Chase Sexton back?

TheMilkman wrote:

Lewis, Kellen and Steve were just talking on the LVK podcast about Sexton being back this weekend like it was an absolute. I fully expect him...

Lewis, Kellen and Steve were just talking on the LVK podcast about Sexton being back this weekend like it was an absolute. I fully expect him to be there this weekend.

davistld01 wrote:

If Sexton did indeed come back for this weekends round…and won, this board would implode!

ando wrote:

This type of thing is part of the problem.  He’s been out for several rounds and all we get is a couple of cryptic social media...

This type of thing is part of the problem.  He’s been out for several rounds and all we get is a couple of cryptic social media posts.  It’s less than 3 days from race day and still nothing remotely concrete about whether he’s riding or not.

ando wrote:

This type of thing is part of the problem.  He’s been out for several rounds and all we get is a couple of cryptic social media...

This type of thing is part of the problem.  He’s been out for several rounds and all we get is a couple of cryptic social media posts.  It’s less than 3 days from race day and still nothing remotely concrete about whether he’s riding or not.

Spike33 wrote:

Agreed. This just makes him even more unlikable. On top of a therapist’s this dude needs a PR team. 

Spoonguy wrote:

Wasn't Keefer's whole theory of torquing bolts inaccurately on your bike to achieve certain flex characteristics completely debunked by several engineer types on this very forum...

Wasn't Keefer's whole theory of torquing bolts inaccurately on your bike to achieve certain flex characteristics completely debunked by several engineer types on this very forum? I am not saying he doesn't know how certain bikes perform well and where they don't, but he is no technician or engineer. Some of the dudes off color comments and innuendo on Pulp are cringe worthy too, he's like 50 and talking about women like a 13-year-old.

soggy wrote:

We’ve been waiting for the Billy @ Luxon vs Keefer test video for years. Sadly it doesn’t seem like it will ever happen. I don’t know what...

We’ve been waiting for the Billy @ Luxon vs Keefer test video for years. Sadly it doesn’t seem like it will ever happen. 

I don’t know what to believe. If keefer is doing some of these tests blind then it gives it more credibility. If he knows what’s being changed it could be placebo. 

engineers have commented the torque specs won’t affect anything when changing by a few pounds either direction, and they have some data to back it up, but maybe they aren’t looking for the right thing, or cant’t measure it properly?

Spoonguy wrote:

I doubt an engineer of proper education has any need to dignify unsuɓstantiated claims. The explanations I heard make perfect sense and was reaffirmed by engineers...

I doubt an engineer of proper education has any need to dignify unsuɓstantiated claims. The explanations I heard make perfect sense and was reaffirmed by engineers I know. If you have doubts no "tests" will sway your logic and would waste everyone's time I assume. Perception is indeed reality, isn't it?

soggy wrote:

We’ve been waiting for the Billy @ Luxon vs Keefer test video for years. Sadly it doesn’t seem like it will ever happen. I don’t know what...

We’ve been waiting for the Billy @ Luxon vs Keefer test video for years. Sadly it doesn’t seem like it will ever happen. 

I don’t know what to believe. If keefer is doing some of these tests blind then it gives it more credibility. If he knows what’s being changed it could be placebo. 

engineers have commented the torque specs won’t affect anything when changing by a few pounds either direction, and they have some data to back it up, but maybe they aren’t looking for the right thing, or cant’t measure it properly?

Spoonguy wrote:

I doubt an engineer of proper education has any need to dignify unsuɓstantiated claims. The explanations I heard make perfect sense and was reaffirmed by engineers...

I doubt an engineer of proper education has any need to dignify unsuɓstantiated claims. The explanations I heard make perfect sense and was reaffirmed by engineers I know. If you have doubts no "tests" will sway your logic and would waste everyone's time I assume. Perception is indeed reality, isn't it?

soggy wrote:

All I know is what’s on paper doesn’t always translate to what’s felt on track. All the talk of stiff vs forgiving chassis’s the last few years...

All I know is what’s on paper doesn’t always translate to what’s felt on track. 

All the talk of stiff vs forgiving chassis’s the last few years is proof. The Honda chassis felt stiff but it was actually one of the softer options across the OEM’s. 

