don’t feel the financial equation adds up they can opt not to race.  Same as when they are shopping around for an SX/MX ride - if the dollars don’t make sense for them they can find a different team or go and do something else.

All that aside, MXoN has never been about the money; it’s about the one opportunity each year to represent your country and test yourself against the best from around the world.  It’s not just another race on the calendar.

Riders who really want to go will make it happen; riders who just want to make a buck out of it can sit and watch while the others go out and get it done.

 

h20 wrote:

Team USA is going to be awesome this year.  Because it will be 3 people that WANT to be there.  3 people that might never get...

Team USA is going to be awesome this year.  Because it will be 3 people that WANT to be there.  3 people that might never get the chance, a once in a lifetime opportunity.  

I understand Deegan wanting paid, as he should.  I never counted him in for MXON anyways.   YES it’s criminal the event doesn’t pay, and feasts itself on the guys I mentioned above that just want to be part of it.   I think this is the future of MXON it’s going to be top guys but not always the champions.  It’s just supposed to be a fun event, motocross is not a team sport.  And we know who the fastest riders are.  

But all that said … I’m stoked to see Levi race vs 450 talent and Chance on a 450!?  Marchbanks could be a feel good dark horse!  Plus its always posted free on YouTube every year!   

Sandberm656 wrote:

Kawasaki pulled the plug on Marchbanks going. So Kawi USA still sucks ass.Rumor is Webb will take his spot on a Husky. I just can't see...

Kawasaki pulled the plug on Marchbanks going. So Kawi USA still sucks ass.

Rumor is Webb will take his spot on a Husky. I just can't see that though as he will have no time on the bike. I bet Eli goes and then calls it a career

NorCal1975 wrote:

Seems like with Kitchens crappy starts it would make more sense to put him on the 450.  Hymas could probably get a halfway decent start on...

Seems like with Kitchens crappy starts it would make more sense to put him on the 450.  Hymas could probably get a halfway decent start on a 250, that does not seem to be the case for Kitchen.  Kind of odd, but hey, I am just glad we have a team!  

If this is true though (Webb, Hymas and Kitchen), I say good huge kudos to Webb for stepping up.  He surprised last time at Matterley Basin on the 250.  And what would he have, just a couple of rides on the Husky before the qualifying motos on Saturday?   Wow!!!!  Cool opportunity for Hymas and Kitchen, and both have showed good speed recently.  

MXMattii wrote:

Tim Gajser is IN, he's gonna race a bike he doesn't like with a team that has almost no chance of winning. All for free 🙃.

ando wrote:

Well they don’t have to go, it is a choice.

DonM wrote:

That's not the point....and that doesn't solve the debate on whether all riders should be paid for going regardless of who they are or where they're...

That's not the point....and that doesn't solve the debate on whether all riders should be paid for going regardless of who they are or where they're from...everyone should at a minimum receive a stipend for expenses from the promoter, all manufactures should have a bonus in their contracts for making the team...I have a novel idea how about the money that Infront receives from Monster to sponsor the event gets distributed equally to all the riders that are chosen to race the event...but greed won't allow that to happen...It's funny how NFL players have it in their contracts to be paid a bonus for being chosen for the Pro Bowl (many don't go but still get the bonus) and that's to play a flag football game that means zero...Do you think golfers that play in the Ryder cup do it for free? They get paid $500k. $300k of it goes to a charity of their choosing and $200k of it goes to the golfer the premise is the same as the MXDN pitting nations against each other.....How many golfers do you think would go if they didn't get paid?

Bow977 wrote:

Some don’t understand business is business and think everything is a charity. 

The Wolf Man wrote:

I don't like the reasons. They're bullshit. Donger is just a massive phoney who couldn't give two shits about representing the US. As for Star, they...

I don't like the reasons. They're bullshit. Donger is just a massive phoney who couldn't give two shits about representing the US. As for Star, they would go if Donger wanted to.

MXMattii wrote:

They went with Webb, they went with Martin, they went with Tomac. That is enough proof. The team is protecting golden boy. The saddest part is...

They went with Webb, they went with Martin, they went with Tomac. That is enough proof. The team is protecting golden boy. The saddest part is that the US media is throwing themselves in front of Deegan like a bodyguard in front of the president in some sort of B-Movie... The sh¡t you read coming from the biggest names in US MX journalism, it's one big laughing stock.

h20 wrote:

Team USA is going to be awesome this year.  Because it will be 3 people that WANT to be there.  3 people that might never get...

Team USA is going to be awesome this year.  Because it will be 3 people that WANT to be there.  3 people that might never get the chance, a once in a lifetime opportunity.  

