Go back and watch last year at Pala, or honestly almost any race. Most of the top 250 guys couldn’t put together two solid motos without crashing, getting bad starts, or fading late. Deegan deserves credit for being the most consistent rider in the class, and his fitness is clearly above the rest of the 250 field, but that’s very different from beating established 450-level talent.
A lot of people act like he was dominating with pure speed, but he rarely had the fastest laps in motos. What separated him was consistency, conditioning, and minimizing mistakes while everyone else fell apart around him.
The 450 class is different. Those guys don’t fade the same way, and they can consistently run elite pace for an entire moto. So when you really look at who Deegan is beating right now, outside of Cole Davies, it’s mostly career 250 riders — not proven top-tier 450 competition.
In 2–3 years, I absolutely think he could be battling for overall wins in the 450 class. But right now, I think people are getting ahead of themselves with the hype.
Yeah he’s overhyped
He’s risen to the top in every series. Indoors, out, hybrid, whoops, sand tracks whatever his weakness he works, improves and excels.
I am not saying he’ll be the best ever, but I do expect him to find a way to be battling at the top again, maybe not year one, but as he has before, he works his way to the top and to the front.
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We will find out soon enough. I expect a top 5, but there is a lot of good guys racing.
Ummmmm…..no….did it cross your mind that maybe the inconsistency in the others was because he forced them out of their comfort zone…we will soon see if they suddenly become consistence this year…
Haiden's dad, @super_fan_38 will be along shortly to defend him.
It's a very real possibility that he rides MX3 at the MXdN this year.
I'd say he is fairly rated by most people here but some bed bugs already thinking he's gonna dominate 450s is a little pathetic. He is really really fucking good and specially his mindset and his fitness will carry him to great results over the next years. But he isn't racing Kitchen, Hymas and Anstie anymore. He'll race the arguably best guy we have seen over the last 15-20 years and his brother who all of the sudden turns into the same alien and there is even 2-3 more guys that he has to worry about.
I think if he actually gels with the bike (nobody liked the 450 Yami outdoors the past years but new frame so let's see) and battles for the podium most races and maybe even gets an overall win or two this summer.. that would be absolutely phenomenal. I could see him win overalls at Pala and Washougal and I also think he will have really bad weekends earting dirt while trying to keep up with the Hondas.
So overhyped by some people? Yeah probably. But fairly rated by most people who just wait until they see results. One thing is for sure, we fans are eating good this summer.
I definitely think the whole "Jett vs Deegan" topic is overhyped af and disrespectful to the other riders out there. This will for sure backfire imo.
Jcoop supposedly faster this week during testing per PulpMX
I think he is adequately hyped
JCoop is underrated
That would not surprise me at all.
I fucking hope not. Why should he get a third chance to ride for the USA.
Stay home as usual, beside Kay de wolf is in Deagan head.
I watched the vlog and jcoop caught and passed him then built a gap. They edited the video a bit so it seemed like Haiden was in front of him but after watching it back he clearly got caught and passed.
I think he is very skilled and fit, but I don’t think he’ll come out of the gate winning motos. I think he has the skills to grow and adapt and get better but realistically he’s not going to go 22-0.
So long as he starts good, which he fixed this year in SX he will be fine. He had the speed and fitness over the entire 250 field last year in MX so he was able to consistently come through the pack. I don’t see him doing it so much in 450. But again if his starts are as good on his 450, he will be fine. As far as hype, how can’t he be hyped up with his 250 career, but we will know soon if it’s real.
Properly hyped. Immediate podium guy and moto winner. It’s the extremists that are idiots. He’s not going to have a perfect season and he’s not going to be battling Mook, Cowboy AP and Rick J.
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This comparison is ridiculous…Alessi was coming out of amateurs at the time while Deegan has proven himself as a four time 250 champion…so totally different….now I think the Deegan vs Jett hype is premature as I think it’s going to take Deegan some time to adapt to racing these guys…but I do believe he will get there…yes…
Calling extremists idiots after stating he is an immediate podium guy and a likely race winner. Funny.
I think he will be around the top 5, but not on pace with the top 2 or 3 riders.
A very reasonable post in a Deegan thread.
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What a great and unique thread to start.
Such a lazy take. I can’t tell if these guys didn’t follow the sport then or don’t follow it now. Or both.
Well, there hasn't been a thread kicked to the Dumbgeon in a week.
Couldn't last forever!
The best take on deegan comes from Webb's recent comments on Gypsy tales.
Not to take anything away from Deegans 250 rides/championships but after watching him on the 450 at last years year end WSX races, basically a duck out of water, looked like a different rider on the 450!! He's had a year to acclimate to the 450 but i sincerly believe he has another thing coming at Pala in the 450 class and needs an attitude adjustment imho, time will tell!!
It’s also an even more real possibility he comes up with another excuse this year to not go because he won’t think his teammates are up to par.
His starts sucked and he routinely came from outside the top 10 to pass everyone for the lead. He posted multiple fastest lap times, and the end of the moto conditioning will be an even bigger factor in the 450s. look how tomac, sexton, etc have made big moves in the last 5-10minutes, having that under your belt will only help you in the big class.
I'm not comparing them lmao just posting the pic bc the believe the hype t shirt is iconic please calm down
He’s good, maybe even great. But he raced against dudes that couldn’t get out of their own ways pretty consistently.
Thinking he’s going to come in and dominate the field in the 450s is nuts because we do have much more consistency in that class.
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