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Why do the major manufacturers continue to ignore what would be the best-selling dirt bike in world, the 125 cc smoker?
Compared to the thumpers, costs little to produce.
Perfect transition machine out of the mini class. Affordable. The environmentalists can go to hell. If you must, don't produce big bore smokers, but please bring back the 125's.
I don't disagree, but they could spend the next 3 years on R&D and still not really improve on a 2006 YZ125.
It's tenths of a percent at this point.
I'd say the major manufacturers do not ignore the 125 2-stroke. They have simply done the math and realized they cannot make a dent in the sales figures they would need to produce one. Yamaha, KTM, (Husqvarna, GasGas?,) all offer one already, and the value proposition is a hard case to make.
Yamaha isn't a "major manufacturer?"
Plenty of 125”s available….nothing to do with environmentals….its about selling you more expensive bikes, parts & labor…..the National program needs to work in a 125 & 250 2T feeder program, thats is one aspect where MXGP has us beat…..we should probably go to a 3 day National program, Friday practice for all…Saturday 125/250 2T feeder series and Pro women’s…Sunday for National pros only….IMO….
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This post is confusing- There are multiple options for a new 125cc dirt bike..What am I missing here?
Some options, but not from Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Triumph, Ducati...
Less expensive bikes for the masses. I'm not so sure that R & D won't make the bikes better, it will, but the point is that the manufacturers won't need to do much of that for the tiddlers. Keep the cost down.
People will buy them in boat loads if the AMA puts a National 125 series together.
Are Profesh and I the only guys who remember having fun on these things?
No, they wont. The yamaha-ktm-husky are great options. TM if you want something exotic.
I love me a crisp 125.... nobody is clamoring for one from Triumph or Ducati.
If you are referring to my post, I should have said "Major manufacturers who don't already build one..."
Agree the 125s are a great option for riders transitioning from minis, but there are good options out there now. If someone's looking for a different color, I think if you took any of the Kaw/Suz/Honda/Yam 125s from their last generation (mid-2000s), gave the engine a good once-over and threw on some more modern suspension units, you'd have a highly serviceable (and reliable) bike for amateur racing.
Manufacturers care about $ plain and simple. They are a business and if you’re first and foremost goal as a business isn’t to make money, you probably won’t have a business very long. They did the math and decided 125s and two strokes in general weren’t worth it. That being said, any mini rider transitioning to a big bike should do a year or two on a 125 imo. Learning to carry momentum and corner are key and that bike will certainly reward or penalize those who do or don’t.
I was asking OP
Ok, my bad. two of the "major manufacturers" produce 125cc bikes.
Kawasaki will be adding a new KX125 to the options in about a year or so.
I believe Weege said in his video covering the new Kawasaki 327 that the best selling dirt bike is KTM's 300 XC. I don't think most adults want to buy a 125 as they are too slow/under powered/hard to ride fast compared to many other options available.
Why don't you buy one?
Some of the Honda, Suzuki, Kawi parts are getting harder to come by as far as using one for every day riding.
My first year on a 125 after minis was injury filled
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There's no rule that says your bike has to be new. (Unless you're racing Pro Nationals or SX)
I think Jerry's posse single-handedly depleted the '85 CR250 spare parts market.
If a new RM comes it, I'll buy it, in spite of the fact that my replacement knees might not like it.
When I say they will outsell everything else, I am talking about teenagers clamoring until they get one. Their chances of receiving a $3K 125 cc are much better than of receiving a $9K 250-F.
EDIT: oops! Just read online that a new YZ 125 sells for $7 K. I guess I'm stuck re4membering the long-ago days when a RM or YZ sold for about $1K.nI was guessing theyd be 3 or 4 K now, but an economist I am not.
Imagine the demand if the genius's at the AMA organized a small bore, two-stroke class.
Legend!!!!
What impact do you think the ZX MX250 will have on the sport?
It's a 40hp 250f with Kayaba suspension for $6000.
On a clay track with a lot of turns on a c12 old 125 . Your going to hv a blast & brake sliding it in on the inside of 450,s is super fun & an easy pass. They blow your bars off on a long straight. Then he protects the inside but has to go slow since it’s a huge bike. I fake inside & go outside brake slide it off a bowl & use the slope to get a burst & get him back. Or rail the outside , it’s a Blast dicing. But the 125 class is more fun , having a few bikes in turn 2 dicing nothing beats that.
I remember hearing from someone at KMC there might be 2 displacements/sizes when the new green 2T was first announced. But, I’ve recently heard they focused on getting the 327 done and haven’t heard about a 2nd displacement…yet.
As for Kawi making a 125? They sure could do it rather easily.
If…I’m just sayin’…if Kawasaki made a 125 along the lines of the steel chassis bikes they build, like their current small 2Ts, they could sell it for a song. $6,599 wouldn’t be out of the question (YZ125 is currently $7,199 plus the ridonkulous $675 “delivery bs”).
That would fill the gap between the big wheel and the 250F.
You can buy 2 kx125,s for that price spec it for c12& your competitive. I saw a kx125 race last yr the kids that don’t hv there yz jetting figured out . Hv a blur bur b4 the hit that’s all it takes to get passed.
IF there is a 2nd it would easily be a 250
Yup
Ya know…
If…that’s “if” they were to build a 125…well, that’s -was- the basis of the KDX200/220…which were amazing bikes.
Damn. That would be awesome.
250 4 strokes were absolutely bad for the sport and we will never go back to 125cc
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