Why is Freise getting sh!t for Tomac jumping into him?

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Tomac jumps as far into Vince , as much as 

Vince comes over on him. 

If Eli stays wide, he misses him no problem. 

This is just 2 guys ending up where the ruts threw them, nothing else.

 

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philG wrote:
Tomac jumps as far into Vince , as much as Vince comes over on him. If Eli stays wide, he misses him no problem. This is just 2 guys...

Tomac jumps as far into Vince , as much as 

Vince comes over on him. 

If Eli stays wide, he misses him no problem. 

This is just 2 guys ending up where the ruts threw them, nothing else.

 

I dig most of your takes, Phil, but I gotta disagree with you on this one.  Freise literally went from the right all the way over to the left.  Tomac had a rut grab that threw him a bit off balance, but he's not at fault here.

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Tomac wasn’t a lap down, Phil. Get a clue.

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Also he wasn't "off balance" until he saw clown show Vincent jumping into his line. 

This wasn't a racing incident.

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Come on Phil. Be better. 

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Elite level 450 riders that are contending for the most premier championship in motocross shouldn't have to put up with this shit.

 

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Dumbest thing I've read today. And I've been on the internet a lot

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Yeah if you're serious this is a bad take....

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We have a place called the Dumbgeon...and this really does belong there.

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philG wrote:
Tomac jumps as far into Vince , as much as Vince comes over on him. If Eli stays wide, he misses him no problem. This is just 2 guys...

Tomac jumps as far into Vince , as much as 

Vince comes over on him. 

If Eli stays wide, he misses him no problem. 

This is just 2 guys ending up where the ruts threw them, nothing else.

 

Oh Phil did you forget your glasses….Magoo 0

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I agree honestly. If it wasn’t Vince it wouldn’t be talked about as much . I’m not saying it’s tomacs fault. But they both veered over into each other clear as day. Vince def needs to be a better lapper tho.  

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xBoom169 wrote:
I agree honestly. If it wasn’t Vince it wouldn’t be talked about as much . I’m not saying it’s tomacs fault. But they both veered over...

I agree honestly. If it wasn’t Vince it wouldn’t be talked about as much . I’m not saying it’s tomacs fault. But they both veered over into each other clear as day. Vince def needs to be a better lapper tho.  

Moranz. Thompson. Harrison. It's talked about no matter who it is. Try again.

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I guess people have a bit of FDS. 

I have watched that clip 10 times, and its a nothing burger for blame.  Its not great for either guy , but there is nothing there to apportion blame . 

Its OK to say 'Eli got pitched by the rut' but not the same for Vince, who is also dealing with Moranz ( i think ) in front of him ending up off the track. 

Friese is in the middle and goes left, Tomac is all the way to the left  ,and goes right. they meet in the middle. And Tomac went left from the previous jump, to the far left , and then came back. 

If you cant see that , i cant help you. 

Not saying there isnt a problem, but for that one, WTF do you expect the guy to do , when he is in the top 15? 

 

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philG wrote:
Tomac jumps as far into Vince , as much as Vince comes over on him. If Eli stays wide, he misses him no problem. This is just 2 guys...

Tomac jumps as far into Vince , as much as 

Vince comes over on him. 

If Eli stays wide, he misses him no problem. 

This is just 2 guys ending up where the ruts threw them, nothing else.

 

DonM wrote:
Oh Phil did you forget your glasses….

Oh Phil did you forget your glasses….Magoo 0

You clearly did. 

Watch it again.50/50. 

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He was a lap down.  He should have been sprinting to get OUT OF THE WAY!

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Didn't you know that Vince Freise caused the Japanese to bomb pearl harbor and the great San Francisco earthquake and the space shuttle to explode and hundreds of other disasters, he's that damn evil.

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He was a lap down.  He should have been sprinting to get OUT OF THE WAY!

Have you thought maybe he was ? 

He looked back in the the turn to see who was there. 

I swear 90% of you have never raced in your life. 

 

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I just wanna know why KR isn't getting any shit for jumping into AP.

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He was a lap down.  He should have been sprinting to get OUT OF THE WAY!

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Have you thought maybe he was ? He looked back in the the turn to see who was there. I swear 90% of you have never raced in...

Have you thought maybe he was ? 

He looked back in the the turn to see who was there. 

I swear 90% of you have never raced in your life. 

 

Retard take

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He was a lap down.  He should have been sprinting to get OUT OF THE WAY!

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Have you thought maybe he was ? He looked back in the the turn to see who was there. I swear 90% of you have never raced in...

Have you thought maybe he was ? 

He looked back in the the turn to see who was there. 

I swear 90% of you have never raced in your life. 

 

So he looked back, saw who was coming after JCoop the leader passed him, with blue flags waving, and still decided to pull the trigger on the triple, while moving across the track mid air… in what way isn’t this his fault? Even if he was on the lead lap that would be an egregious cross jump. But he wasn’t. And he sure as shit wasn’t getting out of the way. 

