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How do you say Holy Shit in French? I'm going to print what you just posted, frame it, and hang it on the wall of my shop. I'm sure everyone, including James Stewart feels more comfortable now that the FIM is on top of it.
I pulled a Stark in 80 hp mode on an uphill start for 40 ft. Last yr. Then he
sprayed me with clay , alpha & green grass. Lol
At this point, I’d like to see what the top guys can do on a Stark. I’m all for nostalgia, but the future is pretty dope. All it is…nostalgia. Let’s see how many 327s actually roll off the lot.
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But why a 150? Isn’t the 125 better for racing? That’s what MXA has said for years…
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0MA Automatic.
My dad got one of those and there is nothing instant about the power delivery there.
The 150 and 300 seems like it should be easy to add in the rules. I think a closer match would be about 175 for the 250 class.
The 300 is probably pretty close, but 325 or even 350 would make it interesting.
Personally, I like the idea of the 250 2t against a 350 4t as the big bike class.
Evidently there is, if you watched the race. Holeshots don't lie. OR everyone else was being nice and giving the Stark Boys a honest head start.
You do realize that that’s because of the electric engine and not due to a automatic clutch right?
I agree with you, on most of that. But, the problem is, the powers that be, don't want nor ever wanted competing engines. The only way, we can get anything is, going in knowing, they are setting the rules to keep the 4 strokes in front. Realistically, they could change to 200 and 350 4 strokes. But they don't want the 125 and 250 to be comparable.
The real question is, (as you mentioned, it should be an easy change to allow 150, 300) are the powers that be, scared that even a 150/300 are deadly to the precious 4 stroke 250/450? You'd think after 25 years, that would have been an easy change. Who cares if no oems make them, you can still set the rules, if no one's going to race them, like some say. I have yet to hear 1 real excuse to why that rule can't be put in place asap.
The only fair fight is 250 vs 250. It's been done in pro racing around the world. Will never be a thing at the ama level because PC , HRC, Star exc don't want a yz250 running with the high dollar factory bikes.
Yep this is the problem a built 250 smoker can be competitive against the factory bikes or close to it and they don't want that.My son has a 22 250sx built by Twisted the thing is an actual rocket ship and hard to ride fast for a long time he picked up a 26 Factory Edition 250 this year and had the motor completely done by Twisted it's insanely fast also lap times are comparable but the four stroke is just way easier to ride longer biggest difference is the 250Fe is $30,000 and the 250sx is only 15 after suspension and motor work and the 4-stroke maintenance is crazy. I have a 22 150sx also done by Twisted it has to be riden perfect to be within a few seconds of the four stroke it's still nowhere near it and you can't make a mistake but it is the funnest bike out of the three LOL
Someone should run an all-EB race, just so the fanboys can see how utterly dull and boring that would be.
You'll be able to sit in a stadium watching EB-SX, and listen to the poor bastard five rows behind you getting nagged and bitched at by his 300-pound sweat hog wife.
Or your own, for that matter.
People need to just stop trying to invent ways of handicapping ebikes to compete against ICE’s. Let them race in their own class, let them develop traction control/launch modes/whatever electric can imagine. When Honda and the others want attention, they can release their ebikes and battle away.
Can’t have silent bikes out there with gas bikes. Our peripheral vision is crap with helmets/googles and looking straight ahead down ruts. At least gas bikes you can radar position other riders to some degree
Tell the stark rider he may want to start facing forward next time.
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I think the real reason is that the manufacturers are all involved in the rule making process. And they don't want that rule in place in pro racing.
Am racing is a different thing. Pro racing exists as a sport, a marketing tool and entertainment, its many things. I think it is very likely as simple as that's what most of the brands want. There are rules allowing similar sized 2 strokes in AM racing all over the country. Pro racing rules are made with different thought behind them than the am rules.
I think that if there had never been the threat of the EPA killing off 2 strokes, that we would never have seen a rule with double the CC's. They were stuck with having to make the 4 strokes work. And at the time they felt the double cc was what was needed. They had to make it work or risk a big segment of sales go away. Had that never happened I doubt the rule would have been put in place. They had to go with a rule that wasn't going to result in worse bikes. Or like the race ATV market the racers would just keep the old model and keep rebuilding it and the aftermarket would have grown to support it as long as the law allowed it. They saw it happen with the ATV market. I think that there could have been a ban if most brands had not moved away from the 2 strokes. By not producing them, they very likely saved them. I've read articles that support my concepts , I just do not have the time to find and take accurate quotes from them.
