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DonM wrote:

Well that's a hell of a word salad that unfortunatley didn't answer the simple question I asked....How do you know?....the posts below HTech made the comment...

Well that's a hell of a word salad that unfortunatley didn't answer the simple question I asked....How do you know?....the posts below HTech made the comment that MXSports already makes enough money and I asked you know this how? you responded with your statement so I asked the same question How do you know that MXSports revenues have risen more than their costs...unless you are part of MXSports or on their accounting team you have no idea whether any of that happened....and by the way I'm calling BS on the "it's not AI"....

8tensolutions wrote:

So what if it does?  If they earn revenue from it that is a good thing.

HondaTech25 wrote:

Because they already make enough on this week of racing. They're just going to run people off. 

DonM wrote:

You know this how?

Revenues have risen more than costs. 

TeamGreen wrote:

“Revenues have risen more than costs.”Over the last 5 years, our costs for energy, materials, shipping, insurance, employee travel/lodging/meals …vehicles…and just about any other expense have...

“Revenues have risen more than costs.”

Over the last 5 years, our costs for energy, materials, shipping, insurance, employee travel/lodging/meals …vehicles…and just about any other expense have gone up more than any other 5 year period since we began in 1991.

I find it very interesting that someone can make the claim that “Revenues have risen more than costs”. Honestly, statements like that ignore reality.

But, hey, I don’t want to interrupt this internet bitch-fest with facts. 🤣

DonM wrote:

Yeah someone that believes that has never owned or operated a business and has no ability to understand simple economics….I know in my world cost increases...

Yeah someone that believes that has never owned or operated a business and has no ability to understand simple economics….I know in my world cost increases have out paced revenue increases that’s for sure… 

TeamGreen wrote:

“Revenues have risen more than costs.”Over the last 5 years, our costs for energy, materials, shipping, insurance, employee travel/lodging/meals …vehicles…and just about any other expense have...

“Revenues have risen more than costs.”

Over the last 5 years, our costs for energy, materials, shipping, insurance, employee travel/lodging/meals …vehicles…and just about any other expense have gone up more than any other 5 year period since we began in 1991.

I find it very interesting that someone can make the claim that “Revenues have risen more than costs”. Honestly, statements like that ignore reality.

But, hey, I don’t want to interrupt this internet bitch-fest with facts. 🤣

DonM wrote:

Yeah someone that believes that has never owned or operated a business and has no ability to understand simple economics….I know in my world cost increases...

Yeah someone that believes that has never owned or operated a business and has no ability to understand simple economics….I know in my world cost increases have out paced revenue increases that’s for sure… 

Tyler D wrote:

You still haven't given an example of an analogous business. I'm sorry your Chinese goods are more expensive to white label or your labor is fatter...

You still haven't given an example of an analogous business. I'm sorry your Chinese goods are more expensive to white label or your labor is fatter than they used to be. 

What simple economics are being missed? I never said costs haven't increased and I can't help but notice that no one has claimed their fees haven't gone up precipitously nor have they pointed to DC making any claims about reducing margins for the sake of the sport. 

 

Achtualllyy maintaining a fixed margin would mathematically mean that top line increases more than bottom line. Ten percent of a larger number (gr) is inherently larger than that of a smaller number (costs). Isnt that simple economics? But again, if you think DC is a sucker and gave up margin for no reason then yeah, sure. I know 180solutions thinks he's the best bizness man ever, he'd agree with me this probably isn't happening. 

 

Barb's wrist brace makes it hard for her to type so good so we gotta charge ya $140 to git yer entry from the internets down onto our paper copy

 

LoudLove wrote:

Anyone familiar with the cost of broadcasting a live MX event?  Let’s forgo the CAPEX and focus on OPEX. 5-10 people over 5-7 days, lodging, food...

Anyone familiar with the cost of broadcasting a live MX event?  Let’s forgo the CAPEX and focus on OPEX. 5-10 people over 5-7 days, lodging, food, insurance, transportation rental, etc. Low end is, what, $10K? Not a king’s ransom but not peanuts, either. 

