are Bridgestones better than Dunlops

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because a lot of front ends are going away this year during the races. do treads make that much of a difference on the front end?
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Works tires? I say yes.
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Reed has commented that Dunlops were not as good as Bridgestones and that he had to ride differently, but Dunlop was working hard to fix any issues.

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I have run both on my own bike. I prefer the feel of the Dunlops over the Bridgestones. And the Dunlops work better longer. But I’m sure the pros are not running the same Dunlops and Bridgestones that I can buy.
UpTiTe 1/30/2011 7:38pm
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I would say front ends are washing becaue they are running the fronts so stiff to get through the bigger woops faster, but really I don't know shit.
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I think you are right Uptite.
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BobbyM wrote:
because a lot of front ends are going away this year during the races. do treads make that much of a difference on the front end?
I have heard they did anyway, when Reardon came to Aussie end of 2009 on his Honda and brought his enigine, suspension and Bridgstone tires, was doing real well first 2 rounds I think. Then went shit as Australian team said he had to run their tires...

Of course this is from a racer to another racer etc so story could be exagerated or completely wrong;-)

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snowy816 wrote:
I have heard they did anyway, when Reardon came to Aussie end of 2009 on his Honda and brought his enigine, suspension and Bridgstone tires, was...
I have heard they did anyway, when Reardon came to Aussie end of 2009 on his Honda and brought his enigine, suspension and Bridgstone tires, was doing real well first 2 rounds I think. Then went shit as Australian team said he had to run their tires...

Of course this is from a racer to another racer etc so story could be exagerated or completely wrong;-)

There was also an interview with Charlie Costanzo saying that when he was a mechanic for Reardon in the US on Geico, that Dan was riding real well one day in practice and a tyre rep cam over and bolted a works tyre on for him, Apparently was worth a second a lap or something, and as soon as the main was over the tyre was taken back quick smart.

I've got the article somewhere, i'll try and dig it up.
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Reed has commented that Dunlops were not as good as Bridgestones and that he had to ride differently, but Dunlop was working hard to fix any...
Reed has commented that Dunlops were not as good as Bridgestones and that he had to ride differently, but Dunlop was working hard to fix any issues.
I have heard over and over that the dunlops aren't as good but find that extremely hard to believe that dunlop probably the biggest 2 wheeled mfg of tires is having such a hard time putting together a good tire that the racers can use they have an unbelievable amount of resources to make a good tire. wasn't team Honda using dunlops for years when MC & RC were winning everything? It can't be the tire and feel its a setup issue being blamed on the tires IMO
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snowy816 wrote:
I have heard they did anyway, when Reardon came to Aussie end of 2009 on his Honda and brought his enigine, suspension and Bridgstone tires, was...
I have heard they did anyway, when Reardon came to Aussie end of 2009 on his Honda and brought his enigine, suspension and Bridgstone tires, was doing real well first 2 rounds I think. Then went shit as Australian team said he had to run their tires...

Of course this is from a racer to another racer etc so story could be exagerated or completely wrong;-)

haydos25 wrote:
There was also an interview with Charlie Costanzo saying that when he was a mechanic for Reardon in the US on Geico, that Dan was riding...
There was also an interview with Charlie Costanzo saying that when he was a mechanic for Reardon in the US on Geico, that Dan was riding real well one day in practice and a tyre rep cam over and bolted a works tyre on for him, Apparently was worth a second a lap or something, and as soon as the main was over the tyre was taken back quick smart.

I've got the article somewhere, i'll try and dig it up.
Yeah I remember that article, was in an ADB mag not to long ago.
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Reed has commented that Dunlops were not as good as Bridgestones and that he had to ride differently, but Dunlop was working hard to fix any...
Reed has commented that Dunlops were not as good as Bridgestones and that he had to ride differently, but Dunlop was working hard to fix any issues.
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I have heard over and over that the dunlops aren't as good but find that extremely hard to believe that dunlop probably the biggest 2 wheeled...
I have heard over and over that the dunlops aren't as good but find that extremely hard to believe that dunlop probably the biggest 2 wheeled mfg of tires is having such a hard time putting together a good tire that the racers can use they have an unbelievable amount of resources to make a good tire. wasn't team Honda using dunlops for years when MC & RC were winning everything? It can't be the tire and feel its a setup issue being blamed on the tires IMO
I think due to not being the main tyre that don't aave a good range of different tryes. Give them another year with all the guys using them and testing different conditions they will.

