Is Lucas Coenen, at the moment, the fastest rider in history without a title?

He’s still 19.  While I understand your thought process, he has a long, long time to win titles and will get plenty of chances.  Yes him and his brother winning both titles and moving to the US would have been fairy tale like, but real life is weird and/or cruel sometimes.

No, he's got another 10 years to get a title. No stress 

and to win a title in future won't be easier , with the Lawrence brothers and Deegan up there for many years to come 

Bradshaw might have been the fastest rider on the planet at 19, at least in the top 5, he never won a major title. He beat everyone at Osaka when he was 16.

U mean just Lawrence brothers, let’s be real here

Bradshaw was my first thought as well but maybe it’s because he never won a major championship ever. 

Windham also, but I don’t know if he would have been considered quite that fast before he turned 20. 

Barnett never won his first title until he was 20, it's the "currently" in the statement that makes things confusing. There are maybe scores of hyperly fast riders that never won a title until into their twenties in moto history, plenty that never even won a title that had huge speed. And then there is the time perspective, for about a month Danny Chandler, was the fastest rider in the world, but before and after not so much.

We don’t count those as major championships, they’re regional championships. Each region has only ‘half’ of the top 125/250F riders competing in it. The Nationals are different because all of the top 125/250F riders are competing against each other. 

Adam Cianciarulo. Austin Forkner. Maybe Mike Alessi.

Not sure any of those are / were as fast as Lucas. Maybe in 250 days for AC / AF 

This thread is stupid. Marcello starts a topic asking a question, then acts like a dick and argues with everyone replying. Send this dumb ass thread to the dumbgeon

People may think the question is dumb, but so far no one has proven it to be wrong…….

So you say “currently” and “in history” in the same sentence. 🤔 

Tell me you love Lucas Coenen without telling me you love Lucas Coenen.

Why do you think Lucas is “way better” than AC? Did you not see AC’s rookie SX season with multiple wins? He hurt his shoulders and had a long way back to championship form, but was clearly a prodigy. Look at 2020 MX as well. First season on the big bikes and was winning right away. Forkner had similar potential and speed. In terms of outright speed, those guys had it too.

The thing is, if Lucas never wins a championship then you’ll look back on him as similar to these guys. If he seals the deal, then you’ll look at him as better. Chances are he wins something, probably the same way Chase Sexton has - when Jett wasn’t there. 

Come to think of it, I’d put Sexton and Cianciarulo in the same league, just one ended up dealing with chronic injuries.

Yeah but AC was better at 16 than Lucas was at that age. 

Febvre was something like 24 when he won his first title.

Everts and Cairoli were similar age as Coenen currently when they won their first title iirc. They were 23-24ish i think when they won the premier class (the old 250cc/mxgp)

The difference is that Coenen stepped up very early to the premier class. He missed the MX2 title by a few points in '24. It would have to be Herlings type of bad luck/injuries to happen for Coenen not to win an MX2 title last year or this year had he stayed in MX2.

 

In what discipline? SX? Yeah. Lucas didn't race SX yet, so completely nonsense to compare that. Lucas won motos and GPs at 16 in his rookie season though. You're probably ragebaiting comparing him to Forkner (who has one MX win in 11 years) and AC (who was a SX phenom, but not in MX until later). Lucas is more comparable to Kenny, Herlings, RV and Gajser.

Tim Gajser btw is still the youngest ever MXGP 450 rookie champion (2016, one week before his 20th birthday). Lucas had the chance to become the youngest ever MXGP champ last and this year, but obviously won't happen now

Ron Lechien won the Orlando SX in the premier class at 16 years old 

Marty Tripes won at 16

It is kind of a convaluted question with the currently and in history included. But through MX history, especially the 70s, there was a shit ton of really fast teenagers who never won titles. As well as fast riders who never won titles period. Medicine wasn't as refined then, one knee surgery and you may be done, bikes broke far more often, the travel was rougher. Marty Tripes comes to mind as someone fast as shit who never got a major title, and some of the Eastern bloc riders stuck on obsolete CZs like Jaroslav Falta and Zdenek Velky.

Ummmmm.....no...

As noted above, which is it?

Currently or in history?

For example: Jett and Hunter had won absolutely nothing when they left Europe for the US at age 16 and 19. Not even 1 GP. Look at them now.

Both Coenens have plenty of time.