Suzuki Nation, Stand Up!

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steveloyer wrote:

Probably the cheapest Supercross title ever for them.

Unless there was some gnarly longshot bonus condition in his contract 😎

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Juck wrote:
It's been dead last in every shootout since its release. I don't think Roczen winning a championship on a heavily modified bike makes the stock one...

It's been dead last in every shootout since its release. I don't think Roczen winning a championship on a heavily modified bike makes the stock one any better

brocster wrote:
You know shootouts are just peoples opinions with implied subconscious bias eh?  Most test riders and riders in general would produce the same results be it...

You know shootouts are just peoples opinions with implied subconscious bias eh?  Most test riders and riders in general would produce the same results be it on the shootout winning bike vs the shootout last place machine. They are paid to find differences and that they will…hence rear brake return spring felt a little weak and cause every vet to go out and replace said spring the second they purchase the bike. Buy what you like and ride it. That is all…

Juck wrote:
I highly doubt anyone doing a shootout is suggesting the test riders evaluate their biases when ranking the bikesEven if they were, someone out of the...

I highly doubt anyone doing a shootout is suggesting the test riders evaluate their biases when ranking the bikes

Even if they were, someone out of the probably 50+ test riders that ranked it last would like Suzuki, so maybe if what you're saying is true then the bike is even worse than thought

Just because it’s last in shootouts doesn’t mean it is shit. It’s a comparison and there can only be one winner.  It’s heavy in stock form and has a kickstarter those alone set the bias and will put it last in a shootout regardless if it does any other thing good. There is an analogy re: a fat chick in here but I’ll leave it at that. 

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G-man wrote:
I have had Suzuki roots for 53 years. 😲All the way back to 1973. When I first discovered Motocross and my all time hero Roger DeCoster...

I have had Suzuki roots for 53 years. 😲All the way back to 1973. When I first discovered Motocross and my all time hero Roger DeCoster. He just has the magic touch with his mind and his experience on what he wants on a motorcycle and can engineer parts himself.

My first true Motocross motorcycle was a 1974 TM125, even though the Honda Elsinore was the more popular model. Owned over a dozen RM's and FULL FLOATER's throughout the years. There was a time when Suzuki RM's ruled the Southern Cal motocross tracks.

When he left and went to Honda and transformed those bikes into great machines.That's when I bought CR250's and  CRF450's. 

His final act was to go to KTM and I've currently owned four of those great bikes as well.

I am sure Roger deep down had good thoughts about Kenny and Suzuki finally pulling it off. 😎

1975 RM125

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web mx wrote:

Are you forgetting when he left Honda and went back to Suzuki from 1995 thru 2010 before KTM in 2011.

Ahhhhhh yes I did!

Thanks for reminding me about that. They say the memory is the first thing to go..... and I know I have some memory issues on certain things but motorcycle related, I thought I was pretty good at. 🙄 😂

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Had a 03 RM 125 with a 144 big bore cylinder on it. Was a former F&S bike. Got this as my first “big bike” after getting back into moto after a 6 yr brake. Miss that old bike. Not gonna lie seeing all of Kenny’s success makes me want to get another yellow bike! 
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Yesterday I agreed a sale on my 08 RM250… he’s due to pick it up on Tuesday. I’m not sure if I’m a little bit gutted… 


I’ve still got a 1990 RM250 and another 06-08 in a box.. 

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Not to bring Tennis into this, but, the top players use older model racquets they grew up playing with and just get modern paint jobs. I’m sure it’s a common practice in a lot of other sports. There’s a common saying in tennis “Graphite doesn’t change.” - meaning that the same graphite used 20+ years ago is still the same graphite used to make racquets today. I’m sure you can see the parallel.

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brocster wrote:
You know shootouts are just peoples opinions with implied subconscious bias eh?  Most test riders and riders in general would produce the same results be it...

You know shootouts are just peoples opinions with implied subconscious bias eh?  Most test riders and riders in general would produce the same results be it on the shootout winning bike vs the shootout last place machine. They are paid to find differences and that they will…hence rear brake return spring felt a little weak and cause every vet to go out and replace said spring the second they purchase the bike. Buy what you like and ride it. That is all…

Juck wrote:
I highly doubt anyone doing a shootout is suggesting the test riders evaluate their biases when ranking the bikesEven if they were, someone out of the...

