Aprilia & TM

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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 8:15am


Anyone else wanna see these 2 in either SX or MX?

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1/19/2011 12:39pm Edited Date/Time 1/19/2011 12:39pm
I'd like to see TM, Husky and Gas Gas 125's in that Under 19 series being mooted.
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1/19/2011 12:42pm
Yes. More brands competing makes it more interesting IMO.
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1/19/2011 12:48pm
Aprilia looked pretty bad even on a mx track. SX would be a scary sight.

The TM on the other hand...

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I know the bike in the picture is a 4 stroke. But how cool it is to see Dowdy on a 2 stroke TM?
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I like Aprilia as a company, and for the most part, like their bikes, but I dont think they have a bike ready for SX right now....but what do I know..

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1/19/2011 1:20pm
R-acer wrote:
I like Aprilia as a company, and for the most part, like their bikes, but I dont think they have a bike ready for SX right...
I like Aprilia as a company, and for the most part, like their bikes, but I dont think they have a bike ready for SX right now....but what do I know..
Bring over Josh Coppins and give it a shot, something like Daytona? Aprilia will never know unless they give it a shot, but I understand not wanting to use their factory pilot...don't understand not competing in the U.S.

Never mind after some extensive research (ie: google search) it appears that Coppins has retired from GP racing and is racing the 2011 season in Australia for Yamaha. Then just bring over Julien Bill.

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1/19/2011 1:46pm Edited Date/Time 1/19/2011 1:47pm
Now that I think of it I'm pretty sure twin cyl. engines are banned from pro mx here. Not positive though.
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1/19/2011 2:06pm
Yes twins are banned and none of the manufacturers mentioned import enough bikes to the US (except maybe husky) to meet the AMA minimum for competition.
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Dropbear wrote:
I'd like to see TM, Husky and Gas Gas 125's in that Under 19 series being mooted.
That's what I'm thinking.
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TM & KTM parts are interchangeable. On the older 250t anyways. Near the same bike except for colour.
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Hold It On wrote:
TM & KTM parts are interchangeable. On the older 250t anyways. Near the same bike except for colour.
Nope, your thinking of husaberg.
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Hold It On wrote:
TM & KTM parts are interchangeable. On the older 250t anyways. Near the same bike except for colour.
Man, you are confused. KTM and TM have NOTHING similar. Absolutely nothing. TM is the smallest factory in Europe and they had a great success selling go-kart engines.

Everybody who raced a TM said that was a great bike, but need's lots of maintenance.

And Aprilia... I was working on a Suzuki / Aprilia dealer and we repaired 5 engines in less thant two months. And the total amount of RXV's 450 and 550 that we sold was 6. No kidding, that bike was extremely expensive, the factory said us that need to replace pistons every 20 hours of use. I remember the seat completely hot on the summer, that bike was unreliable. At least they changed the swingarm. Most people said that was a previous test for a moto2 engines. What a waste of money that bike...

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1/19/2011 3:17pm
Hold It On wrote:
TM & KTM parts are interchangeable. On the older 250t anyways. Near the same bike except for colour.
One is Italian, the other is Austrian
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Faceaz wrote:
One is Italian, the other is Austrian
No................one's a piece of crap, the other is a piece of shitLaughing
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1/19/2011 4:45pm Edited Date/Time 1/19/2011 4:46pm
They should have a 2 stroke version of the Aprilia.. Twin cylinder.. ! A banshee on 2 wheels.. I like the TM 125! Beautiful bike.. just not sure about the baby blue color and parts availability.John Dowd like 2 stroke too!
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1/19/2011 6:32pm
Faceaz wrote:
One is Italian, the other is Austrian
dc1236 wrote:
No................one's a piece of crap, the other is a piece of shitLaughing
And you have probably never rode either, so that makes your opinion the only piece of shit in this thread.
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And you have probably never rode either, so that makes your opinion the only piece of shit in this thread.
Now is that really necessary? Seriously.
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1/19/2011 6:47pm Edited Date/Time 1/19/2011 6:49pm

I wonder if that series is really gonna happen......as far as the 200 being made,
there should be a first year exception on a prototype by the AMA. I'm
pretty sure Henry and Yamaha did their first year on the 400 that way.
Doug was the only guy on the planet with one.

Seem's you'd sell at least 200 of 'em if they did good in a series like that.

As far as riding one, who gives a what-ev-a.

That Aprilla is beautiful.
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Man, you are confused. KTM and TM have NOTHING similar. Absolutely nothing. TM is the smallest factory in Europe and they had a great success selling...
Man, you are confused. KTM and TM have NOTHING similar. Absolutely nothing. TM is the smallest factory in Europe and they had a great success selling go-kart engines.

Everybody who raced a TM said that was a great bike, but need's lots of maintenance.

And Aprilia... I was working on a Suzuki / Aprilia dealer and we repaired 5 engines in less thant two months. And the total amount of RXV's 450 and 550 that we sold was 6. No kidding, that bike was extremely expensive, the factory said us that need to replace pistons every 20 hours of use. I remember the seat completely hot on the summer, that bike was unreliable. At least they changed the swingarm. Most people said that was a previous test for a moto2 engines. What a waste of money that bike...

