The bikes that could have been

In light of the long awaited Kawasaki smoker (that actually is going to come out allegedly) I find myself looking back to the YZ150F. I remember seeing this beauty in MXA when I was 12 years old and drooling over it for months. A few years later the CRF150R comes out and it’s a bit lackluster, didn’t matter to me though as I was already on big bikes. 

The YZ was one I always dreamed of riding….

What bikes can you recall that never happened? 

image 548.jpeg?VersionId=7SWoJU5JEaXf5YT1XZx.uG

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In light of the long awaited Kawasaki smoker (that actually is going to come out allegedly) I find myself looking back to the YZ150F. I remember...

In light of the long awaited Kawasaki smoker (that actually is going to come out allegedly) I find myself looking back to the YZ150F. I remember seeing this beauty in MXA when I was 12 years old and drooling over it for months. A few years later the CRF150R comes out and it’s a bit lackluster, didn’t matter to me though as I was already on big bikes. 

The YZ was one I always dreamed of riding….

What bikes can you recall that never happened? 

image 548.jpeg?VersionId=7SWoJU5JEaXf5YT1XZx.uG

Doug Dubach’s kid had one they did a lot of testing on. 

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In light of the long awaited Kawasaki smoker (that actually is going to come out allegedly) I find myself looking back to the YZ150F. I remember...

In light of the long awaited Kawasaki smoker (that actually is going to come out allegedly) I find myself looking back to the YZ150F. I remember seeing this beauty in MXA when I was 12 years old and drooling over it for months. A few years later the CRF150R comes out and it’s a bit lackluster, didn’t matter to me though as I was already on big bikes. 

The YZ was one I always dreamed of riding….

What bikes can you recall that never happened? 

image 548.jpeg?VersionId=7SWoJU5JEaXf5YT1XZx.uG

Doug Dubach’s kid had one they did a lot of testing on. 

I would have done a lot of things I’m not proud of to ride it!!!!

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It’s my understanding Yamaha developed a 150f but didn’t bring it to market because the AMA wouldn’t give them the green light to race it in the 85 class.

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3/7/2026 11:42pm Edited Date/Time 3/8/2026 12:54am

A few that come to mind:

1971 Monoshock produced by Lucien Tilkens for Suzuki years before he sold the design to Yamaha

1971-suzuki-monshock.jpeg?VersionId=F9nmrReprTA.BbO

 

1988 YZM500, Yamaha's liquid cooled big bore early-aluminum framed monster:
1988 YZM500 0W83



Buell/Harley 450 motocrosser:
buell-right-side.jpg?VersionId=HOUi693yrtWL.sPzUIZs

 

The aluminum KTM prototype frame:
MXPERTS-KTM-ALUMINUM-FRAME 0

 

Ossa Enduro 250i reverse-engine crankcase-injected 2-stroke:

C2A9 ossa enduro-001

 

Mugen/Honda Erex/Electric CR that we have seen pop up in various forms at trade shows and Japan nationals for nearly a decade now:

2019 E-REX F

 

All the 125 twins everyone was toying with before they were banned:
504531984 18506910370041253 5479278738211150691 n515486209 10159863455924649 921663309950389364 n40584482 2636724983220091 678868668314025984 nYAMAHA-TA125-TWIN-2205

 

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A few that come to mind:1971 Monoshock produced by Lucien Tilkens for Suzuki years before he sold the design to Yamaha 1988 YZM500, Yamaha's liquid cooled...

A few that come to mind:

1971 Monoshock produced by Lucien Tilkens for Suzuki years before he sold the design to Yamaha

1971-suzuki-monshock.jpeg?VersionId=F9nmrReprTA.BbO

 

1988 YZM500, Yamaha's liquid cooled big bore early-aluminum framed monster:
1988 YZM500 0W83



Buell/Harley 450 motocrosser:
buell-right-side.jpg?VersionId=HOUi693yrtWL.sPzUIZs

 

The aluminum KTM prototype frame:
MXPERTS-KTM-ALUMINUM-FRAME 0

 

Ossa Enduro 250i reverse-engine crankcase-injected 2-stroke:

C2A9 ossa enduro-001

 

Mugen/Honda Erex/Electric CR that we have seen pop up in various forms at trade shows and Japan nationals for nearly a decade now:

2019 E-REX F

 

All the 125 twins everyone was toying with before they were banned:
504531984 18506910370041253 5479278738211150691 n515486209 10159863455924649 921663309950389364 n40584482 2636724983220091 678868668314025984 nYAMAHA-TA125-TWIN-2205

 

In 1988 I would have put money on the YZM500 going into production.