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Nairb#70 wrote:

I just wanna know why KR isn't getting any shit for jumping into AP.

Technically speaking, AP jumped onto KR.

Reason Friese is getting heat and KR isn't...

1. Friese was a lapper in his situation; KR was battling for position with the top end of the field.

2. Friese cross jumped, which he does commonly. That's a huge no-go in the eyes of riders and fans alike. Roczen clipped the off on the on-off, lost drive, and wasn't able to triple the rhythm.

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philG wrote:
I guess people have a bit of FDS. I have watched that clip 10 times, and its a nothing burger for blame.  Its not great for either...

I guess people have a bit of FDS. 

I have watched that clip 10 times, and its a nothing burger for blame.  Its not great for either guy , but there is nothing there to apportion blame . 

Its OK to say 'Eli got pitched by the rut' but not the same for Vince, who is also dealing with Moranz ( i think ) in front of him ending up off the track. 

Friese is in the middle and goes left, Tomac is all the way to the left  ,and goes right. they meet in the middle. And Tomac went left from the previous jump, to the far left , and then came back. 

If you cant see that , i cant help you. 

Not saying there isnt a problem, but for that one, WTF do you expect the guy to do , when he is in the top 15? 

 

Watch it again without your contrarian glasses on then.

He didn't get pitched by the rut, he was course correcting in the air because Vince is a retard and thinks he owns the track no matter what lap he's on.

There are PLENTY of guys who get lapped every week and never get talked about because getting out of the way isn't rocket science. 

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philG wrote:
Tomac jumps as far into Vince , as much as Vince comes over on him. If Eli stays wide, he misses him no problem. This is just 2 guys...

Tomac jumps as far into Vince , as much as 

Vince comes over on him. 

If Eli stays wide, he misses him no problem. 

This is just 2 guys ending up where the ruts threw them, nothing else.

 

DonM wrote:
Oh Phil did you forget your glasses….

Oh Phil did you forget your glasses….Magoo 0

philG wrote:

You clearly did. 

Watch it again.50/50. 

I have and what I see is Friese going right to left big time while being lapped and Eli shifting his weight trying to avoid contact…Just waiting on the cross jumping competition between Friese and Prado….take the loss and move on you are very wrong on this one…

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ML512 wrote:

We have a place called the Dumbgeon...and this really does belong there.

No let it ride. Phil needs to wear this one

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philG wrote:
Tomac jumps as far into Vince , as much as Vince comes over on him. If Eli stays wide, he misses him no problem. This is just 2 guys...

Tomac jumps as far into Vince , as much as 

Vince comes over on him. 

If Eli stays wide, he misses him no problem. 

This is just 2 guys ending up where the ruts threw them, nothing else.

 

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i said this too in the benchracing thread. people let the fact it's vince cloud their judgement. if it was malcolm or anstie, people would be defending the guy. 

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i said this too in the benchracing thread. people let the fact it's vince cloud their judgement. if it was malcolm or anstie, people would be...

i said this too in the benchracing thread. people let the fact it's vince cloud their judgement. if it was malcolm or anstie, people would be defending the guy. 

Good to see there are people able to see what is plainly obvious.  

Does Vince go left , yes he does, does Tomac go right, yes he does,  are lappers a problem, yes they are , can you expect a guy racing for 15th to have eyes in the back of his head, no you cant. 

Are people refusing to admit what their own eyes have just watched.  Seems to me they are. 

 

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Tyler D wrote:
i said this too in the benchracing thread. people let the fact it's vince cloud their judgement. if it was malcolm or anstie, people would be...

i said this too in the benchracing thread. people let the fact it's vince cloud their judgement. if it was malcolm or anstie, people would be defending the guy. 

philG wrote:
Good to see there are people able to see what is plainly obvious.  Does Vince go left , yes he does, does Tomac go right, yes...

Good to see there are people able to see what is plainly obvious.  

Does Vince go left , yes he does, does Tomac go right, yes he does,  are lappers a problem, yes they are , can you expect a guy racing for 15th to have eyes in the back of his head, no you cant. 

Are people refusing to admit what their own eyes have just watched.  Seems to me they are. 

 

But you just said Vince looked back to see who was coming...

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ML512 wrote:
Technically speaking, AP jumped onto KR.Reason Friese is getting heat and KR isn't...1. Friese was a lapper in his situation; KR was battling for position with...

Technically speaking, AP jumped onto KR.

Reason Friese is getting heat and KR isn't...

1. Friese was a lapper in his situation; KR was battling for position with the top end of the field.

2. Friese cross jumped, which he does commonly. That's a huge no-go in the eyes of riders and fans alike. Roczen clipped the off on the on-off, lost drive, and wasn't able to triple the rhythm.

Technically Kenny brake checked AP....just saying, lol. The end people go to push their opinon, this place reminds me of CNN VS Fox. 

 

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