Tnx for the input. If the crazy people at Aprillia had only produced a normal single cylinder bike, maybe it could have been a success? Maybe you guys would have experienced only 2.5 engine failures?

Everytime I see that freak of a bike, I feel sorry for them and their investors lack of being in tune with the market.

I mean, here we bitch and moan about four strokes being to expensive, and these mofos decides to make it even worse?
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Faceaz wrote:
One is Italian, the other is Austrian
dc1236 wrote:
No................one's a piece of crap, the other is a piece of shitLaughing
Piece of shit that you can ride on 100mh+ in race mode without in needing to rebuild a single part in engine besides oil change. And that's a proven fact. 2008 TM450...
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Yep, current range of TM's look amazing, and will be my next purchase, that is for sure !!
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1/20/2011 7:12am
Faceaz wrote:
One is Italian, the other is Austrian
dc1236 wrote:
No................one's a piece of crap, the other is a piece of shitLaughing
Overdrive wrote:
And you have probably never rode either, so that makes your opinion the only piece of shit in this thread.
Nice comeback.............really?
The day I see James or either Ryan line up in a SX or MX, then I'll believe it. I wasn't to sold on them, especially after seeing Coppins performance at Lakewood on the Aprilia.
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motogrady wrote:
I wonder if that series is really gonna happen......as far as the 200 being made, there should be a first year exception on a prototype by...

I wonder if that series is really gonna happen......as far as the 200 being made,
there should be a first year exception on a prototype by the AMA. I'm
pretty sure Henry and Yamaha did their first year on the 400 that way.
Doug was the only guy on the planet with one.

Seem's you'd sell at least 200 of 'em if they did good in a series like that.

As far as riding one, who gives a what-ev-a.

That Aprilla is beautiful.
The Homologation rule requires 400 of each model (old rule was 800) be available threw a dealer network. I know for a fact TM has been working on this and wants to be racing SX & the Nationals. I have been told that if you apply for Homologation and fail the model can never be submitted again.

http://www.amaproracing.com/assets/2010-AMAPro-MX-Homologation.pdf

Approved model list. Interesting that Husqvarna has their 2010 250F approved but not the 2011. This tells me that Husqvarna wants to be on the Pro racing starting lines.

http://www.amaproracing.com/assets/AMAPro-MX-CompBulletin-2010-01.pdf

The exemption rule that Yamaha used with Doug Henry & Cannondale used with Jeff Gibson has expired so this no longer applies.
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dc1236 wrote:
No................one's a piece of crap, the other is a piece of shitLaughing
Overdrive wrote:
And you have probably never rode either, so that makes your opinion the only piece of shit in this thread.
dc1236 wrote:
Nice comeback.............really? The day I see James or either Ryan line up in a SX or MX, then I'll believe it. I wasn't to sold on...
Nice comeback.............really?
The day I see James or either Ryan line up in a SX or MX, then I'll believe it. I wasn't to sold on them, especially after seeing Coppins performance at Lakewood on the Aprilia.
Dude, use your brain. These small manufacturers can't afford to pay a top level racer. They don't produce enough bikes to sell for there to be any return on investment.

I bought the first 4-stroke TM MXer in north america in 2002, it was a good bike, although a bit quirky. I'd buy another TM in a heartbeat, they are really built top notch. I do wish they would have stuck with the chromoly frame though.

The main downfalls to these companies, as an owner, is the lack of resources and information out there about them. You're pretty much on your own when it comes to bike setup, and there's little to no aftermarket support. Although the TM comes with so many trick parts already, there's little left to be desired. Parts were always quick and easy to get, and priced well. I'm sure that hasn't changed, the distributor is still the same.
1/20/2011 10:03am
Anyone I know that had one loves the TM they just say the cost of purchase is the big killer, even the local TM dealer here don't stock them he just buys them in to order for is customers. Aprilia that bike is no good for moto
1/20/2011 10:16am Edited Date/Time 1/20/2011 10:18am
I don't think the question should be if the bikes are good or no good. KTM sucked years ago. But I wish we had it like over seas, where you atleast got to see them race in the Pro ranks. It is just cool to see more than 5 types. As you see over seas as well, there is only so much extra that can be done to bikes now. So the homo rule doesn't really affect the bikes that are being raced as much as the bike that aren't allowed to be raced like TM etc, in my opinion.
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1/20/2011 10:19am
Overdrive wrote:
And you have probably never rode either, so that makes your opinion the only piece of shit in this thread.
dc1236 wrote:
Nice comeback.............really? The day I see James or either Ryan line up in a SX or MX, then I'll believe it. I wasn't to sold on...
Nice comeback.............really?
The day I see James or either Ryan line up in a SX or MX, then I'll believe it. I wasn't to sold on them, especially after seeing Coppins performance at Lakewood on the Aprilia.
nytsmaC wrote:
Dude, use your brain. These small manufacturers can't afford to pay a top level racer. They don't produce enough bikes to sell for there to be...
Dude, use your brain. These small manufacturers can't afford to pay a top level racer. They don't produce enough bikes to sell for there to be any return on investment.