This issue isn’t charging, it’s the fee. Flo should produce a national-caliber product but not sure that’s what most LL viewers want.  Not sure what % of the $40 goes to MX Sports, but they apparently outsourced the event to Flo. In any case, 2026 is a trial with results TBD. 

ThreadKill wrote:

How many of those positions are filled from the Loretta’s “intern” program. Volunteer labor model.

JMR1976 wrote:

DC runs MX sports like a business man same as Trump or Musk run their businesses. Make as much money as possible. Why does everyone hate...

DC runs MX sports like a business man same as Trump or Musk run their businesses. Make as much money as possible. Why does everyone hate only DC?

JMR1976 wrote:

DC runs MX sports like a business man same as Trump or Musk run their businesses. Make as much money as possible. Why does everyone hate...

DC runs MX sports like a business man same as Trump or Musk run their businesses. Make as much money as possible. Why does everyone hate only DC?

Nathaniel129 wrote:

It's not all hate, but a large part is he pretends it's not about the money at all.He tends to hide behind "growing the sport" when...

It's not all hate, but a large part is he pretends it's not about the money at all.

He tends to hide behind "growing the sport" when he's just trying to grow his accounts. Which, as a business owner, is actually fine. Just own it.

Don't play the game of trying to make everything believe it's not all about the money.

TeamGreen wrote:

“Revenues have risen more than costs.”Over the last 5 years, our costs for energy, materials, shipping, insurance, employee travel/lodging/meals …vehicles…and just about any other expense have...

“Revenues have risen more than costs.”

Over the last 5 years, our costs for energy, materials, shipping, insurance, employee travel/lodging/meals …vehicles…and just about any other expense have gone up more than any other 5 year period since we began in 1991.

I find it very interesting that someone can make the claim that “Revenues have risen more than costs”. Honestly, statements like that ignore reality.

But, hey, I don’t want to interrupt this internet bitch-fest with facts. 🤣

DonM wrote:

Yeah someone that believes that has never owned or operated a business and has no ability to understand simple economics….I know in my world cost increases...

Yeah someone that believes that has never owned or operated a business and has no ability to understand simple economics….I know in my world cost increases have out paced revenue increases that’s for sure… 

Tyler D wrote:

You still haven't given an example of an analogous business. I'm sorry your Chinese goods are more expensive to white label or your labor is fatter...

You still haven't given an example of an analogous business. I'm sorry your Chinese goods are more expensive to white label or your labor is fatter than they used to be. 

What simple economics are being missed? I never said costs haven't increased and I can't help but notice that no one has claimed their fees haven't gone up precipitously nor have they pointed to DC making any claims about reducing margins for the sake of the sport. 

 

Achtualllyy maintaining a fixed margin would mathematically mean that top line increases more than bottom line. Ten percent of a larger number (gr) is inherently larger than that of a smaller number (costs). Isnt that simple economics? But again, if you think DC is a sucker and gave up margin for no reason then yeah, sure. I know 180solutions thinks he's the best bizness man ever, he'd agree with me this probably isn't happening. 

 

Barb's wrist brace makes it hard for her to type so good so we gotta charge ya $140 to git yer entry from the internets down onto our paper copy

 

Meister wrote:

After riding around the pits tonight, I can tell you there does not seem to be a shortage of cash (or good credit) at the big...

After riding around the pits tonight, I can tell you there does not seem to be a shortage of cash (or good credit) at the big show. People have been camped there for a week + for this. I pulled in today mid day and im damn near in the next county in lot 5. I guarantee you the people there paying 100 per device for wifi will be streaming the flo app in their rigs all week. Lol Place sure has changed since the last time I raced it 26 years ago. 

The real Sasquatch wrote:

MX sports has done a lot to grow  both PRo and Am MX in the US since they have been running it. Yah You could argue...