It would be fun to see Billy change or not change things and get Kris’s feedback. Nothing to gain for keefer to do it though. 

Spoonguy wrote:

I doubt an engineer of proper education has any need to dignify unsuɓstantiated claims. The explanations I heard make perfect sense and was reaffirmed by engineers...

I doubt an engineer of proper education has any need to dignify unsuɓstantiated claims. The explanations I heard make perfect sense and was reaffirmed by engineers I know. If you have doubts no "tests" will sway your logic and would waste everyone's time I assume. Perception is indeed reality, isn't it?

soggy wrote:

All I know is what’s on paper doesn’t always translate to what’s felt on track. All the talk of stiff vs forgiving chassis’s the last few years...

All I know is what’s on paper doesn’t always translate to what’s felt on track. 

All the talk of stiff vs forgiving chassis’s the last few years is proof. The Honda chassis felt stiff but it was actually one of the softer options across the OEM’s. 

It would be fun to see Billy change or not change things and get Kris’s feedback. Nothing to gain for keefer to do it though. 

Spoonguy wrote:

It seems doubting facts and actual science now is a thing, I understand totally. Dirt bikes certainly are an inexact science of course, a lot of...

It seems doubting facts and actual science now is a thing, I understand totally. Dirt bikes certainly are an inexact science of course, a lot of it is feel. I don't know if taking bike set up advice from a gentlemen like Keefer who espouses the joy of masturbating and objectifying women publicly and often is a real source of valid information though. Just seems strange.

soggy wrote:

All I know is what’s on paper doesn’t always translate to what’s felt on track. All the talk of stiff vs forgiving chassis’s the last few years...

All I know is what’s on paper doesn’t always translate to what’s felt on track. 

All the talk of stiff vs forgiving chassis’s the last few years is proof. The Honda chassis felt stiff but it was actually one of the softer options across the OEM’s. 

It would be fun to see Billy change or not change things and get Kris’s feedback. Nothing to gain for keefer to do it though. 

Spoonguy wrote:

It seems doubting facts and actual science now is a thing, I understand totally. Dirt bikes certainly are an inexact science of course, a lot of...

It seems doubting facts and actual science now is a thing, I understand totally. Dirt bikes certainly are an inexact science of course, a lot of it is feel. I don't know if taking bike set up advice from a gentlemen like Keefer who espouses the joy of masturbating and objectifying women publicly and often is a real source of valid information though. Just seems strange.

Jub wrote:

Keefer makes a living giving his opinion on dirtbikes and how they feel. That doesn't mean that everything he says is right but acting like what...

Keefer makes a living giving his opinion on dirtbikes and how they feel. That doesn't mean that everything he says is right but acting like what an engineer says is the end-all-be-all is very dumb. If that were the case, riders on the same teams would have nearly identical setups with changes just for weight and maybe somewhat riding style. But if engineering and science is the end-all-be-all, they should have a riding style to perfectly adapt to the perfectly engineered bike. There's a reason why these guys test so much and often, things may be counter-intuitive to how you would expect that they would effect the bike's behavior.

It seems that you hate Keefer and, therefore, you discredit everything he says. Maybe you even think the opposite. There are plenty of people who are really good at their field but are very stupid in others and even in their personal lives. Ever listen to celebrities, actors, and athletes talk about their political opinions or how they run their lives? Mostly ridiculous and stupid....

ando wrote:

This type of thing is part of the problem.  He’s been out for several rounds and all we get is a couple of cryptic social media...

This type of thing is part of the problem.  He’s been out for several rounds and all we get is a couple of cryptic social media posts.  It’s less than 3 days from race day and still nothing remotely concrete about whether he’s riding or not.

soggy wrote:

All I know is what’s on paper doesn’t always translate to what’s felt on track. All the talk of stiff vs forgiving chassis’s the last few years...

All I know is what’s on paper doesn’t always translate to what’s felt on track. 

All the talk of stiff vs forgiving chassis’s the last few years is proof. The Honda chassis felt stiff but it was actually one of the softer options across the OEM’s. 

It would be fun to see Billy change or not change things and get Kris’s feedback. Nothing to gain for keefer to do it though. 

