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It needs to be on a timer, legitimate or not it shouldn't be able to mess up 1 guys race. Once it's on, it should stay on for a minimum of 10 seconds or something
Totally agree!
I don’t know if it will work, but I have always felt that if the Red Cross is out, it should be for a full lap (or however many laps needed) but from the first guy through it, they will be the first rider to have it removed
Yeah, honestly seems quite fair, otherwise it can be used by teams to lay a rider in the middle of the track, trigger it and gain an advantage
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That would be fair, but can you imagine the AMA trying to manage that?!
Surely it could be done with transponders? It’s crazy that just some riders can be penalised (track position) for riding safely
So say it came on 9 seconds before he got to it…… results still the same.
Absolutely, the main thing is, was it red or not for both riders?
It could be tracked by transponders, but have you seen their timing and scoring during the races? #shitshow
Brown definitely jumped on the red, they showed it on the post race show. How is it “still under review”.
No team is going to do that…..
You beat me to it, but those are my same thoughts. If the light came on when and the guy in 5th was the first to hit it, then make sure it turns off when he comes back around that way EVERYONE hits it
100% needs a to be a rule change if the red is out, it’s out for a full lap for the full field.
100% agree. I think that's honestly what caused the Kenny/Hunter incident last week, Hunter was panicking because he was running out of time to get Webb, but I believe, could be wrong, Hunter got a red cross in a section that the 3 guys in front didn't, and he lost about 4 or 5 seconds. Had he not lost that that time he wouldn't have needed to panic about catching Webb
Probably not, but the fact that they can is a problem
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I'm sorry, I have to call out a stupid comment when I see one
I was there, happened right in front of us. Here’s what I saw….
Kelly went off the track from the other lane and ended up on the backside of the finish line jump. The tower started waiving the Red Cross flag and hit the lights as he got back in the correct lane and going pretty quick.
AMA guy stops waiving the Red Cross flag, but the lights kept flashing, before the little setup double before the finish, and on the tower. Crew is unaware the lights are still going.
Brown and Jo are battling and come around the sweeper before the setup double, Jo clearly sees it and rolls, from my angle Brown had to have also seen it, and also saw Jo rolling as he passed him around the outside and had to have known he f-ed up, lights were on clear as day. Still hits the setup double and the finish passing Jo and gaining a significant advantage, think Dax got around Jo for a moment as well.
Everyone else sees Brown, Dax, and it just starts a chain reaction…. Pretty sure almost everyone behind them hits it even though the lights are still flashing. This goes on for a good :30 before the AMA guy realizes the lights are still on and tells the dude in the tower to turn them off. Then there looked like some finger pointing going on between them because they knew their mistake will affect the outcome of the race.
The whole field except for Jo jumped on it.
Total shit show.
Jo gets first and everyone else’s finish should drop 1 points position.
Pit Row
They were clearly on when Brown AND Bennick jumped them.
Incredible fuck up from the AMA, but they need to be fair and apply the rules consistently, even if it involves penalising the entire field except for one rider.
Well that proves it, jo gets the win, brown jumped on red. If they dont give it to jo thats is a complete fuck up and robbery. Luckily jo rides for honda at least so they should have some sway. This is fucked!
Wow what a shit show
Sucks for all involved. I mean Jo saw them and they came on right before him. The other guys I believe had more time to see them but the didnt check up. Idk sucks to have a fist win ripped from you for that but like they said rules are rules. I didn’t think he lost that much time but someone on the form showed over 3 seconds from that from the sector.
3 seconds from that sector, but it could've been more. Not sure where the sectors start and end but if the finish line landing and corner after aren't part of the same sector then he lost even more time since he also had to roll the finish line jump
I thought usually positions will stay the same but they'll dock points? They don't like the guy lighting the candles on TV not showing up as the winner or something...
If Jo jumps while it’s flashing, he would have been docked
So ... 6:30am Central Sunday morning and the situation seems to not be resolved.
It really sucks for Brown, but he, and anyone else, verified jumping during the red light should be properly penalized. The issue they're probably dealing with is the uncertainty of when the light was turned off. I'm hoping they're going to make it final this morning because the video truck will be heading out sometime today and that may have all the review able footage in it, delaying the process.
As for holding the light on a full lap ... absolutely not. In golf it's called "the rub of the green", meaning ... it's not a perfect world. A phrase the AMA has perpetuated for many years. I do hope they make the correct decision regarding Jo.
Have a great morning everyone.
There’s this that affected the outcome which is terrible but then in the 450 main that wouldn’t really change the results but would make a points difference if they followed the rules and no one is saying a thing about Eli and Webb jumping on the Red Cross flags
I'd like to hear their reasoning for not penalizing Brown and Bennick for very clearly jumping on a red light? Results are official now and nothing changed.
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