Kove MX 450

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7/15/2026 2:26pm

Interesting...  That one is supposed to be in MX2 next year?  Or maybe EMX250?

Either way, I think they chose a color too close to Yamaha blue in my opinion.

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7/15/2026 2:41pm
Paul333 wrote:

Hint: Never buy a dirt bike built in a country you can poop in the street....

Like Bajaj, formerly known as KTM. 🤣

I was a life-long KTM fanboy until 2019 when they outsourced to India and China. Now it's krr-ap lad. 

Beta is it for now, until they get too big. Or Honda or Yamaha of course. 

BTW, I did a deep dive.... did y'all know that Hardly-Abelsons are also Chinese and Indian now? SOME parts are imported to Milwaukee and assembled and sold as "Made in America". Look it up. 

 

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7/15/2026 2:49pm

Big Honda knock off

Not worth real bike money for China bike quality 

Is the engine a Unicam like the Honda?

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7/15/2026 2:54pm

Big Honda knock off

Not worth real bike money for China bike quality 

Is the engine a Unicam like the Honda?

Yes.

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you could continue many lines of attack on China..."from a country that doesn't spy on thier citizens"See, Bush, see Trump, see tech oligarchy now THE government."From...

you could continue many lines of attack on China...

"from a country that doesn't spy on thier citizens"
See, Bush, see Trump, see tech oligarchy now THE government.

"From a country that doesn't suppress it population"
ICE murdering people in the street and exporting citizens to countries they've never been.

"from a country that doesn't abuse human rights"
See USA detention centre, hiding deaths in them, and deporting people to human rights violating prisons...

"From a country that doesn't infringe copyright"
See Amazon, stealing designs to sell 'amazon basics' and Trump decapitating the department to enforce it... State sanctioned IP theft.

you could just go on and on and on... But when facts hurt people feelings their only coming 'urrr durr yurrr gurrrttt TurDureSs'
 

You sheep molesters best bow and scrape to China since you'll soon be China South. Halfway there now. Hope you enjoy a bug and scorpion diet, mate. 🤣

How many of the China fluffers around here have actually been to China, I wonder? Or seen their "Belt and Road" or WTF they call it, UP CLOSE over a period of time? Perfect example of Chinee SHIT technology.  

China is a 3rd world pisshole with money, is all. Scratch below the shiny surface and it's crap underneath. Their food is absolutely HORRIBLE, for one. It ain't sweet-and-sour chicken or Kung Pao or fohtuun cookies, Bruce! . 

Insitutional industrial knowledge and capability takes centuries to develop, not 40 years. China was medieval until Nixon and Clinton gave them America's industries. And Pierer gave them KTM's tooling. 

Go see for yourself before you pop off about how great it is.. 

Has anyone checked out Chinee bike parts availablity?     

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7/15/2026 3:18pm

Big Honda knock off

Not worth real bike money for China bike quality 

Is the engine a Unicam like the Honda?

Yes.

No kidding, then Honda Tech25 is correct. I would have thought that Honda would have had a patent on their engine design. 

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7/15/2026 3:22pm
ATKpilot99 wrote:
The ZXmoto 250 will be around $4500

The ZXmoto 250 will be around $4500 1000003187 0.jpg?VersionId=x2D2nB

Giving me 1996 YZ vibes for sure!

7/15/2026 3:57pm

Is the engine a Unicam like the Honda?

Yes.

No kidding, then Honda Tech25 is correct. I would have thought that Honda would have had a patent on their engine design. 

No. Not a direct copy, at all. But it does have the same cam configuration.

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7/15/2026 4:11pm
Spurdo wrote:

Peter Egan (Cycle World, Road And Track magazines) called the earliest Honda motorcycles BSA clones. Do with that what you'd like. 

Back in the day, Suzuki and Yamaha incorporated elements of CZ and Husqvarna designs too.  And that was when "Made in Japan" was a phrase that was not a compliment.  Back then even my "Made in Japan" plastic army men were shitty quality.  hen came Deming

 

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7/15/2026 4:13pm

Big Honda knock off

Not worth real bike money for China bike quality 

All mx bikes are a knock off each other.

There are different grades of Chinese a quality.

Everyone made that statement when the Japenese bikes first arrived.

Dave v3.0 wrote:
The Japanese weren't trying to undermine the American economy back then and Dr. Deming, an American, fixed their quality issues.  So much so that their highest...

The Japanese weren't trying to undermine the American economy back then and Dr. Deming, an American, fixed their quality issues.  So much so that their highest award for quality is named after him. The Chinese wouldn't know Kaizen if it hit them in the face.

Exactly right.  Plus we help rebuild Japan's infrastructure.  
 

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7/15/2026 4:14pm
you could continue many lines of attack on China..."from a country that doesn't spy on thier citizens"See, Bush, see Trump, see tech oligarchy now THE government."From...

you could continue many lines of attack on China...

"from a country that doesn't spy on thier citizens"
See, Bush, see Trump, see tech oligarchy now THE government.

"From a country that doesn't suppress it population"
ICE murdering people in the street and exporting citizens to countries they've never been.