Spoonguy wrote:

It seems doubting facts and actual science now is a thing, I understand totally. Dirt bikes certainly are an inexact science of course, a lot of...

It seems doubting facts and actual science now is a thing, I understand totally. Dirt bikes certainly are an inexact science of course, a lot of it is feel. I don't know if taking bike set up advice from a gentlemen like Keefer who espouses the joy of masturbating and objectifying women publicly and often is a real source of valid information though. Just seems strange.

Jub wrote:

Keefer makes a living giving his opinion on dirtbikes and how they feel. That doesn't mean that everything he says is right but acting like what...

Keefer makes a living giving his opinion on dirtbikes and how they feel. That doesn't mean that everything he says is right but acting like what an engineer says is the end-all-be-all is very dumb. If that were the case, riders on the same teams would have nearly identical setups with changes just for weight and maybe somewhat riding style. But if engineering and science is the end-all-be-all, they should have a riding style to perfectly adapt to the perfectly engineered bike. There's a reason why these guys test so much and often, things may be counter-intuitive to how you would expect that they would effect the bike's behavior.

It seems that you hate Keefer and, therefore, you discredit everything he says. Maybe you even think the opposite. There are plenty of people who are really good at their field but are very stupid in others and even in their personal lives. Ever listen to celebrities, actors, and athletes talk about their political opinions or how they run their lives? Mostly ridiculous and stupid....

ando wrote:

This type of thing is part of the problem.  He’s been out for several rounds and all we get is a couple of cryptic social media...

This type of thing is part of the problem.  He’s been out for several rounds and all we get is a couple of cryptic social media posts.  It’s less than 3 days from race day and still nothing remotely concrete about whether he’s riding or not.

TheMilkman wrote:

Several rounds? He missed Daytona and Indy. 2 is a couple, several is 5-7. 

ando wrote:

This type of thing is part of the problem.  He’s been out for several rounds and all we get is a couple of cryptic social media...

This type of thing is part of the problem.  He’s been out for several rounds and all we get is a couple of cryptic social media posts.  It’s less than 3 days from race day and still nothing remotely concrete about whether he’s riding or not.

TheMilkman wrote:

Several rounds? He missed Daytona and Indy. 2 is a couple, several is 5-7. 

ando wrote:

This type of thing is part of the problem.  He’s been out for several rounds and all we get is a couple of cryptic social media...

This type of thing is part of the problem.  He’s been out for several rounds and all we get is a couple of cryptic social media posts.  It’s less than 3 days from race day and still nothing remotely concrete about whether he’s riding or not.

TheMilkman wrote:

Several rounds? He missed Daytona and Indy. 2 is a couple, several is 5-7. 

ando wrote:

Cool.  Can you give us a definition for “banged up” as well?

soggy wrote:

All I know is what’s on paper doesn’t always translate to what’s felt on track. All the talk of stiff vs forgiving chassis’s the last few years...

All I know is what’s on paper doesn’t always translate to what’s felt on track. 

All the talk of stiff vs forgiving chassis’s the last few years is proof. The Honda chassis felt stiff but it was actually one of the softer options across the OEM’s. 

It would be fun to see Billy change or not change things and get Kris’s feedback. Nothing to gain for keefer to do it though. 

Spoonguy wrote:

It seems doubting facts and actual science now is a thing, I understand totally. Dirt bikes certainly are an inexact science of course, a lot of...

It seems doubting facts and actual science now is a thing, I understand totally. Dirt bikes certainly are an inexact science of course, a lot of it is feel. I don't know if taking bike set up advice from a gentlemen like Keefer who espouses the joy of masturbating and objectifying women publicly and often is a real source of valid information though. Just seems strange.

Jub wrote:

Keefer makes a living giving his opinion on dirtbikes and how they feel. That doesn't mean that everything he says is right but acting like what...

Keefer makes a living giving his opinion on dirtbikes and how they feel. That doesn't mean that everything he says is right but acting like what an engineer says is the end-all-be-all is very dumb. If that were the case, riders on the same teams would have nearly identical setups with changes just for weight and maybe somewhat riding style. But if engineering and science is the end-all-be-all, they should have a riding style to perfectly adapt to the perfectly engineered bike. There's a reason why these guys test so much and often, things may be counter-intuitive to how you would expect that they would effect the bike's behavior.

