Best move I’ve seen a track make in a while…

Good for them. Hopefully they will enforce it on regular practice days. 

Unrmployed “trainers” down bad

Ignoring what a huge liability it must be for the track operators to have these clowns doing this (Not limited at all to SoCal btw); the etiquette that some of these dickhead trainers have basically 'owning' a small section of the track has driven me up the wall.

God forbid you get near little Johnny and his factory KTM 65 in the back section while I try to spin laps so he can get 37th at his local LL qualifier.

Yeah some guys really fuck it up for the rest of the trainers. Let’s loop this section, fuck everyone else they can work around you and blindly enter the track because you’re better than everyone. Sucks for the guys out there working with their rider who aren’t screwing with the flow of practice.  But, this is like the pit bike thing on a smaller scale. More people fucking off and making a liability than those being reasonable. 

I've only seen this happen a few times at local tracks in the DFW area in many decades. And not in many years though. Didn't know this stuff still went on. Crazy to me.

It does still occur at a track I do ride occasionally, but not on open practice days. And it's a training facility first and open to the public only on certain weekends. 

Glad to see Elsinore get smart about it. It's an accident waiting to happen 

The audacity one must need to have to think that type of behavior is okay. It's like "Hey, let me show up on someone else's jobsite and then charge people to be a nuisance/danger to other people that are there." If you're going to be a 'trainer' do it from the sidelines or get your own track.

It's funny because what the vast majority of riders need to be doing is hammering out full motos on a complete lap, and not working on their tight rut corner speed when they gas out after 10 minutes. 

It would make sense to me that tracks want a cut of the trainers' fees, too. After all, those guys are using the track facilities for a pittance (gate fee only) otherwise. 

The drawback is that I feel like they will have to apply this rule to people like myself who want to train my son, who is good but not fast. Doing one section over and over again is a great way to work on his weak spots and I want to stand there and watch. That likely isn't going to happen at Elsinore anymore. 

Hopefully pala adopts this soon. That place is out of control. 

A lot of the garbage at the track everyone complains about can be avoided by signing up for a race.. 

I’m so tired of it man. I’m about to the point where I will literally punt little Broxxtyn and his 65 into the shadow-realm. 

GH is pretty bad too. Those 65s just hop on the track anywhere without looking 

Lol. I support this.

"That likely isn't going to happen at Elsinore anymore."

Sure it can; every Wednesday, just like the post says.

I'm still shocked that they allow big bikes and little bikes on the track at some time at tracks across the country. 100% unacceptable

I can’t believe they ever allow minis on the track with big bikes. That never happens here.

In Minnesota very few tracks allow mixed bike sizes.  

Not in New Jersey either. 

Some of us got tired of waiting through 36 motos of “left eye dominant, right handed, near sighted, 3.0 gpa, 8-10 year old 65cc” classes and would rather get our money’s worth by riding practice days. 

I’ll race a couple a year, but otherwise, been there done that and just want to ride with my friends.

3 Palms near Houston did this a few years ago and has changed it up a few times trying to work with the trainers, which I'm one. Some trainers have no regard for general practice and some know how to train riders without impeding the flow of general practice.

My favorite this is that they added a “true beginner” class because the beginner class has dudes scrubbing now. 

I’m sure it’s hard balance for them to manage. They need the people coming through the gate but don’t need the liability. To me it seems like training usually isn’t a problem but when the trainers have big groups that’s when it gets bad. They send the first couple out then the other 10 behind them aren’t stopping no matter who’s coming. Also seems pretty typical for a rider to go to the track with a trainer (or parent) for one on one and again usually not a problem. 
Fox runs pro days which seems to work. Also just as bad, it use to be on any given weekday there would be pros mechanics on the track with pit boards telling people to get off and yelling at them even though those people paid just the same. Elsinore seems to be moving in the direction of a training facility. Maybe it works for them but when they charge almost as much for practice as to race then you get 4 or maybe only 3 twenty minute practice sessions in 6 hour time I would prefer to go race. But when I want to go practice it won’t work for me to be on a 20 minute schedule. Again I’m sure it’s a difficult balance but maybe just big bike / little bike split practice is good? Sometimes maybe more if it’s that crowded. Maybe only training on Wednesday works for them? Of course I love capitalism and the fact that they can do it how ever they want but we the consumer can speak with our wallets. Or on Vital haha. 

For a country as litigious as the US, how do track owners even get away with that these days? Do they just let the lawyers and insurance companies sort it out (and just pay ever increasing premiums every year)?

Here in the UK virtually all practice tracks are grouped by either speed or bike size and have been that way for many years.

I run an off-road series in Canada, and one of the only stipulations by my insurance company was that I couldn't have children and adults riding at the same time. 

The only problem I see with the "pro" training in NorCal is that the minis always have their own practice, but the trainers are always out working with them during big bike only practice.  On a busy day at a place like hangtown the big bike practice is already packed.  And now you have minis jumping on and off the track constantly to add to it.  It definitely creates a more dangerous situation for everyone.  

Once…one time…only…

I saw a trainer have his rider work a section by actually entering and exiting the track at the proper locations.

Once. On the Vet track at Pala. It was Marty Smith. 

To SeeClasses point…I go have words with these trainers AND the track. The track folk almost always straightens them out. Have I had trainers that chose to be ass holes? Yup. Then we usually go talk to him as a group. 🤣 That hasn’t been necessary since the good ol’ Milestone days. 

More often than not, these trainers are endangering their students…and the rest of us out on the track…with their stupid need to have their riders pull on and off the track. 

Same goes for the parents that send their new/novice/little 50/65/85 rider out on the track with the big bikes to get LANDED ON. That one blows my mind. 

Can't believe they don't have the track separated by big-little bikes and skill.  

A-B together, C-D together.  Newbies are D,  they need a safe track too.

Maybe this can give you an idea on how the trainers think: My wife works at a gym that was starting to get taken over by personal trainers with large groups of trainees.  I heard the lead trainer (they had 3 that day for roughly a dozen people) say that "our philosophy is no limits: no limits on what you can do and no limits on what you are allowed to do to better yourself...seize the moment, take what you want, bend the rules, break your limits...that's the only way you will succeed...". That is paraphrasing, but not by much.

He could care less how he was impacting the rest of the patrons. The trainees were hyped up by his speeches and coaching.  I bet none of them knew that his "real job" was a used car salesman (not that there's anything wrong with that).  I know this because I talked to him a few years ago for a while and that is what he told me he was doing for a living. The gym staff was either afraid of him or was paid off or both.  It finally ended a few months ago when the gym actually enforced their rules and ended it.