I bought the first 4-stroke TM MXer in north america in 2002, it was a good bike, although a bit quirky. I'd buy another TM in a heartbeat, they are really built top notch. I do wish they would have stuck with the chromoly frame though.

The main downfalls to these companies, as an owner, is the lack of resources and information out there about them. You're pretty much on your own when it comes to bike setup, and there's little to no aftermarket support. Although the TM comes with so many trick parts already, there's little left to be desired. Parts were always quick and easy to get, and priced well. I'm sure that hasn't changed, the distributor is still the same.
Very good point nytsmaC. For dc1236 to call something crap or shit that he has never rode is just ignorant. These companies employ a lot of people and for you to disparage their product when you have no personal knowledge of their product makes no sense. Your better off just not saying anything.

I have never been on a Aprilia or a TM but I would imagine they have a good product or they wouldn't still be in business. They may not be on the same level as the big 4 and they may not even be trying to be on that level, but for you to classify them as shit and crap is ignorant.
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TM only makes about 1500 bikes per year. They're hand built with the best components money can buy. Probably 5 - 10% of them come to North America. They're not about to get homologated any time soon. Hell, I doubt they produce even close to 400 of their highest selling model let alone import that many of them into the USA. They sell what they actually race, and often make bike changes mid-season due to their pro race team developments. A production TM that is for sale to you and I is the same bike they're racing in the GP's and world enduro championship series. Not watered down like what's available for purchase from the big 5. Consider the marginaly higher retail price in comparison to a cookie cutter, assembly line, made for the masses CRF450 and you'll realize the value.

Don't let the baby blue fool you, they're a wolf in sheeps clothing, I preferred the early 2000's darker blue look like my '02. The bikes are made for and aimed at pro racing, not novice bikes that need thousands in hop-ups to make them competitive Take a look at one up close in person and you'll appreciate them a lot more.


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ive actually ridden the aprilia. one of my good friends has one.

lotsa power. fun bike.


dealers/mechanics hate them because the italians do things differently, so its not the same cookie cutter jap format to wrench on. god forbid a grease monkey has to leave his comfort zone and learn something new. its been the same issue with ktm for a looong time and a large reason why they catch so much flak. they do things differently, whereas the big 4 japanese brands are all pretty much knock-offs of each other so if you can wrench on one, you can wrench on all.


the euros are used to multiple brands doing things differently, being that gasgas, tm, and the rest are all from various countrys/cultures. american consumers i dont think would be so against the unique brands but dealers want no part and steer consumers away from it for that reason. makes it hard for some of these smaller mfg's to get in with dealers here in the usa. and a large reason why ktm just ended up setting up their own dealer network, and in the long run, its worked out very well for them.

there's no problem with the aprilia except for the fact that it is different.



as for a small mfg like tm being able to afford a top rider.....tell ducati they cant afford anyone. they are small potatoes compared to the japanese brands, yet they can afford rossi because they bring in outside sponsorship. tm finds a big sponsor, they can run any team they want. better yet, simply aligning themselves with a private team that has good sponsorship is an easy fix (twotwo, l&m, jgr, H&H, etc)....not saying its going to happen soon, but factory support is factory support and the business model of factorys backing private teams is the future rather than the old model of doing everything in-house.
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Mod Killer wrote:
ive actually ridden the aprilia. one of my good friends has one. lotsa power. fun bike. dealers/mechanics hate them because the italians do things differently, so...
ive actually ridden the aprilia. one of my good friends has one.

lotsa power. fun bike.


dealers/mechanics hate them because the italians do things differently, so its not the same cookie cutter jap format to wrench on. god forbid a grease monkey has to leave his comfort zone and learn something new. its been the same issue with ktm for a looong time and a large reason why they catch so much flak. they do things differently, whereas the big 4 japanese brands are all pretty much knock-offs of each other so if you can wrench on one, you can wrench on all.


the euros are used to multiple brands doing things differently, being that gasgas, tm, and the rest are all from various countrys/cultures. american consumers i dont think would be so against the unique brands but dealers want no part and steer consumers away from it for that reason. makes it hard for some of these smaller mfg's to get in with dealers here in the usa. and a large reason why ktm just ended up setting up their own dealer network, and in the long run, its worked out very well for them.

there's no problem with the aprilia except for the fact that it is different.



as for a small mfg like tm being able to afford a top rider.....tell ducati they cant afford anyone. they are small potatoes compared to the japanese brands, yet they can afford rossi because they bring in outside sponsorship. tm finds a big sponsor, they can run any team they want. better yet, simply aligning themselves with a private team that has good sponsorship is an easy fix (twotwo, l&m, jgr, H&H, etc)....not saying its going to happen soon, but factory support is factory support and the business model of factorys backing private teams is the future rather than the old model of doing everything in-house.
Very well said. I would love to see TM align themselves with a private team. That would be awesome and would throw them in to the limelight amongst the big 4 and KTM.
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I don't see it happening. They use their pro racers/team mainly for R&D, not marketing. They sell every bike they make and they seem to have a good thing going.

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