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The gen 4 alu framed CR that never made it to production.

IMG 5587 1
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3/8/2026 12:06pm Edited Date/Time 3/8/2026 12:07pm
A few that come to mind:1971 Monoshock produced by Lucien Tilkens for Suzuki years before he sold the design to Yamaha 1988 YZM500, Yamaha's liquid cooled...

A few that come to mind:

1971 Monoshock produced by Lucien Tilkens for Suzuki years before he sold the design to Yamaha

1971-suzuki-monshock.jpeg?VersionId=F9nmrReprTA.BbO

 

1988 YZM500, Yamaha's liquid cooled big bore early-aluminum framed monster:
1988 YZM500 0W83



Buell/Harley 450 motocrosser:
buell-right-side.jpg?VersionId=HOUi693yrtWL.sPzUIZs

 

The aluminum KTM prototype frame:
MXPERTS-KTM-ALUMINUM-FRAME 0

 

Ossa Enduro 250i reverse-engine crankcase-injected 2-stroke:

C2A9 ossa enduro-001

 

Mugen/Honda Erex/Electric CR that we have seen pop up in various forms at trade shows and Japan nationals for nearly a decade now:

2019 E-REX F

 

All the 125 twins everyone was toying with before they were banned:
504531984 18506910370041253 5479278738211150691 n515486209 10159863455924649 921663309950389364 n40584482 2636724983220091 678868668314025984 nYAMAHA-TA125-TWIN-2205

 

CPR wrote:

In 1988 I would have put money on the YZM500 going into production.

If you think about it, despite 2-stroke big bores decline in that era, the KX500 continued to be produced and sold virtually unchanged for another sixteen years after 1988. Knowing what we now know about how Yamaha handled their two-stroke line over the ensuing three decades, a not-all-too-updated YZM500 could still be in production today. Building that thing would have paid for itself 10x over.

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The KX450 was originally set to debut in 2005 with this steel frame, if I recall. Word is it broke

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That YZ150F pic just accessed a fold deep in my brain that hasn't fired in like 20 years, lol

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Tumic wrote:
The gen 4 alu framed CR that never made it to production.

The gen 4 alu framed CR that never made it to production.

IMG 5587 1

Wait, what am I missing here? Would this have been an 08' on cr250 or something? 

I got into moto in 04'~05' so forgive my ignorance. 

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A few that come to mind:1971 Monoshock produced by Lucien Tilkens for Suzuki years before he sold the design to Yamaha 1988 YZM500, Yamaha's liquid cooled...

A few that come to mind:

1971 Monoshock produced by Lucien Tilkens for Suzuki years before he sold the design to Yamaha

1971-suzuki-monshock.jpeg?VersionId=F9nmrReprTA.BbO

 

1988 YZM500, Yamaha's liquid cooled big bore early-aluminum framed monster:
1988 YZM500 0W83



Buell/Harley 450 motocrosser:
buell-right-side.jpg?VersionId=HOUi693yrtWL.sPzUIZs

 

The aluminum KTM prototype frame:
MXPERTS-KTM-ALUMINUM-FRAME 0

 

Ossa Enduro 250i reverse-engine crankcase-injected 2-stroke:

C2A9 ossa enduro-001

 

Mugen/Honda Erex/Electric CR that we have seen pop up in various forms at trade shows and Japan nationals for nearly a decade now:

2019 E-REX F

 

All the 125 twins everyone was toying with before they were banned:
504531984 18506910370041253 5479278738211150691 n515486209 10159863455924649 921663309950389364 n40584482 2636724983220091 678868668314025984 nYAMAHA-TA125-TWIN-2205

 

CPR wrote:

In 1988 I would have put money on the YZM500 going into production.

I've always wondered how pissed Broc Glover was when that bike came out. He spent years chasing Bailey and his RC500 on a YZ490, and Yamaha waits until the year he leaves to introduce a water-cooled YZ500. Had to sting a little bit. 

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3/8/2026 5:39pm Edited Date/Time 3/8/2026 5:44pm
In light of the long awaited Kawasaki smoker (that actually is going to come out allegedly) I find myself looking back to the YZ150F. I remember...

In light of the long awaited Kawasaki smoker (that actually is going to come out allegedly) I find myself looking back to the YZ150F. I remember seeing this beauty in MXA when I was 12 years old and drooling over it for months. A few years later the CRF150R comes out and it’s a bit lackluster, didn’t matter to me though as I was already on big bikes. 