"from a country that doesn't abuse human rights"
See USA detention centre, hiding deaths in them, and deporting people to human rights violating prisons...

"From a country that doesn't infringe copyright"
See Amazon, stealing designs to sell 'amazon basics' and Trump decapitating the department to enforce it... State sanctioned IP theft.

you could just go on and on and on... But when facts hurt people feelings their only coming 'urrr durr yurrr gurrrttt TurDureSs'
 

We just need to grateful that poor Biden is out and Kamala hit the gate. 
In a couple years we get someone new that hopefully will do good things for America. 😊

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7/15/2026 4:16pm
Jabe wrote:
what I mean is throughout history (lets say 1980-today) every one of those manufacturers had developed unique features which they brought to the consumer level through...

what I mean is throughout history (lets say 1980-today) every one of those manufacturers had developed unique features which they brought to the consumer level through RnD and one off factory bikes (this is obviously only applicable to the big japanese 4 and KTM). Here is a very short list from the top of my head, the internet and probably contains some errors:


- suzuki: full floater, first EFI in a 450 (not totally sure)
- honda: productionised alloy frame, CNC machined swingarm parts, electronic exhaust valve (2t)
- yamaha: 5 valve fourstroke, reverse engine design
- Kawasaki: honestly here I am lost, dont know what tech or features they introduced first;exhaust valve on a 500; maybe perimeter frame from 90
- KTM: standard hydrolic clutch, e-start, OEM "works parts" available for the public (SXS), t-clamp offset changable from the factory
- Ducati: nothing in MX, but the desmo valve train, extensive RnD for their superbikes and motogp bikes
- Triumph: nothing in MX, they develop and supply engines for moto 2

what I am trying to say is, every one of those manufacturers had to (and still do) go through a long phase of advancing their motorcycle technology through decades, at least in my opinion.

where does Kove fit in that? genuine question

Kaw was first with front disc, and first with rear disc.

They were also the first with a production single shock LINKAGE rear suspension.  It was crap, but they were first dammit.🤣

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You sheep molesters best bow and scrape to China since you'll soon be China South. Halfway there now. Hope you enjoy a bug and scorpion diet...

You sheep molesters best bow and scrape to China since you'll soon be China South. Halfway there now. Hope you enjoy a bug and scorpion diet, mate. 🤣

How many of the China fluffers around here have actually been to China, I wonder? Or seen their "Belt and Road" or WTF they call it, UP CLOSE over a period of time? Perfect example of Chinee SHIT technology.  

China is a 3rd world pisshole with money, is all. Scratch below the shiny surface and it's crap underneath. Their food is absolutely HORRIBLE, for one. It ain't sweet-and-sour chicken or Kung Pao or fohtuun cookies, Bruce! . 

Insitutional industrial knowledge and capability takes centuries to develop, not 40 years. China was medieval until Nixon and Clinton gave them America's industries. And Pierer gave them KTM's tooling. 

Go see for yourself before you pop off about how great it is.. 

Has anyone checked out Chinee bike parts availablity?     

I have to spend a few weeks in Taiwan coming up. Now Im freaked out about the food.  🤷🏿‍♂️

7/15/2026 4:22pm
You sheep molesters best bow and scrape to China since you'll soon be China South. Halfway there now. Hope you enjoy a bug and scorpion diet...

You sheep molesters best bow and scrape to China since you'll soon be China South. Halfway there now. Hope you enjoy a bug and scorpion diet, mate. 🤣

How many of the China fluffers around here have actually been to China, I wonder? Or seen their "Belt and Road" or WTF they call it, UP CLOSE over a period of time? Perfect example of Chinee SHIT technology.  

China is a 3rd world pisshole with money, is all. Scratch below the shiny surface and it's crap underneath. Their food is absolutely HORRIBLE, for one. It ain't sweet-and-sour chicken or Kung Pao or fohtuun cookies, Bruce! . 

Insitutional industrial knowledge and capability takes centuries to develop, not 40 years. China was medieval until Nixon and Clinton gave them America's industries. And Pierer gave them KTM's tooling. 

Go see for yourself before you pop off about how great it is.. 

Has anyone checked out Chinee bike parts availablity?     

yardsailor wrote:

I have to spend a few weeks in Taiwan coming up. Now Im freaked out about the food.  🤷🏿‍♂️

Food in Taiwan is amazing. Some of the best in the world.

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You sheep molesters best bow and scrape to China since you'll soon be China South. Halfway there now. Hope you enjoy a bug and scorpion diet...

You sheep molesters best bow and scrape to China since you'll soon be China South. Halfway there now. Hope you enjoy a bug and scorpion diet, mate. 🤣

How many of the China fluffers around here have actually been to China, I wonder? Or seen their "Belt and Road" or WTF they call it, UP CLOSE over a period of time? Perfect example of Chinee SHIT technology.  

China is a 3rd world pisshole with money, is all. Scratch below the shiny surface and it's crap underneath. Their food is absolutely HORRIBLE, for one. It ain't sweet-and-sour chicken or Kung Pao or fohtuun cookies, Bruce! . 