I understand Deegan wanting paid, as he should.  I never counted him in for MXON anyways.   YES it’s criminal the event doesn’t pay, and feasts itself on the guys I mentioned above that just want to be part of it.   I think this is the future of MXON it’s going to be top guys but not always the champions.  It’s just supposed to be a fun event, motocross is not a team sport.  And we know who the fastest riders are.  

But all that said … I’m stoked to see Levi race vs 450 talent and Chance on a 450!?  Marchbanks could be a feel good dark horse!  Plus its always posted free on YouTube every year!   

Sandberm656 wrote:

Kawasaki pulled the plug on Marchbanks going. So Kawi USA still sucks ass.Rumor is Webb will take his spot on a Husky. I just can't see...

Kawasaki pulled the plug on Marchbanks going. So Kawi USA still sucks ass.

Rumor is Webb will take his spot on a Husky. I just can't see that though as he will have no time on the bike. I bet Eli goes and then calls it a career

h20 wrote:

DAMMIT.

This was their redemption to participate in MXON in my opinion!  

Bad look after Prado & Sexton situations!  Damn.  

The Wolf Man wrote:

I don't like the reasons. They're bullshit. Donger is just a massive phoney who couldn't give two shits about representing the US. As for Star, they...

I don't like the reasons. They're bullshit. Donger is just a massive phoney who couldn't give two shits about representing the US. As for Star, they would go if Donger wanted to.

MXMattii wrote:

They went with Webb, they went with Martin, they went with Tomac. That is enough proof. The team is protecting golden boy. The saddest part is...

They went with Webb, they went with Martin, they went with Tomac. That is enough proof. The team is protecting golden boy. The saddest part is that the US media is throwing themselves in front of Deegan like a bodyguard in front of the president in some sort of B-Movie... The sh¡t you read coming from the biggest names in US MX journalism, it's one big laughing stock.

h20 wrote:

Kellen Brauer gave the best breakdown on his LVK show.  It really is all about money.  He put the riders on blast that say it’s about...

Kellen Brauer gave the best breakdown on his LVK show.  It really is all about money.  He put the riders on blast that say it’s about rest, but then sign up for WSX races.  Nothing wrong with that too, we just have to be honest.  Deegan was not going to go even if Star Racing loaned the bikes because The Deegan’s have made it clear for years they want to be paid for MXON.  I think STAR racing actually took the bad press bullet for Deegan.  But again, if Deegan just said “I’m worth X, I’m risking my life, at the least don’t CHARGE me to attend” I think fans would understand.  

The Wolf Man wrote:

I don't like the reasons. They're bullshit. Donger is just a massive phoney who couldn't give two shits about representing the US. As for Star, they...

I don't like the reasons. They're bullshit. Donger is just a massive phoney who couldn't give two shits about representing the US. As for Star, they would go if Donger wanted to.

MXMattii wrote:

They went with Webb, they went with Martin, they went with Tomac. That is enough proof. The team is protecting golden boy. The saddest part is...

They went with Webb, they went with Martin, they went with Tomac. That is enough proof. The team is protecting golden boy. The saddest part is that the US media is throwing themselves in front of Deegan like a bodyguard in front of the president in some sort of B-Movie... The sh¡t you read coming from the biggest names in US MX journalism, it's one big laughing stock.

h20 wrote:

Kellen Brauer gave the best breakdown on his LVK show.  It really is all about money.  He put the riders on blast that say it’s about...

Kellen Brauer gave the best breakdown on his LVK show.  It really is all about money.  He put the riders on blast that say it’s about rest, but then sign up for WSX races.  Nothing wrong with that too, we just have to be honest.  Deegan was not going to go even if Star Racing loaned the bikes because The Deegan’s have made it clear for years they want to be paid for MXON.  I think STAR racing actually took the bad press bullet for Deegan.  But again, if Deegan just said “I’m worth X, I’m risking my life, at the least don’t CHARGE me to attend” I think fans would understand.  

TheMilkman wrote:

PSA for people who aren’t familiar with Motocross of Nations. It can be pronounced many ways. MXON = saying each letterMXdN or MXDN = saying each letterYou...

PSA for people who aren’t familiar with Motocross of Nations. It can be pronounced many ways. 

MXON = saying each letter

MXdN or MXDN = saying each letter

You can say all of the words = Motocross of Nations or if you’re a retro guy Motocross des Nations. 

However you CAN NOT pronounce it as M X ‘on’. You will sound as dumb as the people who say they “got 4th on the Holeshot”. Haven’t heard it in the past but I’ve heard it multiple times from callers on podcasts recently. I think it’s coming from people who just read everything they know instead of talking with others. 

Don’t sound dumb. Say it correctly.

mxaniac wrote:

If I'm feeling retro, do I also get to call the 250 class Trophée des Nations?

TheMilkman wrote:

Only if you hit people who call it M X ‘on’ with your cane before you correct them. Totally acceptable then.