MX sports has done a lot to grow  both PRo and Am MX in the US since they have been running it. Yah You could argue that they are just incharge at the right time. But There are many race series that have died off  over the past 20 years too. So MX sports and the Coombs do deserve credit for helping grow the sport and bring in more exposure.  The added airtime of showing the qualifiers will give the racers that are on the bubble of making it a little bit more of a chance of being on the broadcast and getting some airtime for sponsors. And in return adding value to helping  kids go to the qualifiers . It may not be everybody all at once that benefits like that. 

 

  I do think that we will see a lot more support. The chance of AM moto becoming more of a spectator sport could also be big. If it was to become like college sports they could provide a lot more bang for the buck and at some point make it possible to make the entry fees not cost so much for racers that make it to the ranch.  No matter how or what the reason for SMX becoming a thing, Feld and MX sports were the ones that put that together.  And it is helping riders make a bunch more money. If the streaming contracts continue to grow, maybe they add more purse money to MX and SX too. 

 

 The thing is for a business to be able to help anybody, they need to make money and stay around. Nobody is perfect, and I'm not saying that MX sports or Feld are doing everything amazing. BUT they are the ones running the sport and have taken it to the highest levels its been as a spectator sport.  If Pro racing had to rely on bike sales and industry money alone  the purse money would be less and or riders contracts and bonuses would be less.  There are booms and busts' with bike sales and parts and gear. and up until very recently the sport wasn't making a ton of money for the people running it. 

 

 I ask everybody here, would You rather do what You love for a living and make just enough money to live, or do what You love and make good money doing it? Less of a chance of burnout , better chance the series survives when DC decides he's done. Its easier to sell a profitable company than one that provides "" love for the sport" alone.  If DC can make a lot of money doing what he loves,  AND help the sport grow its still a win.  Some things require funding before  new stuff can be implemented. So lets wait and see what this new funding brings before we decide its all going to DC's pockets. 

 

 Even if the profit increases, and margins stay the same. That would also mean that more was getting put back into the series if more money comes in, right?  Both things can be true. DC helping grow the sport  AND making good money.  Right?

 

 Now the way that Feld wants to control the media , thats a bad idea.  So maybe we could complain about that. If You guys think motomedia is biased or bad ,now, wait until it's all owned by Feld. It's not going to help things move towards what anybody who has ever complained about moto media has ever wanted. 

It takes away from the legitimacy of the sport. If They go to a monster truck like format of press coverage. and provide the footage and photos for all the  media that reports on SX, all the coverage will be so similar that it will be harder to stick out and do something different. Meaning that  all the podcasts and Youtube shows would feel very redundant. If everybody has the same interviews, videos, etc. You watch one of the Youtube or podcasts and Your done for the week until  race day. It allows the excitement to die off and  not stay on people's minds. All the filler content during the week is what helps keep moto on Your mind and helps build the excitement for the raceday. Trying to control stuff to that level doesn't seem to work out well. 

 Look at KTM and how they bullied dealers into building bigger shops, stopped allowing aftermarket parts that were not Powerparts.  and so on. Well now they realized that's not gonna work out. They need all that different stuff to help keep them going and relevant.  If control of the reporting is the only reason for what they want to do. I really hope they rethink and do not go that way.  I don't see many reasons for going to that model that would be beneficial  to the level of exposure they get  the way things are now. WIth all the ways of watching and learning about what's going on or went on.  I love how I can have something to listen to everyday. And have a choice of multiple sources and styles of coverage. I would hate to see it go away. 

Meister wrote:

After riding around the pits tonight, I can tell you there does not seem to be a shortage of cash (or good credit) at the big...

After riding around the pits tonight, I can tell you there does not seem to be a shortage of cash (or good credit) at the big show. People have been camped there for a week + for this. I pulled in today mid day and im damn near in the next county in lot 5. I guarantee you the people there paying 100 per device for wifi will be streaming the flo app in their rigs all week. Lol Place sure has changed since the last time I raced it 26 years ago. 

8tensolutions wrote:

This ^^^ is the answer to the whole thread.  Nothing else needs to be said.

Meister wrote:

After riding around the pits tonight, I can tell you there does not seem to be a shortage of cash (or good credit) at the big...