The YZ was one I always dreamed of riding….

What bikes can you recall that never happened? 

image 548.jpeg?VersionId=7SWoJU5JEaXf5YT1XZx.uG

Oh shit I dont remember this. Pretty badass! If the 150s had kept pace with 250f development we probably could have had a couple screamers by now.


Pic I found of the other side

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A few that come to mind:1971 Monoshock produced by Lucien Tilkens for Suzuki years before he sold the design to Yamaha 1988 YZM500, Yamaha's liquid cooled...

A few that come to mind:

1971 Monoshock produced by Lucien Tilkens for Suzuki years before he sold the design to Yamaha

1971-suzuki-monshock.jpeg?VersionId=F9nmrReprTA.BbO

 

1988 YZM500, Yamaha's liquid cooled big bore early-aluminum framed monster:
1988 YZM500 0W83



Buell/Harley 450 motocrosser:
buell-right-side.jpg?VersionId=HOUi693yrtWL.sPzUIZs

 

The aluminum KTM prototype frame:
MXPERTS-KTM-ALUMINUM-FRAME 0

 

Ossa Enduro 250i reverse-engine crankcase-injected 2-stroke:

C2A9 ossa enduro-001

 

Mugen/Honda Erex/Electric CR that we have seen pop up in various forms at trade shows and Japan nationals for nearly a decade now:

2019 E-REX F

 

All the 125 twins everyone was toying with before they were banned:
504531984 18506910370041253 5479278738211150691 n515486209 10159863455924649 921663309950389364 n40584482 2636724983220091 678868668314025984 nYAMAHA-TA125-TWIN-2205

 

CPR wrote:

In 1988 I would have put money on the YZM500 going into production.

Sully wrote:
I've always wondered how pissed Broc Glover was when that bike came out. He spent years chasing Bailey and his RC500 on a YZ490, and Yamaha...

I've always wondered how pissed Broc Glover was when that bike came out. He spent years chasing Bailey and his RC500 on a YZ490, and Yamaha waits until the year he leaves to introduce a water-cooled YZ500. Had to sting a little bit. 

Well, he couldn’t have raced that after 1985 or so, right?  Would have been interesting if they’d have given him something like that for the GPs, though!

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CPR wrote:

In 1988 I would have put money on the YZM500 going into production.

Sully wrote:
I've always wondered how pissed Broc Glover was when that bike came out. He spent years chasing Bailey and his RC500 on a YZ490, and Yamaha...

I've always wondered how pissed Broc Glover was when that bike came out. He spent years chasing Bailey and his RC500 on a YZ490, and Yamaha waits until the year he leaves to introduce a water-cooled YZ500. Had to sting a little bit. 

APLMAN99 wrote:
Well, he couldn’t have raced that after 1985 or so, right?  Would have been interesting if they’d have given him something like that for the GPs...

Well, he couldn’t have raced that after 1985 or so, right?  Would have been interesting if they’d have given him something like that for the GPs, though!

If you meant 1989 he was riding the GP's on a KTM.

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Sully wrote:
I've always wondered how pissed Broc Glover was when that bike came out. He spent years chasing Bailey and his RC500 on a YZ490, and Yamaha...

I've always wondered how pissed Broc Glover was when that bike came out. He spent years chasing Bailey and his RC500 on a YZ490, and Yamaha waits until the year he leaves to introduce a water-cooled YZ500. Had to sting a little bit. 

APLMAN99 wrote:
Well, he couldn’t have raced that after 1985 or so, right?  Would have been interesting if they’d have given him something like that for the GPs...

Well, he couldn’t have raced that after 1985 or so, right?  Would have been interesting if they’d have given him something like that for the GPs, though!

crmx105 wrote:

If you meant 1989 he was riding the GP's on a KTM.

Yeah, but it would have been better, in hindsight of course, if he’d have gone over a year or so earlier and rode the 500 class for a couple of good years. 

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A few that come to mind:1971 Monoshock produced by Lucien Tilkens for Suzuki years before he sold the design to Yamaha 1988 YZM500, Yamaha's liquid cooled...