Rememeber Factory tires have allot more range then just a sand, intermediate and hard pack tyre...
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Also didn't RC still have Bridgestone on the Honda, and they just painted Dunlop on them??
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Reed has commented that Dunlops were not as good as Bridgestones and that he had to ride differently, but Dunlop was working hard to fix any...
Reed has commented that Dunlops were not as good as Bridgestones and that he had to ride differently, but Dunlop was working hard to fix any issues.
Lightning78 wrote:
I have heard over and over that the dunlops aren't as good but find that extremely hard to believe that dunlop probably the biggest 2 wheeled...
I have heard over and over that the dunlops aren't as good but find that extremely hard to believe that dunlop probably the biggest 2 wheeled mfg of tires is having such a hard time putting together a good tire that the racers can use they have an unbelievable amount of resources to make a good tire. wasn't team Honda using dunlops for years when MC & RC were winning everything? It can't be the tire and feel its a setup issue being blamed on the tires IMO
I have to disagree. Look at what happened in MotoGP in 2007, where the Bridgestone shod teams were clearly outperforming the Michelin teams. Michelin never caught up during the season, to the point that Rossi demanded Bridgestones for 2008 even though Yamaha was a Michelin sponsored team (and his team-mates still rode Michelin in '08).

Regardless of the resources, the mfg's can get it wrong.
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I got a text from an "insider" dude today. Kinda what's being said around the pits. Dunlop's tire is not performing as well as the Bridgestone set up right now.I'm sure they have "Top Men" working on it right now.....Who? "Top.......Men".Wink
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GuyB 1/30/2011 11:58pm
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You guys know that Bridgestone wasn't around last year, either, right?
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Reed has commented that Dunlops were not as good as Bridgestones and that he had to ride differently, but Dunlop was working hard to fix any...
Reed has commented that Dunlops were not as good as Bridgestones and that he had to ride differently, but Dunlop was working hard to fix any issues.
Lightning78 wrote:
I have heard over and over that the dunlops aren't as good but find that extremely hard to believe that dunlop probably the biggest 2 wheeled...
I have heard over and over that the dunlops aren't as good but find that extremely hard to believe that dunlop probably the biggest 2 wheeled mfg of tires is having such a hard time putting together a good tire that the racers can use they have an unbelievable amount of resources to make a good tire. wasn't team Honda using dunlops for years when MC & RC were winning everything? It can't be the tire and feel its a setup issue being blamed on the tires IMO
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I have to disagree. Look at what happened in MotoGP in 2007, where the Bridgestone shod teams were clearly outperforming the Michelin teams. Michelin never caught...
I have to disagree. Look at what happened in MotoGP in 2007, where the Bridgestone shod teams were clearly outperforming the Michelin teams. Michelin never caught up during the season, to the point that Rossi demanded Bridgestones for 2008 even though Yamaha was a Michelin sponsored team (and his team-mates still rode Michelin in '08).

Regardless of the resources, the mfg's can get it wrong.
Yeah the point I was going to make Ando. Stoner won his MotoGP championship on Bridgestones and clearly had an edge on Rossi. Next year they both rode Bridgerocks and it was an even playing field with Rossi take'n the brass. I personally preferred Dunlops when racing back bout 10 years as I found the front went out and was unpredictable on Bridgerocks and even gave Mitchelin a go and same thing. But that's just what I found and I never had works tyres. And never was a champ either, so who gives a shit!
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snowy816 wrote:
Also didn't RC still have Bridgestone on the Honda, and they just painted Dunlop on them??
On at least one occasion yes.

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And I remember a quote from RC after he moved to suzuki saying he was just glad to be back on bridgestones.
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on a consumer level i prefer bridgstones over dunlops ....they last longer and they have a better feel when it starts losing traction on the frontend u dont just end up on the ground
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Opinion 1: I have run both on my own bike. I prefer the feel of the Dunlops over the Bridgestones. And the Dunlops work better longer. But I’m sure the pros are not running the same Dunlops and Bridgestones that I can buy.