After riding around the pits tonight, I can tell you there does not seem to be a shortage of cash (or good credit) at the big show. People have been camped there for a week + for this. I pulled in today mid day and im damn near in the next county in lot 5. I guarantee you the people there paying 100 per device for wifi will be streaming the flo app in their rigs all week. Lol Place sure has changed since the last time I raced it 26 years ago. 

8tensolutions wrote:

This ^^^ is the answer to the whole thread.  Nothing else needs to be said.

Tyler D wrote:

If this were the standard in the 90s we never would have had a James and we never would have had a Ricky. Both were poor...

If this were the standard in the 90s we never would have had a James and we never would have had a Ricky. Both were poor kids with insane talent. You want to frame it more as a business than a sport, and that's fine, but it shows where your values lie. 

If the trend continues, we will deserve to lose to the Euros, as we continue to artificially restrict the effective talent pool for the enrichment of one family. 

Dan-The-Man wrote:

I used to watch every year. I’m bummed they went this route with Flo of all companies. We all remember the last Flo racing shit show...

I used to watch every year. I’m bummed they went this route with Flo of all companies. We all remember the last Flo racing shit show. Not only that but let’s be honest the free stream didn’t have the best camera setup. With them now charging $40 for the races, are they upgrading the cameras and viewing angles? If not, then that is a total joke.

The real Sasquatch wrote:

MX sports has done a lot to grow  both PRo and Am MX in the US since they have been running it. Yah You could argue...

MX sports has done a lot to grow  both PRo and Am MX in the US since they have been running it. Yah You could argue that they are just incharge at the right time. But There are many race series that have died off  over the past 20 years too. So MX sports and the Coombs do deserve credit for helping grow the sport and bring in more exposure.  The added airtime of showing the qualifiers will give the racers that are on the bubble of making it a little bit more of a chance of being on the broadcast and getting some airtime for sponsors. And in return adding value to helping  kids go to the qualifiers . It may not be everybody all at once that benefits like that. 

 

  I do think that we will see a lot more support. The chance of AM moto becoming more of a spectator sport could also be big. If it was to become like college sports they could provide a lot more bang for the buck and at some point make it possible to make the entry fees not cost so much for racers that make it to the ranch.  No matter how or what the reason for SMX becoming a thing, Feld and MX sports were the ones that put that together.  And it is helping riders make a bunch more money. If the streaming contracts continue to grow, maybe they add more purse money to MX and SX too. 

 

 The thing is for a business to be able to help anybody, they need to make money and stay around. Nobody is perfect, and I'm not saying that MX sports or Feld are doing everything amazing. BUT they are the ones running the sport and have taken it to the highest levels its been as a spectator sport.  If Pro racing had to rely on bike sales and industry money alone  the purse money would be less and or riders contracts and bonuses would be less.  There are booms and busts' with bike sales and parts and gear. and up until very recently the sport wasn't making a ton of money for the people running it. 

 

 I ask everybody here, would You rather do what You love for a living and make just enough money to live, or do what You love and make good money doing it? Less of a chance of burnout , better chance the series survives when DC decides he's done. Its easier to sell a profitable company than one that provides "" love for the sport" alone.  If DC can make a lot of money doing what he loves,  AND help the sport grow its still a win.  Some things require funding before  new stuff can be implemented. So lets wait and see what this new funding brings before we decide its all going to DC's pockets. 

 

 Even if the profit increases, and margins stay the same. That would also mean that more was getting put back into the series if more money comes in, right?  Both things can be true. DC helping grow the sport  AND making good money.  Right?

 

 Now the way that Feld wants to control the media , thats a bad idea.  So maybe we could complain about that. If You guys think motomedia is biased or bad ,now, wait until it's all owned by Feld. It's not going to help things move towards what anybody who has ever complained about moto media has ever wanted. 

