96 + 18, what about their technique makes them so smooth and fast?

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VetRider97 wrote:

Big part is the competition they have with each since kids and other advantage is they push each other and sharing skills and knowledge

while i agree, id like to question why we haven't seen more siblings like this? 
other than Sacha and Lucas who are on the rise..

If we go back, we have seen siblings come through the sport... 
But why haven't we seen more dominant duos in the past due to what you said? They spent time apart training in different areas as Juniors in Europe at times. There's a big enough age gap between Jett and Hunter that we have seen siblings closer in age before. 

I just think of all the brothers who have come through like T&W Hahn, Alessi's, Hill Bro's, Stewarts, Christophe and Sebastien Pourcel and so many more (including in the 70's). But it just makes you wonder what the secret formular is.. Maybe Dazzy's got some tricks up his sleeve 


 

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They remind me of Tomac, how they both have a really good base setup to the bike and they let the bike do a lot of the work. They always seem to be in an attack position, but even when they get bounced around, they have really good balance and they're able to attack. I think their biggest strength is that they're able to identify the single fastest way around the WHOLE track, and they won't prioritize being crazy fast in one section if it makes them slower in the next section. They carry tons of mid corner speed, and they don't rely on crazy acceleration to make obstacles, or super hard braking to hit certain lines so they stay very consistent from one lap to the next.

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Slow in, fast out. 

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It’s a combination of 20 things.  Neutrality on the bike, foot placement, head forward, roll speed and throttle control, ability to process at high speed, reaction...

It’s a combination of 20 things.  

Neutrality on the bike, foot placement, head forward, roll speed and throttle control, ability to process at high speed, reaction time, fitness and overall confidence.


Extremely dialed in fundamentals.

This.

We used to call it, staying quiet on the bike.

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The Shop

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It starts with setup, both are able to run a softer bike, which transfers to a more balanced, stable bike, with better traction. Most US guys set their bikes up stiff because of supercross and still run a stiff setup compared to GP based riders. US based riders are taught to brake into turns as late as possible, slam on the brakes, and square up the turn. They brake early and smoothly accelerate into ruts and carry higher mid-corner and exit speeds with smooth throttle control down the straight. They sit tall and central on the bike, which keeps their weight centered. US riders arch their backs, and hang off the back, or are way over the bars. 

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30minmotos wrote:

Our amateur racing is a joke. 4 lap sand bagging conventions don’t work.

But the “admit one” 2$ cardboard plate is priceless on your fakebook post😂🤡

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3strokemx wrote:

As amateurs, they have a races where they get to ride for more than 10 minutes

Not here in Australia, unless your A grade and a big event, its 10 maybe 15 mins.

Grade A is still Amateur, right?

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The Moth wrote:
Greg Moss taught them the fundamentals; technique, balance points, etc. and that’s what they always revert back to. No coincidence that Greg also worked with Cole...

Greg Moss taught them the fundamentals; technique, balance points, etc. and that’s what they always revert back to. No coincidence that Greg also worked with Cole Davies. 

Is that the dad of the Moss guys that got busted for doping?

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Anyone else think Hunter looks a bit like Reed on the bike? Cant put my finger on it, but I get glimpses of 2011 Reed when I watch him

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I can't believe anyone hasn't mentioned the use of ANY bump to clear rough parts of the track.

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With a lot of the stuff that was already mentioned I think a lot of what helps them is you have the top two guys riding the same bike so that's a good amount of comparison data and they ride together. That iron sharpens iron kinda thing.  

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I suspect a big part of it is recognizing and being able to communicate what a bike is doing to the suspension and engine techs to...

I suspect a big part of it is recognizing and being able to communicate what a bike is doing to the suspension and engine techs to get the bike to do what they want it to.  Not all riders are good at that.  

Case in point: Chase. I suspect a lot of his issues are not being able to accurately relay what is going on with the bike.

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Noone has mentioned JohnnyO. I think he is making a much bigger impact than people realize.

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It starts with setup, both are able to run a softer bike, which transfers to a more balanced, stable bike, with better traction. Most US guys...

It starts with setup, both are able to run a softer bike, which transfers to a more balanced, stable bike, with better traction. Most US guys set their bikes up stiff because of supercross and still run a stiff setup compared to GP based riders. US based riders are taught to brake into turns as late as possible, slam on the brakes, and square up the turn. They brake early and smoothly accelerate into ruts and carry higher mid-corner and exit speeds with smooth throttle control down the straight. They sit tall and central on the bike, which keeps their weight centered. US riders arch their backs, and hang off the back, or are way over the bars. 

Cairolis KTM 450 was basically using the same setup US riders are using for SX for the forks. Ultrastiff.

Mosiman has a video on it from him test riding Cairolis bike.

It varies, based on rider preference. Lawrence's are very precise so maybe they can run a softer setup in general but I don't think this is a general MXGP vs AMA setup thing anymore. 

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