I highly doubt anyone doing a shootout is suggesting the test riders evaluate their biases when ranking the bikes

Even if they were, someone out of the probably 50+ test riders that ranked it last would like Suzuki, so maybe if what you're saying is true then the bike is even worse than thought

brocster wrote:
Just because it’s last in shootouts doesn’t mean it is shit. It’s a comparison and there can only be one winner.  It’s heavy in stock form...

Just because it’s last in shootouts doesn’t mean it is shit. It’s a comparison and there can only be one winner.  It’s heavy in stock form and has a kickstarter those alone set the bias and will put it last in a shootout regardless if it does any other thing good. There is an analogy re: a fat chick in here but I’ll leave it at that. 

It was still getting dead last when other bikes had a kickstarter.

I don't think shootouts are perfect, and for some people it could be the best 450, but they're a fairly decent indication of how the bikes stand imo.

You started talking about test rider biases without acknowledging your own, like you being a Suzuki fan and owning one, so whether or not you realise it you will try to convince yourself to believe positive things about the Suzuki, both to protect your own beliefs and ego, and because you have made a sizeable financial purchase of it and you don't want to feel negative about it.

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Yesterday I agreed a sale on my 08 RM250… he’s due to pick it up on Tuesday. I’m not sure if I’m a little bit gutted… I’ve...

Yesterday I agreed a sale on my 08 RM250… he’s due to pick it up on Tuesday. I’m not sure if I’m a little bit gutted… 


I’ve still got a 1990 RM250 and another 06-08 in a box.. 

I would argue the 89-92 RM250 is one of the best iterations, especially the ‘91.

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I had a few over the years...

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Not to bring Tennis into this, but, the top players use older model racquets they grew up playing with and just get modern paint jobs. I’m...

Not to bring Tennis into this, but, the top players use older model racquets they grew up playing with and just get modern paint jobs. I’m sure it’s a common practice in a lot of other sports. There’s a common saying in tennis “Graphite doesn’t change.” - meaning that the same graphite used 20+ years ago is still the same graphite used to make racquets today. I’m sure you can see the parallel.

Are you old enough to remember these?  Screenshot 2026-05-10 at 10.19.16%E2%80%AFAM

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1 day ago
Juck wrote:
I highly doubt anyone doing a shootout is suggesting the test riders evaluate their biases when ranking the bikesEven if they were, someone out of the...

I highly doubt anyone doing a shootout is suggesting the test riders evaluate their biases when ranking the bikes

Even if they were, someone out of the probably 50+ test riders that ranked it last would like Suzuki, so maybe if what you're saying is true then the bike is even worse than thought

brocster wrote:
Just because it’s last in shootouts doesn’t mean it is shit. It’s a comparison and there can only be one winner.  It’s heavy in stock form...

Just because it’s last in shootouts doesn’t mean it is shit. It’s a comparison and there can only be one winner.  It’s heavy in stock form and has a kickstarter those alone set the bias and will put it last in a shootout regardless if it does any other thing good. There is an analogy re: a fat chick in here but I’ll leave it at that. 

Juck wrote:
It was still getting dead last when other bikes had a kickstarter.I don't think shootouts are perfect, and for some people it could be the best...

It was still getting dead last when other bikes had a kickstarter.

I don't think shootouts are perfect, and for some people it could be the best 450, but they're a fairly decent indication of how the bikes stand imo.

You started talking about test rider biases without acknowledging your own, like you being a Suzuki fan and owning one, so whether or not you realise it you will try to convince yourself to believe positive things about the Suzuki, both to protect your own beliefs and ego, and because you have made a sizeable financial purchase of it and you don't want to feel negative about it.

Of course that could mean you have your own biases/ego for what you purchase or you just use any chance you can to shit 💩 on Suzuki like other's on here.

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1 day ago Edited Date/Time 1 day ago
Not to bring Tennis into this, but, the top players use older model racquets they grew up playing with and just get modern paint jobs. I’m...

Not to bring Tennis into this, but, the top players use older model racquets they grew up playing with and just get modern paint jobs. I’m sure it’s a common practice in a lot of other sports. There’s a common saying in tennis “Graphite doesn’t change.” - meaning that the same graphite used 20+ years ago is still the same graphite used to make racquets today. I’m sure you can see the parallel.

Are you old enough to remember these?  

Are you old enough to remember these?  Screenshot 2026-05-10 at 10.19.16%E2%80%AFAM

Nice! Michael Chang special (and David Nalbandian at one point). Those are still competitive today.

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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Still have a 2008 RM250 sitting in my brother's garage collecting dust. Probably going to end up selling it. I can no longer ride and he's...