It seems that you hate Keefer and, therefore, you discredit everything he says. Maybe you even think the opposite. There are plenty of people who are really good at their field but are very stupid in others and even in their personal lives. Ever listen to celebrities, actors, and athletes talk about their political opinions or how they run their lives? Mostly ridiculous and stupid....

ando wrote:

This type of thing is part of the problem.  He’s been out for several rounds and all we get is a couple of cryptic social media...

This type of thing is part of the problem.  He’s been out for several rounds and all we get is a couple of cryptic social media posts.  It’s less than 3 days from race day and still nothing remotely concrete about whether he’s riding or not.

Spike33 wrote:

Agreed. This just makes him even more unlikable. On top of a therapist’s this dude needs a PR team. 

dura max wrote:

And less time at the hair salon..........

Spike33 wrote:

Agreed. This just makes him even more unlikable. On top of a therapist’s this dude needs a PR team. 

dura max wrote:

And less time at the hair salon..........

TAUTOG wrote:

you mad bro?

you mad bro?

Spoonguy wrote:

It seems doubting facts and actual science now is a thing, I understand totally. Dirt bikes certainly are an inexact science of course, a lot of...

It seems doubting facts and actual science now is a thing, I understand totally. Dirt bikes certainly are an inexact science of course, a lot of it is feel. I don't know if taking bike set up advice from a gentlemen like Keefer who espouses the joy of masturbating and objectifying women publicly and often is a real source of valid information though. Just seems strange.

Jub wrote:

Keefer makes a living giving his opinion on dirtbikes and how they feel. That doesn't mean that everything he says is right but acting like what...

Keefer makes a living giving his opinion on dirtbikes and how they feel. That doesn't mean that everything he says is right but acting like what an engineer says is the end-all-be-all is very dumb. If that were the case, riders on the same teams would have nearly identical setups with changes just for weight and maybe somewhat riding style. But if engineering and science is the end-all-be-all, they should have a riding style to perfectly adapt to the perfectly engineered bike. There's a reason why these guys test so much and often, things may be counter-intuitive to how you would expect that they would effect the bike's behavior.

It seems that you hate Keefer and, therefore, you discredit everything he says. Maybe you even think the opposite. There are plenty of people who are really good at their field but are very stupid in others and even in their personal lives. Ever listen to celebrities, actors, and athletes talk about their political opinions or how they run their lives? Mostly ridiculous and stupid....

Tyler D wrote:

Unless keefer is comparing and testing modulus ratings of various fastener materials, fking around with torque values in a single material is just ridiculously silly. Even...

Unless keefer is comparing and testing modulus ratings of various fastener materials, fking around with torque values in a single material is just ridiculously silly. Even then, fastener stretch of any kind is generally not a thing and not positive when it occurs. The washer thing on the clamp bolts is some wild shit. 

 

There are different planes of flex and different frequencies at which media flexes. It's just not as one dimensional as it's discussed. Keefers cool and I love that often feel will tell you more than any instrument, but he/they would do well to ground their stuff in some sort of theory. Other motorsports do. 

soggy wrote:

We’ve been waiting for the Billy @ Luxon vs Keefer test video for years. Sadly it doesn’t seem like it will ever happen. I don’t know what...

We’ve been waiting for the Billy @ Luxon vs Keefer test video for years. Sadly it doesn’t seem like it will ever happen. 

I don’t know what to believe. If keefer is doing some of these tests blind then it gives it more credibility. If he knows what’s being changed it could be placebo. 

engineers have commented the torque specs won’t affect anything when changing by a few pounds either direction, and they have some data to back it up, but maybe they aren’t looking for the right thing, or cant’t measure it properly?

Spoonguy wrote:

I doubt an engineer of proper education has any need to dignify unsuɓstantiated claims. The explanations I heard make perfect sense and was reaffirmed by engineers...

I doubt an engineer of proper education has any need to dignify unsuɓstantiated claims. The explanations I heard make perfect sense and was reaffirmed by engineers I know. If you have doubts no "tests" will sway your logic and would waste everyone's time I assume. Perception is indeed reality, isn't it?

soggy wrote:

All I know is what’s on paper doesn’t always translate to what’s felt on track. All the talk of stiff vs forgiving chassis’s the last few years...

