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My son is most likely moving up from the mini class this year. I already have a KTM 125 ready for him (he bought himself with lawn mowing money). I too ride a 2-stroke (KTM 200) for both mx track and woods riding. I am 46 and this sure keeps the fun in it for me without the crazy expenses associated with running a 4-stroke.
DC had a question on the straight up 250 class racing... I would love to see it somehow. If anything, it sure would bring back more excitement and probably more technologies into the 2-stroke market. More people also might purchase which would result in more mfg participation in this market. Look what Ski-Doo is doing with their 2-stroke snowmobiles. Different technology for sure, but there must be some type of data to exchange between everyone. They are meeting & exceeding EPA regulations for sure.
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Which is more or less fair? An equal displacemnet rule that favors some, or a unequal displacement rule that favors some?
The truth is just what you said, millions have been spent on 4S R&D. Regardless of the reason that money will not be wasted by the factories.
The cc rules should be standardized between the pro and amateur classes. That's a large chunk of what makes people absolutely crazy on this topic. (Amendment: I'm not picking the current amateur rules OR the current pro rules...just that they should both be the same.)
Riders should be able to choose which bike works for them and their budget.
The 250 two-stroke/450 four-stroke formula was good when Yamaha first introduced their 400 based on the technology and history at the time, but as the four-stroke powerplant improved, it became too big a gap. It should have been amended.
I'm not sure that a smaller 250F (which would be wound even tighter than they are now) is the right answer to making 125s competitive again.
If ALL bikes were sound tested at wide open throttle, maximum rpm, four strokes would go away in a hurry.
Anyone who thinks two strokes can't be built in a fashion that hook up and get traction have never ridden a KTM 300 XCW.
To the guy who thinks four stroke favored tracks {faster}{and I agree, they do and, they are} make for more exciting racing,,,, go watch an Enduro X.
Rant officially over.
Giving up and coming pro's some middle ground and growing a 125cc class seems like a great idea. It doesn't hurt existing racing and opens up a slot for kids that still need more development time.
CC for CC has too much objection at this time due to economics if for no other reason--right now is not the time to fight that battle IMO.
Name one rider who will have the freedom to run a 2'stroke 250 and the unrecognized talent to put it up front?
It's a moot point.
How about reducing the numbers needed to qualify a bike for competition as well. Let's get some Husky's, TM's, and Gas Gas's on the line. Give them the same exception and let's see what develops.
I would like to see new developement happen with the two strokes though, just take a look at the two stroke marine engines and now the snowmobiles (Ski Doo E-Tec) and it is obvious that we could have a viable choice available to us. I would love to have a newly designed YZ300 two smoker with direct injection!
Not being a smart ass, just want to hear why changing the rules to allow larger two strokes now, is any different.
Oh-so THAT'S why it will never happen!
Why are folks like knowitalloveragainnovice AND DC so engrossed in what needs to be done for the OEMS and their factory riders while totally disregarding what would work for a good number of privateers who can't keep up with 4stroke expenses? The sport will continue to die a slow death unless that mentality is abandoned.
The Broc Tickle interview in this month's MXA has him stating he decided to go to the 450 class because he just didn't have the resources and money to compete in the 250 class on a 4 stroke.
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Having a 250F/250 two stroke rule for amateurs only isn't sufficient. Not enough sanctioning bodies will adopt the change - but everyone will follow AMA Pro.
There is no logical argument for four-strokes in motocross. Their increased expenses across the board have pushed the typical American family completely out of the sport. Motocross is already nearly an elitists-only sport.
No one seemed too concerned at the time about writing a rules package that pushed out two-strokes, yet suggesting something that might bring back some equality is blasphemous?
I wish they would consider the impact beyond their precious Pro series. The sport as a whole is on life support, and the cure starts with a few strokes of a pen.
Motocross is a kids' sport and if costs aren't corralled, there won't be many kids racing motocross anymore.
I vote to bring on a 125 support class and let 250 2 strokes compete against 250 4 strokes.
At least the local guy can go to his local National have have a chance without having to spend $$$ on a built 250F.
The proportion of OEM money subsidizing the sport seems to be diminishing, so maybe the day will come when the sanctioning body can tell them to pound sand, but I don't think it's there yet.
DC- you already have an examples of what will happen with equal displacement motocross racing. The Australian Pro series has the equal displacement rule and the two strokes are not dominating and the OEM’s have not run and hidden from them.
You also have had equal displacement on the AMA amateur level for a few years and it has not made the 4 stroke 250’s obsolete either.
So you are in the position to make yourself a hero in the eyes of the motocross world to work on having equal displacement in the upcoming MX Nationals, or…………..
That tells me the big four has little interest/money to put into motocross, since there's not enough bike being sold. Since motocross is running out of riders/bikebuyers they rely on energy drinks and german kitchen (Monster/Teka/redbull)
If they put their money somewhere else the FIM wolrd championship is out of financial partners. I can see both Youthstream and MX Sports having mainsponsors leaving them in a near future when attendance and interest for motocross drops when people can't afford it as a hobby anymore. Supercross may survive, but motocross as we know it will end up in a bad situation.
I prefere motocross in the 90's. Lot's of bikes were sold. They raced out of a van and were sponsored by comnpanies involved in racing. They didn't make millions but on the other hand they didn't have to pay to take part as pro's. Miniracing was really strong and in every school there were at least some kids who raced motocross without having parents that were rich. We took the wrong path when we went fourstroke.
Make it a race on the track again, not just a wallet race.
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