Other than Kawasaki making a bike that would fit into making 300 or 327cc 2 strokes legal in 450 classes, I don't see a good reason. I think that if enough riders and manufacturers pushed for it, they would allow it. I think from a doing it for the fans point of view it makes sense. Everybody loves the sound.
I've shown it over and over. The EPA was never a real reason. The EPA can not and has never had any rules over offroad race only machines. That is a fact and was passed by Congress, back when the laws were passed for the EPA. It's just something that has kept the unknowing quiet and obedient.
It was always about the $. They thought they could use the same valves etc in dirt bikes. (Stated in the meeting) Remember the original CRFs soft valves. They didn't realize that dirtbikes run high rpms for longer time periods.
KMG team raises questions over Stark altitude advantage
Calgary elevation results in World Supercross parity concerns.
Konsky Motorsport Group (KMG) team owner Yarrive Konsky has raised questions over Stark Future’s advantage at altitude in Calgary’s World Supercross season-opener, concerned over parity across both the SX1 and SX2 categories.
With elevation a factor at McMahon Stadium – 1045 meters above sea level – traditional combustion-powered engines appeared at a power deficit due to the reduced oxygen on offer – something that wasn’t the case for the electric drivetrain powering the Stark Vargs.
“I was opposed to Stark Racing entering the championship because my concern was never about electric motorcycles – I actually think the technology has a place in racing,” explained Konsky. “My concern was always parity.
“If you are going to put two fundamentally different powertrains into the same championship, you have to understand how the conditions affect each of them and have a system in place to make sure neither technology is given an uncontrolled advantage.
“Altitude was a major factor in Calgary. A naturally aspirated combustion engine is fundamentally affected by reduced air density because there is less oxygen available for combustion. An electric motorcycle doesn’t have that same dependency on atmospheric oxygen.”
Konsky – whose KMG organization operates the US-based Quad Lock Honda team – flagged the FIM’s apparent oversight, given the extensive range of variables that could influence the performance differential between the two different types of machinery and, in turn, jeopardize the parity in WSX.
“We were told by the FIM official that altitude had not been considered in the parity assessment – for me, that is a significant concern,” Konsky continued. “If we’re going to have different technologies competing for the same championship, the governing body has to be ahead of these variables, not discovering them once we’re at the race.
“I don’t have an issue with electric motorcycles racing. I have an issue with putting different technologies on the same start line without properly establishing and controlling parity. That is about protecting the integrity of the championship for every manufacturer, every team and every rider.”
Stark displayed significant improvement in Canada compared to last year’s WSX series – claiming convincing holeshots in all but one of the evening’s races – with US revelation Michael Hicks claiming second overall in the SX2 category while teammate Brian Hsu also featured strongly throughout the round.
High-profile American Vince Friese finished fourth in SX1, while Spanish teammate Jorge Zaragoza captured sixth overall after claiming P2 in the second sprint. Series organizers have since moved to release an editorial explainer on the official World Supercross Championship website.
I agree. If the EPA was the reason, 2 strokes would have been banned outright by now. They just wanted to sell more parts and service. That's probably also why they are dragging their feet on electric, since it is a step even further away in moving parts to be maintained and repaired.
Yup, just think of air cleaner companies, exhaust, valves, pistons, etc etc. lot's of companies. EV would effect a lot of motocross companies.
Good thing is that the WSX technical rules allows FIM to adjust the maximum power that electrics can use whenever they want without any need for an explanation nor possibility to appeal.
So FIM could very well adjust max power for electrics depending on the altitude if they want to, it's completely doable with the current set of rules.
Do tame the Starks down a bit at altitude… but then also build the tracks without whoops, ICE for sure have a advantage in them! 😄
Adapt or die. 😎
id agree with this, i was always a 125/250f guy and finally gave 250 2t a chance when i came back from a long hiatus. after a number of months i went back to a 4 stroke. i rode better and with less mistakes and had more fun, i imagine if i had a star yamaha 250 with 50hp i would miss the 2 stroke less with the top end power gap closed
It's insane that they had a "carefully considered" two-stroke versus four-stroke set of rules, then they just let a completely different technology come into play. If this sport starts getting dominated by E-bikes because the riders have to do so to be competitive, I am completely out. Who wants to watch a bunch of Hoover vacuums riding around a SX track?
The RC industry has had 8 cell brushless motor packages with almost unlimited power for decades, but only a complete douche nozzle would show up to a track with it. Regardless, nitro and electric are separate classes just as this issue should be.
A grand master once said "Named must your fear be before banish it you can".
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