Still have a 2008 RM250 sitting in my brother's garage collecting dust. Probably going to end up selling it. I can no longer ride and he's busy raising a family and growing a business. 

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"I can no longer ride"

For me, that's a tough reality to accept.

 

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1 day ago
Juck wrote:
I highly doubt anyone doing a shootout is suggesting the test riders evaluate their biases when ranking the bikesEven if they were, someone out of the...

I highly doubt anyone doing a shootout is suggesting the test riders evaluate their biases when ranking the bikes

Even if they were, someone out of the probably 50+ test riders that ranked it last would like Suzuki, so maybe if what you're saying is true then the bike is even worse than thought

brocster wrote:
Just because it’s last in shootouts doesn’t mean it is shit. It’s a comparison and there can only be one winner.  It’s heavy in stock form...

Just because it’s last in shootouts doesn’t mean it is shit. It’s a comparison and there can only be one winner.  It’s heavy in stock form and has a kickstarter those alone set the bias and will put it last in a shootout regardless if it does any other thing good. There is an analogy re: a fat chick in here but I’ll leave it at that. 

Juck wrote:
It was still getting dead last when other bikes had a kickstarter.I don't think shootouts are perfect, and for some people it could be the best...

It was still getting dead last when other bikes had a kickstarter.

I don't think shootouts are perfect, and for some people it could be the best 450, but they're a fairly decent indication of how the bikes stand imo.

You started talking about test rider biases without acknowledging your own, like you being a Suzuki fan and owning one, so whether or not you realise it you will try to convince yourself to believe positive things about the Suzuki, both to protect your own beliefs and ego, and because you have made a sizeable financial purchase of it and you don't want to feel negative about it.

Shootouts aren’t worth reading in to. 

(enter brand here) gives the editor a bike for the year, or sponsors their channel and guess what… 

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So sweet! Maybe see a switch up in how manufacturers see production models. Is something completely new really required every couple of years? Unless they really failed in design. Seems the best bikes are the ones that have had the years to work the flaws out. Extending production years might make sense.

Hopefully Suzuki does ride this wave and brings something fresh to the table... And while they're at it, bring back the RMX 250. 2 stroke woods bikes are all the rage!

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1 day ago
Juck wrote:
I highly doubt anyone doing a shootout is suggesting the test riders evaluate their biases when ranking the bikesEven if they were, someone out of the...

I highly doubt anyone doing a shootout is suggesting the test riders evaluate their biases when ranking the bikes

Even if they were, someone out of the probably 50+ test riders that ranked it last would like Suzuki, so maybe if what you're saying is true then the bike is even worse than thought

brocster wrote:
Just because it’s last in shootouts doesn’t mean it is shit. It’s a comparison and there can only be one winner.  It’s heavy in stock form...

Just because it’s last in shootouts doesn’t mean it is shit. It’s a comparison and there can only be one winner.  It’s heavy in stock form and has a kickstarter those alone set the bias and will put it last in a shootout regardless if it does any other thing good. There is an analogy re: a fat chick in here but I’ll leave it at that. 

Juck wrote:
It was still getting dead last when other bikes had a kickstarter.I don't think shootouts are perfect, and for some people it could be the best...

It was still getting dead last when other bikes had a kickstarter.

I don't think shootouts are perfect, and for some people it could be the best 450, but they're a fairly decent indication of how the bikes stand imo.

You started talking about test rider biases without acknowledging your own, like you being a Suzuki fan and owning one, so whether or not you realise it you will try to convince yourself to believe positive things about the Suzuki, both to protect your own beliefs and ego, and because you have made a sizeable financial purchase of it and you don't want to feel negative about it.

I don’t own a Suzuki and haven’t since 2007 but I can assure you that the bike is more than enough in every category for 95% of this planet but you let shootouts steer you exactly where they want you. You are no faster on your “insert bike mfg” than you would be on the Zook is all I’m saying.  It’s not a bad bike for any of us and this thread proves it. Lots of happy Zook ownwers in here and I am sure not a single one says, I would have won last weekend if not for this damn Suzuki. 

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matze wrote:
Had to dig deep to find some pics of me from 2008 with the suz

Had to dig deep to find some pics of me from 2008 with the suz

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I know this is a Suzuki thread, but moment of silence for 661 helmets. Man those were sick helmets. 

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brocster wrote:
Just because it’s last in shootouts doesn’t mean it is shit. It’s a comparison and there can only be one winner.  It’s heavy in stock form...