It takes away from the legitimacy of the sport. If They go to a monster truck like format of press coverage. and provide the footage and photos for all the  media that reports on SX, all the coverage will be so similar that it will be harder to stick out and do something different. Meaning that  all the podcasts and Youtube shows would feel very redundant. If everybody has the same interviews, videos, etc. You watch one of the Youtube or podcasts and Your done for the week until  race day. It allows the excitement to die off and  not stay on people's minds. All the filler content during the week is what helps keep moto on Your mind and helps build the excitement for the raceday. Trying to control stuff to that level doesn't seem to work out well. 

 Look at KTM and how they bullied dealers into building bigger shops, stopped allowing aftermarket parts that were not Powerparts.  and so on. Well now they realized that's not gonna work out. They need all that different stuff to help keep them going and relevant.  If control of the reporting is the only reason for what they want to do. I really hope they rethink and do not go that way.  I don't see many reasons for going to that model that would be beneficial  to the level of exposure they get  the way things are now. WIth all the ways of watching and learning about what's going on or went on.  I love how I can have something to listen to everyday. And have a choice of multiple sources and styles of coverage. I would hate to see it go away. 

The real Sasquatch wrote:

MX sports has done a lot to grow  both PRo and Am MX in the US since they have been running it. Yah You could argue...

MX sports has done a lot to grow  both PRo and Am MX in the US since they have been running it. Yah You could argue that they are just incharge at the right time. But There are many race series that have died off  over the past 20 years too. So MX sports and the Coombs do deserve credit for helping grow the sport and bring in more exposure.  The added airtime of showing the qualifiers will give the racers that are on the bubble of making it a little bit more of a chance of being on the broadcast and getting some airtime for sponsors. And in return adding value to helping  kids go to the qualifiers . It may not be everybody all at once that benefits like that. 

 

  I do think that we will see a lot more support. The chance of AM moto becoming more of a spectator sport could also be big. If it was to become like college sports they could provide a lot more bang for the buck and at some point make it possible to make the entry fees not cost so much for racers that make it to the ranch.  No matter how or what the reason for SMX becoming a thing, Feld and MX sports were the ones that put that together.  And it is helping riders make a bunch more money. If the streaming contracts continue to grow, maybe they add more purse money to MX and SX too. 

 

 The thing is for a business to be able to help anybody, they need to make money and stay around. Nobody is perfect, and I'm not saying that MX sports or Feld are doing everything amazing. BUT they are the ones running the sport and have taken it to the highest levels its been as a spectator sport.  If Pro racing had to rely on bike sales and industry money alone  the purse money would be less and or riders contracts and bonuses would be less.  There are booms and busts' with bike sales and parts and gear. and up until very recently the sport wasn't making a ton of money for the people running it. 

 

 I ask everybody here, would You rather do what You love for a living and make just enough money to live, or do what You love and make good money doing it? Less of a chance of burnout , better chance the series survives when DC decides he's done. Its easier to sell a profitable company than one that provides "" love for the sport" alone.  If DC can make a lot of money doing what he loves,  AND help the sport grow its still a win.  Some things require funding before  new stuff can be implemented. So lets wait and see what this new funding brings before we decide its all going to DC's pockets. 

 

 Even if the profit increases, and margins stay the same. That would also mean that more was getting put back into the series if more money comes in, right?  Both things can be true. DC helping grow the sport  AND making good money.  Right?

 

 Now the way that Feld wants to control the media , thats a bad idea.  So maybe we could complain about that. If You guys think motomedia is biased or bad ,now, wait until it's all owned by Feld. It's not going to help things move towards what anybody who has ever complained about moto media has ever wanted. 

It takes away from the legitimacy of the sport. If They go to a monster truck like format of press coverage. and provide the footage and photos for all the  media that reports on SX, all the coverage will be so similar that it will be harder to stick out and do something different. Meaning that  all the podcasts and Youtube shows would feel very redundant. If everybody has the same interviews, videos, etc. You watch one of the Youtube or podcasts and Your done for the week until  race day. It allows the excitement to die off and  not stay on people's minds. All the filler content during the week is what helps keep moto on Your mind and helps build the excitement for the raceday. Trying to control stuff to that level doesn't seem to work out well. 