A few that come to mind:

1971 Monoshock produced by Lucien Tilkens for Suzuki years before he sold the design to Yamaha

1971-suzuki-monshock.jpeg?VersionId=F9nmrReprTA.BbO

 

1988 YZM500, Yamaha's liquid cooled big bore early-aluminum framed monster:
1988 YZM500 0W83



Buell/Harley 450 motocrosser:
buell-right-side.jpg?VersionId=HOUi693yrtWL.sPzUIZs

 

The aluminum KTM prototype frame:
MXPERTS-KTM-ALUMINUM-FRAME 0

 

Ossa Enduro 250i reverse-engine crankcase-injected 2-stroke:

C2A9 ossa enduro-001

 

Mugen/Honda Erex/Electric CR that we have seen pop up in various forms at trade shows and Japan nationals for nearly a decade now:

2019 E-REX F

 

All the 125 twins everyone was toying with before they were banned:
504531984 18506910370041253 5479278738211150691 n515486209 10159863455924649 921663309950389364 n40584482 2636724983220091 678868668314025984 nYAMAHA-TA125-TWIN-2205

 

CPR wrote:

In 1988 I would have put money on the YZM500 going into production.

Sully wrote:
I've always wondered how pissed Broc Glover was when that bike came out. He spent years chasing Bailey and his RC500 on a YZ490, and Yamaha...

I've always wondered how pissed Broc Glover was when that bike came out. He spent years chasing Bailey and his RC500 on a YZ490, and Yamaha waits until the year he leaves to introduce a water-cooled YZ500. Had to sting a little bit. 

Ha hadn’t thought about that before, but fair call. 
Was much the same for Aussie legend Stephen Gall who spent years competing against HRC on the Yami air hammer, was a factory Yamaha test rider and retired in the late 80s as well. 
They were certainly up against it.

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I was fascinated with the BBR yz400 back in the day  IMG 0670 6.jpeg?VersionId=DIydniPpWzGon8fu9 E5PxR

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Adam43 wrote:
The KX450 was originally set to debut in 2005 with this steel frame, if I recall. Word is it broke
3AE3IMH2BJXBZWCTXD22375U64 0.jpg?VersionId=u OrCunlz7Uzh1PpCSvEsAeuQjlL

The KX450 was originally set to debut in 2005 with this steel frame, if I recall. Word is it broke

The frame in that photo is aluminum....

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As a mini(1 65 & 2 85s) dad, I am grateful the 150 thing did not take off.  

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Adam43 wrote:
The KX450 was originally set to debut in 2005 with this steel frame, if I recall. Word is it broke
3AE3IMH2BJXBZWCTXD22375U64 0.jpg?VersionId=u OrCunlz7Uzh1PpCSvEsAeuQjlL

The KX450 was originally set to debut in 2005 with this steel frame, if I recall. Word is it broke

BobPA wrote:

The frame in that photo is aluminum....

No, that's a steel frame painted aluminum silver.....

Not all steel is round.

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The pre production 05 cr125 Double Boost Port DBP.  The much anticipated DBP was scrapped at the last minute. Because of the Profeshenal level power out put it & the violent nature of the DBP. IMG 4121 7

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The Fuel Injected CRF150R FC built always intrigued me. Always wanted to build on for a play bike, and from the ones I’ve rode I think fuel injection would’ve benefited those bikes greatly. 

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Mk15

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Cappra prs 

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What bikes can you recall that never happened? 

YZ350f comes to mind (never happened)

BMW motocross bike (better if it didn't happen)
WEIRD FORGOTTEN DIRT BIKES, MILLENNIAL EDITION: THE WRAP ...

A-Loop (Freestyle specific bike, can't remember if it happened)
ALOOP CR250

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3strokemx wrote:
What bikes can you recall that never happened? YZ350f comes to mind (never happened)BMW motocross bike (better if it didn't happen)A-Loop (Freestyle specific bike, can't remember...

What bikes can you recall that never happened? 

YZ350f comes to mind (never happened)

BMW motocross bike (better if it didn't happen)
WEIRD FORGOTTEN DIRT BIKES, MILLENNIAL EDITION: THE WRAP ...

A-Loop (Freestyle specific bike, can't remember if it happened)
ALOOP CR250

Wasn’t A-Loop the company that made the body kits for the XR250/400s?

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Villa built a FI 125 MX bike...  We could use a few more 125's.

villa 125 0

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The pre production 05 cr125 Double Boost Port DBP.  The much anticipated DBP was scrapped at the last minute. Because of the Profeshenal level power out...

The pre production 05 cr125 Double Boost Port DBP.  The much anticipated DBP was scrapped at the last minute. Because of the Profeshenal level power out put it & the violent nature of the DBP. IMG 4121 7

NEVER SAW OR HEARD ABOUT THIS. SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME THE SHORT VERSION OF ITS STORY

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