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Let me tell you about this great sport called SX. The fastest racers in the world duke it out to see who’s best. But WAIT there’s a wildcard called lappers that have already been beaten in the race but if they decide to get in the way or ignore race direction they can totally change the outcome! Hell yea that sounds like a sick sport where the 15th best guy can decide the winner.
Once the leader laps you, you ought to expect others to follow in short order. The notion that after all these years he can't anticipate this is INSANE. He was reckless and came ever so close to killing Eli's race/career by not fucking paying attention or giving a shit. I can appreciate he is a good rider, but it is always him-the truest of constants. It can't be a coincidence any longer. I mean fuck he is one of the most experienced riders out there. There is just no excuse for him to not know his place on the grid. Sure, race your peers hard, but the top 10 guys are not your peers.
Dude, that’s a really good one. 👍🏻…….BRAVO!😂
You’re right💯….. 😳
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Man, I would love to get a beer with you
Ever heard of this sport called Nascar? Stupidest sport in the world, lappers are a big deal of strategy in it dealing with them.
But let me tell you about this great sport called SX. You're saying the guy who got 13th 15-15-12 doesn't deserve to be out there. Sounds like a joke of a small sport. Sounds like a bunch of wussies if people are upset the 13-21st best guys in the world for this sport cause issues. Sounds like a sport with no chance of growing
I am with you 100%, but why would Vince give a shit about Eli or Hunter?
There is this constant thing about pecking order and respect -- I agree with 2 rounds left and a title fight.
Vince's (or any other lapper) bonus program from his team or sponsors can be top 10s, 12s, could just be Kawi contingency, why do I give a shit if Eli gets another bag when I am in a death battle for putting food on my table? I may be getting lapped but I am also racing for a living
He should receive a strongly worded letter.
That'll show him.
Not much going to hurt a 38 year old racer. He likely seen every beat down, keeps returning. Fact that he still racing, qualifying for finals says lots about his competition whom don’t qualify. Reality is that top 5 guys are faster than everyone else. Friese is like the joker ( wild card), part of the game, to get buy him. There has always been a joker in sx. Some guys handle them better. Some not so. You can always complain about lapped if you are one fast guys. However it’s added obstacle you need to overcome. Eli complaining is nonsense. This is racing. You learned this racing 80’s.
Thirty-five.
If Friese is negative on ama points at the end of the year, will he had to pay feld purse money? 🤣🤣🤣
thats cool and all but when the big blue flag is being waved at you get out of the way like everyone else.
On SX tracks, lappers become a real hazard. How often do we see guys get off the side of the track to get out of the way? They are no longer racing at that point. It's time for the blue flag to represent take the finish and pull off. Once you get lapped, your position should be set and that's the end of the race for you. Outdoors is different with bigger tracks and more room.
This thread is damn near a carbon copy of every Vince Friese thread that’s ever been started on Vital since Vince has been doing Vince things. He has no qualms about dirty riding, and really seems to do it for the sheer attention grab that it provides him. He’s never gotten any real punishment for it other than a “stern letter of warning”, so he has no real motivation to quit endangering riders on the track with him.
It’s never going to end, sadly.
Exactly, its really not even vinces fault at this point. The guy is retarded and a hazard to every rider on the track, that is a set in stone fact, the fact that the ama does absolutely nothing about it is where the problem lies.
If you stole a donut from the shop every single weekend for 20 years and ppl just complained but the shop never pressed charges at that point its the shops fault. Where is bogle, hes not afraid to go a lap down and give out some punishment when need be.
My best response to your well constructed counterpoint is that Vince obeying the blue flags and having a general awareness of his position is part of being a pro, and I presume he would also know that at Indy the lap times are short so they leaders will be coming through the pack into lapped riders that much faster. Him taking the 1-2 seconds to give Eli the right of way safely is not going to prevent him from making his bank like you mentioned. Also, he should give a shit, as a professional, just generally.
Jokes aside though, that stupid license penalty point system needs a complete overhaul. In its current state it is absolutely useless. When riders like Friese can do this shit every single week and the only thing they have to worry about is a 15 championship point penalty towards the end of the season which would drop him from 18th to 20th in the standings (wow) and a written warning. The idea isn't bad, but these points need to hurt. Make it 5-8 licensed penalty points per incident and a big fine + 20-30 championship points once you reach 15. Or just ban this guy from the series, that would work too.
Yes NASCAR is one of the dumbest sports. You want to be more like them? The only portion of the Daytona 509 worth watching is the final lap. Some sporting event.
Lappers deserves to be out there as long as they aren’t not impeding the leaders. Look at F1 as an example.
Okay, so 1st place has to deal with the guy, even worse if it's a meathead like Vince, and then everyone else just gets to race a clean track. Suppose that's one way to handicap the leader (maybe literally if Friese's involved) and keep it close.
Seems to me the biggest issues here are riders ignoring flags in general and track designs that cause more of them to be lapped, and make it harder for leaders to get by them. Seems like both should be solvable problems without reducing the rider count. Of course the AMA is kind of a joke when it comes to enforcing their own rulebook and probably thinks a WWE heel on track is good for business, so expect nothing to be resolved.
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What if you have to finish top 3 in points in order to “graduate” into the 450 class..? Would this work?
Brotards - hear me out.
If it was smooth sailing to the finish line, this would not be a sport.
Navigating spode lappers is a necessary part of the risk vs reward equation.
Leave lappers alone. Just allow them to be subject to beat downs now and again, when it feels right.
Friese is like the Banana feature on Mario kart.
15th place never determines the winner. The winner navigates it better. I wanted Tomac to win last night, but Hunter gapped him in Race 3 by getting through that pack of lappers better. Lappers are part of almost all motorsports and it adds to the battles.
Friese is a tool, but we do not know his intent with that cross jump. Maybe he did cross rut, but seems it is always him.
I agree.
All the teams need to get together their team heads ala “The Godfather”. Then all agree that their rider having the worst night and out of the championship drive Freise’s ass off the track… repeatedly if necessary.
Unfortunately that cat will continue being an idiot or an ass, take your pick, until he can’t make money doing it anymore.
At 75 years young there is no class for me and most races, perhaps there is 60+ class or there isn't. It is usually the 50 class or an open class. So I give it my best shot and let awareness be my guide. So I tend to keep to the right. Yes there are times I use the whole track. Staying right is the default. Lappers is SX to need to be out there, they just need stay right by default when the leaders start lapping. Perhaps there (not used) green light should turn yellow when the leaders are near.
Yea 99.9% of lappers are respectful and follow the rules. Everyone makes a mistake sometimes but for the most part they do a good job. Vince on the other hand goes out of his way to fuck as many ppl as possible.
Seems no one is willing to give Mr. Eyeliner some well deserved elbow grease.
davistld01 "It’s never going to end, sadly." Until it ends badly. Vince and Eli, WAY to close.....
I was thinking about this yesterday. How has someone at his level stayed in the top 20 of supercross for so long. He got a 12th in one of them mains. Like the guy is getting rides and results that others would envy. He just seems immortal at this point.
Like I saw Friese trying to race these guys when they were approaching him. Kind of just held my breath when they were passing him. It is crazy that he is allowed to race. Nor has one of these riders just lost their mind physically with him. (Without gear on). Not saying they should. But seriously he is a dangerous part of most races.
Hell yeah
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