Insitutional industrial knowledge and capability takes centuries to develop, not 40 years. China was medieval until Nixon and Clinton gave them America's industries. And Pierer gave them KTM's tooling. 

Go see for yourself before you pop off about how great it is.. 

Has anyone checked out Chinee bike parts availablity?     

yardsailor wrote:

I have to spend a few weeks in Taiwan coming up. Now Im freaked out about the food.  🤷🏿‍♂️

Taiwan is an entirely different country than mainland china. 

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You sheep molesters best bow and scrape to China since you'll soon be China South. Halfway there now. Hope you enjoy a bug and scorpion diet...

You sheep molesters best bow and scrape to China since you'll soon be China South. Halfway there now. Hope you enjoy a bug and scorpion diet, mate. 🤣

How many of the China fluffers around here have actually been to China, I wonder? Or seen their "Belt and Road" or WTF they call it, UP CLOSE over a period of time? Perfect example of Chinee SHIT technology.  

China is a 3rd world pisshole with money, is all. Scratch below the shiny surface and it's crap underneath. Their food is absolutely HORRIBLE, for one. It ain't sweet-and-sour chicken or Kung Pao or fohtuun cookies, Bruce! . 

Insitutional industrial knowledge and capability takes centuries to develop, not 40 years. China was medieval until Nixon and Clinton gave them America's industries. And Pierer gave them KTM's tooling. 

Go see for yourself before you pop off about how great it is.. 

Has anyone checked out Chinee bike parts availablity?     

yardsailor wrote:

I have to spend a few weeks in Taiwan coming up. Now Im freaked out about the food.  🤷🏿‍♂️

Pop Shmoke wrote:

Taiwan is an entirely different country than mainland china. 

Tell that to Xi Jinping. Preferably before WW3.

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7/15/2026 4:59pm Edited Date/Time 7/15/2026 5:17pm

Is the engine a Unicam like the Honda?

Yes.

No kidding, then Honda Tech25 is correct. I would have thought that Honda would have had a patent on their engine design. 

Cam chain is on the right side. The 250 has the chain on the right but every 450 until next year was on the left.

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Yes.

No kidding, then Honda Tech25 is correct. I would have thought that Honda would have had a patent on their engine design. 

OldTech wrote:

Cam chain is on the right side. The 250 has the chain on the right but every 450 until next year was on the left.

Interesting 🤔 

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Interesting 🤔 

IF they actually copied something, this bottom end has the balancer in front of the crank, the starter drive jives and the chain on the right. The proportions look close but they must have made their own unicam head.  Possibly 2293

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7/15/2026 6:26pm

Interesting 🤔 

OldTech wrote:
IF they actually copied something, this bottom end has the balancer in front of the crank, the starter drive jives and the chain on the right...

IF they actually copied something, this bottom end has the balancer in front of the crank, the starter drive jives and the chain on the right. The proportions look close but they must have made their own unicam head.  Possibly 2293

I found the service manual for it if You wanna look at it. They have the 250 manual too. I looked quick and see some Honda and KTM influence sprinkled throughout the bike. And funny thing I noticed on their website they have photos of the 450 and in the background is a 2017 ish CRF. 

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Link to all manuals

 https://www.kovemotousa.com/downloads

 

That is a direct link to the 450 manual

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/645001d75ffea600703d8d92/t/693c7…

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7/15/2026 6:36pm

I also noticed they have a page that shows some past offers and any current ones. They  have had financing deals with lower rates,  $500 rebates, and have knocked $3K off one of their rally bikes when they had leftovers. Notice the date of the offer is August of 2024

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I made a more CRF like shroud  for it.  I bet that if these bikes sell well that one of the aftermarket plastic companies will sell a restyled shroud for it. And I'm sure it they took more than 30 minutes to design one they could come up with something more unique that looks good with the rest of the bikes lines.   Just changing the lines of the shroud up make it look better in my opinion.  I know it could be fine-tuned and improved. I honestly was just curious what it would look like with a tweak here and there and just made this up to satisfy my self for now.

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Interesting 🤔 

OldTech wrote:
IF they actually copied something, this bottom end has the balancer in front of the crank, the starter drive jives and the chain on the right...

IF they actually copied something, this bottom end has the balancer in front of the crank, the starter drive jives and the chain on the right. The proportions look close but they must have made their own unicam head.  Possibly 2293

I found the service manual for it if You wanna look at it. They have the 250 manual too. I looked quick and see some Honda...

I found the service manual for it if You wanna look at it. They have the 250 manual too. I looked quick and see some Honda and KTM influence sprinkled throughout the bike. And funny thing I noticed on their website they have photos of the 450 and in the background is a 2017 ish CRF. 

image 3406image 3398.png?VersionId=4dEEEEX7jihXgx8

Link to all manuals

 https://www.kovemotousa.com/downloads

 

That is a direct link to the 450 manual

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/645001d75ffea600703d8d92/t/693c7…

Wow thanks! They got about everybody on that thing, even Magura. 

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