 Look at KTM and how they bullied dealers into building bigger shops, stopped allowing aftermarket parts that were not Powerparts.  and so on. Well now they realized that's not gonna work out. They need all that different stuff to help keep them going and relevant.  If control of the reporting is the only reason for what they want to do. I really hope they rethink and do not go that way.  I don't see many reasons for going to that model that would be beneficial  to the level of exposure they get  the way things are now. WIth all the ways of watching and learning about what's going on or went on.  I love how I can have something to listen to everyday. And have a choice of multiple sources and styles of coverage. I would hate to see it go away. 

dadofagun wrote:

I truly understand what point you are trying to make, I sincerely do.  But what boils my O+ is when Cotter and Crew asks me to...

I truly understand what point you are trying to make, I sincerely do.  But what boils my O+ is when Cotter and Crew asks me to come work their event, 12 hour plus days, all knowing what I do for a living, and  asking me to do said work at their event.....for 100 bucks a day, with no place to sleep provided, nor meals.  "It's not much pay Bub, but it's for the love of the sport!"    Willing to bet the entire farm, and your house cat, his ass isn't making poverty pay while he is on the job at the ranch.  That piss poor excuse to get slave labor there PROVES greed to me, and nobody will ever convince me otherwise.  So yes, I will never have an ounce of regret being negative towards the MX Sports clan.  They have taken an honest, family fun sport the working class family could take part in, and turned it into something that the have nots can now call a pipe dream.  But one important thing to remember......  It is simply another amateur MX event hyped up to better your life if you participate, AKA cash grab.

BTW,,,,  If you would like to watch this God attended event from home, it will NOW cost you a subscription plan from here forward, as we no longer can provide the prior free service for all our race fans.  But no need to get upset about the cost, because it is all "For the love of the sport."  Thank you for understanding.

KISS MY ENTIRE ASS.

 

Hammer 663s wrote:

This was def the case at Washougal. It was packed - the biggest crowd I've ever seen there - and there was no good place to...

This was def the case at Washougal. It was packed - the biggest crowd I've ever seen there - and there was no good place to watch from. Granted, even on an empty day there's no single place where you can see even half the track, but with the new 8-foot chain link everywhere that blocks your view, the fence lines being moved 10 feet farther away from the track, and the VIP sections taking the best spots, it may have been the last Washougal I go see in person. I usually move around a lot on race day, but that was a waste of time this year with all the impeded views. 

One positive is that they eliminated all the VIP platforms that lined the whoop section a few years back and left that open to the GA fans. But the chain link, hay bales, and distance from the track made it less than optimal. Most people there were watching the huge screen they had mounted in the trees so they could see what was happening. Depressing as a spectator even given the awesome weather and fantastic track conditions.

I snuck into the Fly VIP tent (on the corner after the Chuck Sun jump) at the end of 450 moto 1 and frankly, the view there wasn't great either. 

NicNak wrote:

Hundreds of millions lmaooooooo this is beyond out of hand. Racer x just lost a ton of credibility with that statement alone. 

Dirtysmile56 wrote:

And NO on Flo for me. Matty B will take care of us!!! 

truck wrote:

So who's actually paying to watch? Someone start a poll.... I'm not. Few dollars or ad supported version, sure.... Like most, in past years I've had it...

So who's actually paying to watch? Someone start a poll.... I'm not. Few dollars or ad supported version, sure.... 

Like most, in past years I've had it on in the background or turned on a few hyped up races, but I'll be fine without it and I'm not about to pay this much. 

I think they made a big mistake going this route and I'm betting very few people not already subscribed to flo get it just for LL. 

Burkeen and others will be shut down before the end of the week as soon as people on the flo side figure it out. 

dog_lover_136 wrote:

Count me out as well, i’ll be looking at results/live timing/matty b’s videos.

Count me out as well, i’ll be looking at results/live timing/matty b’s videos.