Opinion 2: on a consumer level i prefer bridgstones over dunlops ....they last longer and they have a better feel when it starts losing traction on the frontend u dont just end up on the ground


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The situation is not primarily the tires. Exiting a rough section, just before the slick corner, their butts are not even on the seat or still may be over the back of the seat.
Not sitting forward and sticking the front end into the corner, is a problem.


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Highsider wrote:
Opinion 1: I have run both on my own bike. I prefer the feel of the Dunlops over the Bridgestones. And the Dunlops work better longer...
Opinion 1: I have run both on my own bike. I prefer the feel of the Dunlops over the Bridgestones. And the Dunlops work better longer. But I’m sure the pros are not running the same Dunlops and Bridgestones that I can buy.

Opinion 2: on a consumer level i prefer bridgstones over dunlops ....they last longer and they have a better feel when it starts losing traction on the frontend u dont just end up on the ground


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The situation is not primarily the tires. Exiting a rough section, just before the slick corner, their butts are not even on the seat or still may be over the back of the seat.
Not sitting forward and sticking the front end into the corner, is a problem.


"Not sitting forward and sticking the front end into the corner, is a problem"

Great observation, Highsider. In his first crash in Oakland, RV rides right to the top of the bowl turn sitting well back on the seat.



Both RV and JS have been a bit prone to losing the front end. It's not just this year, or the Dunlops.
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Or go back to LA and watch James do the same thing...butt over the fender/seat junction.
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I have run both on my own bike. I prefer the feel of the Dunlops over the Bridgestones. And the Dunlops work better longer. But I’m...
I have run both on my own bike. I prefer the feel of the Dunlops over the Bridgestones. And the Dunlops work better longer. But I’m sure the pros are not running the same Dunlops and Bridgestones that I can buy.
There it is ladies and gents. 713N has stated that DUNLOPS work better longer.


End of story.
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BobbyM 1/31/2011 11:50am
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I would say front ends are washing becaue they are running the fronts so stiff to get through the bigger woops faster, but really I don't...
I would say front ends are washing becaue they are running the fronts so stiff to get through the bigger woops faster, but really I don't know shit.
that makes sense actually...
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GuyB wrote:
You guys know that Bridgestone wasn't around last year, either, right?
no shit...and there were slide outs then too. my question was more of why can't broc and the boys make em work?
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Chad Reed has struggled since the switch from Bridgestone to Dunlop. Just saying.
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Which bridgestones?
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Highsider wrote:
Opinion 1: I have run both on my own bike. I prefer the feel of the Dunlops over the Bridgestones. And the Dunlops work better longer...
Opinion 1: I have run both on my own bike. I prefer the feel of the Dunlops over the Bridgestones. And the Dunlops work better longer. But I’m sure the pros are not running the same Dunlops and Bridgestones that I can buy.

Opinion 2: on a consumer level i prefer bridgstones over dunlops ....they last longer and they have a better feel when it starts losing traction on the frontend u dont just end up on the ground


Laughing

The situation is not primarily the tires. Exiting a rough section, just before the slick corner, their butts are not even on the seat or still may be over the back of the seat.
Not sitting forward and sticking the front end into the corner, is a problem.


ive never had good luck with dunlops except the 756s ...i use bridgstone 403 404 combo and it works good everywhere ..the mx 31s are great in sand and super loose dirt ...go anywhere near hard pack and they lose the side knobs faster then a drunk chick losing her dress on prom night the mx 51 front tire is horrible in intermediate terrain...if i have to use them i use a mx51 rear and a 31 front.....
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It's a wash for most consumers on an outdoor track. Most all good, aggressive tires work well in softer dirt.

In supercross, especially on the West coast, you have a lot of extremely hard, slick tracks, where moisture rises to the surface throughout the evening. These guys are obviously the best in the sport, so everything is ridden to its limit. Bridgestones, especially the front tires, are exceptional in these areas.

You can even notice this with the production tires - a 403 front gives a really, really good bite on an angle on a hard surface.

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