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Yes, yes we will.
TM
There's that, and the service members who lost their lives during these operations. He specifically said "you" though. Unless TM would like to argue spiked gas prices were a net win, that's arguably been the biggest impact to people.
I stipulate that we all had higher energy prices which led to higher living cost for several months. However, in the big picture for future peace, I think most people will recover and by next year and be back to living normal. There are however some huge benefits that we on a daily basis will not recognize. IE: the dismantling of OPEC, Iran's ability to create terror in the region....... A lot of these things just don't affect our daily life that we are aware of. So beyond the higher energy costs and general cost of living, how did it individually affect @LoudLove ?
TM
IMO, this is why President Trump pulled out of the JCPOA. Because he is essentially a petulant child. I had hopes the folks around him would keep him on the tracks. But we hat Hegseth and Steven Miller instead.
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Yes we do. But we are also putting that money back into the economy in the form of paying workers to replenish the coffers.
If the City of London and the Bank of England / Lloyds of London criminals lose their financial grip on Iran, we all win whether you like the evil orange man or not.
Not to mention that the USA had an agreement with Ukraine, we would protect them if they gave Russia back it nukes.
You're not wrong, they used to get to decide who goes through the straight because they had a monopoly on who they gave insurance to. I'd say the real crime is us having to listen to all these foreigners (even locals) with "rumors" of the deal, and how "Israel dragged us into this", "Orange man bad". It would be more likely to believe that Trump said to himself "no other president was able to achieve peace in the middle east, I'm going to do it" Just to claim greatness, that I'd believe.
TM
Our most greatest bestest ally that blasted the shit out of the USS Liberty and helped coax our government into plenty of wars has been our main source of intel in the Middle East. Has it ever dawned on you that maybe, just maybe, that intel was pure shit? Use your captain crunch decoder and explain to us how bibi has not played trump. I’d love to hear that explanation TM. Trump sure has benefited from the markets though. Don’t hear much bitching about that. Yet there’s plenty(including myself) that can’t stand the thought of Pelosi and others insider trading.
Not really, before I was saying that Trump didn't see he was played by him. Now he can see that he's been talked into a war he likely never wanted to be a part of.
As long as the deal isn't blow up by Netanyahu after the US unfreezes the assets . That would never happen though right? So far the deal they have will still not get us back to before the strikes started. But I'm glad that it appears that there will be an end to it.
Oops hit post a little early........ I heard there is a med for that.
I still think we would have been better off negotiating instead of dropping bombs. Iran now knows what the worst case is and that they can handle it. Other than genocide , the stick part has now been played. If the Iranian military is totally wiped out like Trump claims, Than Iran has already experienced the worst case scenario . And it seems silly to think that making threats would have much impact on negotiations in the future. Making me think that they likely had a negative impact on the negotiations that are going on right now.
I'm still wondering who is footing the reported one billion dollar retrofit bill for the 747 that Qatar gave him, that he keeps when he leaves office. Surely nothing swampy to see there.
Holy shit, he keeps it after leaving office?
Yes Sir.
And why Boeing has dragged their feet for so long with the 2 on order that we even need a bridge AF1?
Excellent question Avid!
Yes and no, it's going on display in his presidential library.
TM
Mostly agree. Trump was getting desperate to get out of this mess. The mess that he started. Returning to pre war oil flow will not be happening right away when you realize that the halt in shipping was mostly self imposed by the mariners. It was because of fear. That has not gone away. Keep an eye on war risk premiums. That indicates the fear level because the ship owners and operators self insure. This is a good source to keep up with what is actually happening with the shipping situation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xosw8iFTzsc&t=32s
Boeing is definitely dragging it's feet due to a couple different reasons, biggest one being workforce with clearance to actually do the work, and the intricate nature of what's being asked of them technically, most electronic integration.
Neither here nor there, it's one hell of a gift from one M.E. country to a sitting president. Also, who says we need a "bridge" AF1? Are the current ones falling apart and ready for the desert or something?
Me? As in the here and now? Not a bit of if I look at life through a straw with blinders on. I’m at the beach in my 4Runner 2-3 days a week and living large!
But if we’re talking “security”, that’s a long term mixed bag. Iran made the US look unprepared at best, and unwilling to see the fight to the end at worst. We couldn’t finish a campaign we started, and were consistently thwarted by primitive weaponry. Our high-tech gadgetry works great against other high tech gadgetry but has weaknesses when facing slower but smaller opponents. Iran’s counter-offensives were noted globally, and while Trump and his supporters may shout “Winning!”, objectively the outcome weakened the US on the global stage.
Pit Row
Well now that the Iran issue is done, they can finally get back to releasing the unredacted Epstein Files 🙂
Only 176 or so days past their own deadline.
Epstein is much less relevant than the Iranian conflict. Straits remain blocked, and even after reopening, transit costs will skyrocket. Signatures are pending, so Trump’s victory chants are a bit premature.
"But if we’re talking “security”, that’s a long term mixed bag. Iran made the US look unprepared at best, and unwilling to see the fight to the end at worst. We couldn’t finish a campaign we started, and were consistently thwarted by primitive weaponry. Our high-tech gadgetry works great against other high tech gadgetry but has weaknesses when facing slower but smaller opponents. Iran’s counter-offensives were noted globally, and while Trump and his supporters may shout “Winning!”, objectively the outcome weakened the US on the global stage. "
In the words of respected member "I honestly have no idea what you're talking about"
I pretty much thought it was brilliant. Bomb the bejuzes out of them and then just sit there and wait till they realize there's nothing they can do. Sure, it didn't happen over night. But here we are on the verge of peace through the ME. That aside, if you think your position is "our equipment didn't work" you should be thankful you/we found out now vs when it's really necessary. IF they didn't in fact work, you can revamp them. It's a great testing ground. What exactly do you mean "not finish the campaign"? you're of the mindset that we needed to keep bombing them? Why? Because that's what we've always done? This strategy brought the ME together against Iran. IF there was "no strategy to end the war" why exactly do you think it's over? This was over a long f#@%ing time ago, it just took time to play out. Everyone is so used to instant results they have no patience anymore.
Your turn,
TM
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The cope is strong with this one.
I'll make it easier for you to explain...
Pick a number, which country won?
He's not leaving office.
"Bomb the bejuzes out of them and then just sit there and wait till they realize there's nothing they can do."
Do you think closing Hormuz Strait was nothing?
"This strategy brought the ME together against Iran."
Did it?
"IF there was "no strategy to end the war" why exactly do you think it's over?"
Trump had no winning cards, so he capitulated.
I find it laughable that anyone would say the USA’s military equipment didn’t work. 😆
Make no mistake, our men and women could have destroyed Iran. The bitch about war, is a quick campaign results in mass casualties. What we learned since Vietnam is the regime change doesn’t work unless the people support it or were willing to go scorched earth. It’s damn clear Iranians don’t support it because all their leaders were taken out in one strike. I don’t want to see another news story about how Iranians want a better life.
Back on topic, isreal intel is top notch but they have a tendency to exaggerate or Iran would have had a nuke in the 90’s. Was it real this time? We’ll never know.
Iran got us by the balls in this one. Trump is not willing to commit our forces to another Afghanistan and I don’t blame him. Peace deal is best we can hope for. Time will tell if it works. Should we have stayed the course with Obama deal, I suspect the truth will never come out just finger pointing.
I say, let’s come home and focus on that 40 trillion dollar deficit.
Goodnight to my American cousins, may your tax dollars be well used
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