The real Sasquatch wrote:

MX sports has done a lot to grow  both PRo and Am MX in the US since they have been running it. Yah You could argue...

MX sports has done a lot to grow  both PRo and Am MX in the US since they have been running it. Yah You could argue that they are just incharge at the right time. But There are many race series that have died off  over the past 20 years too. So MX sports and the Coombs do deserve credit for helping grow the sport and bring in more exposure.  The added airtime of showing the qualifiers will give the racers that are on the bubble of making it a little bit more of a chance of being on the broadcast and getting some airtime for sponsors. And in return adding value to helping  kids go to the qualifiers . It may not be everybody all at once that benefits like that. 

 

  I do think that we will see a lot more support. The chance of AM moto becoming more of a spectator sport could also be big. If it was to become like college sports they could provide a lot more bang for the buck and at some point make it possible to make the entry fees not cost so much for racers that make it to the ranch.  No matter how or what the reason for SMX becoming a thing, Feld and MX sports were the ones that put that together.  And it is helping riders make a bunch more money. If the streaming contracts continue to grow, maybe they add more purse money to MX and SX too. 

 

 The thing is for a business to be able to help anybody, they need to make money and stay around. Nobody is perfect, and I'm not saying that MX sports or Feld are doing everything amazing. BUT they are the ones running the sport and have taken it to the highest levels its been as a spectator sport.  If Pro racing had to rely on bike sales and industry money alone  the purse money would be less and or riders contracts and bonuses would be less.  There are booms and busts' with bike sales and parts and gear. and up until very recently the sport wasn't making a ton of money for the people running it. 

 

 I ask everybody here, would You rather do what You love for a living and make just enough money to live, or do what You love and make good money doing it? Less of a chance of burnout , better chance the series survives when DC decides he's done. Its easier to sell a profitable company than one that provides "" love for the sport" alone.  If DC can make a lot of money doing what he loves,  AND help the sport grow its still a win.  Some things require funding before  new stuff can be implemented. So lets wait and see what this new funding brings before we decide its all going to DC's pockets. 

 

 Even if the profit increases, and margins stay the same. That would also mean that more was getting put back into the series if more money comes in, right?  Both things can be true. DC helping grow the sport  AND making good money.  Right?

 

 Now the way that Feld wants to control the media , thats a bad idea.  So maybe we could complain about that. If You guys think motomedia is biased or bad ,now, wait until it's all owned by Feld. It's not going to help things move towards what anybody who has ever complained about moto media has ever wanted. 

It takes away from the legitimacy of the sport. If They go to a monster truck like format of press coverage. and provide the footage and photos for all the  media that reports on SX, all the coverage will be so similar that it will be harder to stick out and do something different. Meaning that  all the podcasts and Youtube shows would feel very redundant. If everybody has the same interviews, videos, etc. You watch one of the Youtube or podcasts and Your done for the week until  race day. It allows the excitement to die off and  not stay on people's minds. All the filler content during the week is what helps keep moto on Your mind and helps build the excitement for the raceday. Trying to control stuff to that level doesn't seem to work out well. 

 Look at KTM and how they bullied dealers into building bigger shops, stopped allowing aftermarket parts that were not Powerparts.  and so on. Well now they realized that's not gonna work out. They need all that different stuff to help keep them going and relevant.  If control of the reporting is the only reason for what they want to do. I really hope they rethink and do not go that way.  I don't see many reasons for going to that model that would be beneficial  to the level of exposure they get  the way things are now. WIth all the ways of watching and learning about what's going on or went on.  I love how I can have something to listen to everyday. And have a choice of multiple sources and styles of coverage. I would hate to see it go away. 

The real Sasquatch wrote:

MX sports has done a lot to grow  both PRo and Am MX in the US since they have been running it. Yah You could argue...

MX sports has done a lot to grow  both PRo and Am MX in the US since they have been running it. Yah You could argue that they are just incharge at the right time. But There are many race series that have died off  over the past 20 years too. So MX sports and the Coombs do deserve credit for helping grow the sport and bring in more exposure.  The added airtime of showing the qualifiers will give the racers that are on the bubble of making it a little bit more of a chance of being on the broadcast and getting some airtime for sponsors. And in return adding value to helping  kids go to the qualifiers . It may not be everybody all at once that benefits like that. 