Just because it’s last in shootouts doesn’t mean it is shit. It’s a comparison and there can only be one winner.  It’s heavy in stock form and has a kickstarter those alone set the bias and will put it last in a shootout regardless if it does any other thing good. There is an analogy re: a fat chick in here but I’ll leave it at that. 

Juck wrote:
It was still getting dead last when other bikes had a kickstarter.I don't think shootouts are perfect, and for some people it could be the best...

It was still getting dead last when other bikes had a kickstarter.

I don't think shootouts are perfect, and for some people it could be the best 450, but they're a fairly decent indication of how the bikes stand imo.

You started talking about test rider biases without acknowledging your own, like you being a Suzuki fan and owning one, so whether or not you realise it you will try to convince yourself to believe positive things about the Suzuki, both to protect your own beliefs and ego, and because you have made a sizeable financial purchase of it and you don't want to feel negative about it.

brocster wrote:
I don’t own a Suzuki and haven’t since 2007 but I can assure you that the bike is more than enough in every category for 95%...

I don’t own a Suzuki and haven’t since 2007 but I can assure you that the bike is more than enough in every category for 95% of this planet but you let shootouts steer you exactly where they want you. You are no faster on your “insert bike mfg” than you would be on the Zook is all I’m saying.  It’s not a bad bike for any of us and this thread proves it. Lots of happy Zook ownwers in here and I am sure not a single one says, I would have won last weekend if not for this damn Suzuki. 

I would actually argue that I ride better and faster on the RMZ’s I’ve had than I am on other bikes that I’ve ridden/owned because of how easy it is to ride and how usable the power really is compared to other bikes. 

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Have you seen how the price of kickstarters has sky rocketed since yesterday?

 

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"Worst" to First last night !

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brocster wrote:
Just because it’s last in shootouts doesn’t mean it is shit. It’s a comparison and there can only be one winner.  It’s heavy in stock form...

Just because it’s last in shootouts doesn’t mean it is shit. It’s a comparison and there can only be one winner.  It’s heavy in stock form and has a kickstarter those alone set the bias and will put it last in a shootout regardless if it does any other thing good. There is an analogy re: a fat chick in here but I’ll leave it at that. 

Juck wrote:
It was still getting dead last when other bikes had a kickstarter.I don't think shootouts are perfect, and for some people it could be the best...

It was still getting dead last when other bikes had a kickstarter.

I don't think shootouts are perfect, and for some people it could be the best 450, but they're a fairly decent indication of how the bikes stand imo.

You started talking about test rider biases without acknowledging your own, like you being a Suzuki fan and owning one, so whether or not you realise it you will try to convince yourself to believe positive things about the Suzuki, both to protect your own beliefs and ego, and because you have made a sizeable financial purchase of it and you don't want to feel negative about it.

brocster wrote:
I don’t own a Suzuki and haven’t since 2007 but I can assure you that the bike is more than enough in every category for 95%...

I don’t own a Suzuki and haven’t since 2007 but I can assure you that the bike is more than enough in every category for 95% of this planet but you let shootouts steer you exactly where they want you. You are no faster on your “insert bike mfg” than you would be on the Zook is all I’m saying.  It’s not a bad bike for any of us and this thread proves it. Lots of happy Zook ownwers in here and I am sure not a single one says, I would have won last weekend if not for this damn Suzuki. 

So many people have this idea that they're not going to be faster on any particular bike, but then don't do the logical thing of buying the cheapest bike if they're all the same. Why not just get a Kove or a low hour 20 year old 450 if there's no meaningful difference?

I'm not trying to shit all over the Suzuki, like I said it could be the best bike for some people, I just find it silly that public sentiment has shifted on a bike that hasn't changed at all in almost 9 years because one of the best riders in the world won a championship on a heavily modified Suzuki. And that also means all the test riders who rode one had some evil secret agenda to make the Suzuki look bad

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Anyone recall Stefan Everts’ involvement with Suzuki and what came about from it? Seemed he could have further pushed developments in the right direction if given the chance. 

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New 2004 RM125 I got in 2016. Still have it and love riding it. My first real mx bike was a 1991 RM80 so Suzuki has a place with me.IMG 0240 2.jpeg?VersionId=W gKaSedrmWJ1EVls8AbVt2yzOS5h

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I THINKED BEFORE THE SEASON THE TEAM MANGER GOT SUSZUKI PREPARED TO WIN THE TITEL AND CANT BELEVE THEY FINALL ABEL TO DO IT AGAIN

😂😂 This truly tops off the championship for me 

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