All I know is what’s on paper doesn’t always translate to what’s felt on track. 

All the talk of stiff vs forgiving chassis’s the last few years is proof. The Honda chassis felt stiff but it was actually one of the softer options across the OEM’s. 

It would be fun to see Billy change or not change things and get Kris’s feedback. Nothing to gain for keefer to do it though. 

davistld01 wrote:

If Sexton did indeed come back for this weekends round…and won, this board would implode!

Jub wrote:

Keefer makes a living giving his opinion on dirtbikes and how they feel. That doesn't mean that everything he says is right but acting like what...

Keefer makes a living giving his opinion on dirtbikes and how they feel. That doesn't mean that everything he says is right but acting like what an engineer says is the end-all-be-all is very dumb. If that were the case, riders on the same teams would have nearly identical setups with changes just for weight and maybe somewhat riding style. But if engineering and science is the end-all-be-all, they should have a riding style to perfectly adapt to the perfectly engineered bike. There's a reason why these guys test so much and often, things may be counter-intuitive to how you would expect that they would effect the bike's behavior.

It seems that you hate Keefer and, therefore, you discredit everything he says. Maybe you even think the opposite. There are plenty of people who are really good at their field but are very stupid in others and even in their personal lives. Ever listen to celebrities, actors, and athletes talk about their political opinions or how they run their lives? Mostly ridiculous and stupid....

Tyler D wrote:

Unless keefer is comparing and testing modulus ratings of various fastener materials, fking around with torque values in a single material is just ridiculously silly. Even...

Unless keefer is comparing and testing modulus ratings of various fastener materials, fking around with torque values in a single material is just ridiculously silly. Even then, fastener stretch of any kind is generally not a thing and not positive when it occurs. The washer thing on the clamp bolts is some wild shit. 

 

There are different planes of flex and different frequencies at which media flexes. It's just not as one dimensional as it's discussed. Keefers cool and I love that often feel will tell you more than any instrument, but he/they would do well to ground their stuff in some sort of theory. Other motorsports do. 

MrMoto wrote:

Well put, and accurate.Keefer is very hard to listen to: seriously over-evaluates bikes made to race on DIRT.   Especially his dumb F bombs, as if...

Well put, and accurate.

Keefer is very hard to listen to: seriously over-evaluates bikes made to race on DIRT.   Especially his dumb F bombs, as if he just learned the word.

Of Note: he thought Hot-Start levers were Compression-release levers...  up until a year ago....

 

Tyler D wrote:

Unless keefer is comparing and testing modulus ratings of various fastener materials, fking around with torque values in a single material is just ridiculously silly. Even...

Unless keefer is comparing and testing modulus ratings of various fastener materials, fking around with torque values in a single material is just ridiculously silly. Even then, fastener stretch of any kind is generally not a thing and not positive when it occurs. The washer thing on the clamp bolts is some wild shit. 

 

There are different planes of flex and different frequencies at which media flexes. It's just not as one dimensional as it's discussed. Keefers cool and I love that often feel will tell you more than any instrument, but he/they would do well to ground their stuff in some sort of theory. Other motorsports do. 

MrMoto wrote:

Well put, and accurate.Keefer is very hard to listen to: seriously over-evaluates bikes made to race on DIRT.   Especially his dumb F bombs, as if...

Well put, and accurate.

Keefer is very hard to listen to: seriously over-evaluates bikes made to race on DIRT.   Especially his dumb F bombs, as if he just learned the word.

Of Note: he thought Hot-Start levers were Compression-release levers...  up until a year ago....

 

The Wolf Man wrote:

Queefer...

Queefer...

WhatsStoppingU wrote:

Based on what’s been put out the past couple days on some podcasts, Sexton is OUT for Birmingham.  Just getting back to the original thread topic.

WhatsStoppingU wrote:

Based on what’s been put out the past couple days on some podcasts, Sexton is OUT for Birmingham.  Just getting back to the original thread topic.

DonM wrote:

As I said earlier in this thread…Chase just got back on the bike Tuesday and will not be racing at Birmingham.