 

  I do think that we will see a lot more support. The chance of AM moto becoming more of a spectator sport could also be big. If it was to become like college sports they could provide a lot more bang for the buck and at some point make it possible to make the entry fees not cost so much for racers that make it to the ranch.  No matter how or what the reason for SMX becoming a thing, Feld and MX sports were the ones that put that together.  And it is helping riders make a bunch more money. If the streaming contracts continue to grow, maybe they add more purse money to MX and SX too. 

 

 The thing is for a business to be able to help anybody, they need to make money and stay around. Nobody is perfect, and I'm not saying that MX sports or Feld are doing everything amazing. BUT they are the ones running the sport and have taken it to the highest levels its been as a spectator sport.  If Pro racing had to rely on bike sales and industry money alone  the purse money would be less and or riders contracts and bonuses would be less.  There are booms and busts' with bike sales and parts and gear. and up until very recently the sport wasn't making a ton of money for the people running it. 

 

 I ask everybody here, would You rather do what You love for a living and make just enough money to live, or do what You love and make good money doing it? Less of a chance of burnout , better chance the series survives when DC decides he's done. Its easier to sell a profitable company than one that provides "" love for the sport" alone.  If DC can make a lot of money doing what he loves,  AND help the sport grow its still a win.  Some things require funding before  new stuff can be implemented. So lets wait and see what this new funding brings before we decide its all going to DC's pockets. 

 

 Even if the profit increases, and margins stay the same. That would also mean that more was getting put back into the series if more money comes in, right?  Both things can be true. DC helping grow the sport  AND making good money.  Right?

 

 Now the way that Feld wants to control the media , thats a bad idea.  So maybe we could complain about that. If You guys think motomedia is biased or bad ,now, wait until it's all owned by Feld. It's not going to help things move towards what anybody who has ever complained about moto media has ever wanted. 

It takes away from the legitimacy of the sport. If They go to a monster truck like format of press coverage. and provide the footage and photos for all the  media that reports on SX, all the coverage will be so similar that it will be harder to stick out and do something different. Meaning that  all the podcasts and Youtube shows would feel very redundant. If everybody has the same interviews, videos, etc. You watch one of the Youtube or podcasts and Your done for the week until  race day. It allows the excitement to die off and  not stay on people's minds. All the filler content during the week is what helps keep moto on Your mind and helps build the excitement for the raceday. Trying to control stuff to that level doesn't seem to work out well. 

 Look at KTM and how they bullied dealers into building bigger shops, stopped allowing aftermarket parts that were not Powerparts.  and so on. Well now they realized that's not gonna work out. They need all that different stuff to help keep them going and relevant.  If control of the reporting is the only reason for what they want to do. I really hope they rethink and do not go that way.  I don't see many reasons for going to that model that would be beneficial  to the level of exposure they get  the way things are now. WIth all the ways of watching and learning about what's going on or went on.  I love how I can have something to listen to everyday. And have a choice of multiple sources and styles of coverage. I would hate to see it go away. 

30minmotos wrote:

They are directly complicit in the absolute retarded double displacement rules for the 4 strokes and haven’t done a thing to make it fair/They are directly...

They are directly complicit in the absolute retarded double displacement rules for the 4 strokes and haven’t done a thing to make it fair/

They are directly complicit in the 4 lap moto, 770 classes per day, sand bag fest known as amateur Mx.

They are good  organizers  but maybe besides only growing the profits, they could do some improving? Make amateur motocross worth showing up for? Make tracks safer? Make riding and racing better for all of us.

Nah just bleed the community dry.

Sick.

By the way wheres your bicycle weekend pass, and your mechanic pass, and your parking pass, and your gate pass, and your entry fee, and your class fees for the 17 classes you’ll have to sign up for to get an hour of track time between all of them.