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The DHS surge in Minneapolis and other places is simply a beta test for next generation domestic surveillance tools.
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What is clear to see , is that Walz, and all the Minnesota Dems are up to their necks in all the fraud, and they are fighting for their lives.
All the Somalis need fucking off, and every Dem state needs to be gone through , these fuckers are robbing everyone blind, and then having the audacity to steal elections with people paid for with your own money.
The fact Dems will vote every time against Voter ID shows you what a bunch of cunts they are, and if you think that isnt happening, you are cunt as well.
Thanks Tool, ABC was pointing to Fox's article which had some group chat images included. As for 66's claim about Flanagan being directly involved, there's no mention about her in either article so I'm still curious where that "intel" is coming from.
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Ok it was DHS agents. Nothing has changed besides that. New narrative complete 👍
Gee wiz, I never saw that coming from you of all people. Not.
Like water off of a ducks back. Call me a nazi and a white supremest while you’re at it.
I guess the majority of Americans are racist, or is it just me because you don’t like the truths I’m telling?
Do you now at least acknowledge there is MN government involved in the coordination and direction of the protestors (pawns)? I think you are splitting hairs here.
NO SHIT , Its also to keep ICE away from them . To stop ICE from doing something they are not trained to do. Interact with protesters. Its to keep 2 parties that are unhappy with each other apart. No matter how we got here, a neutral acting 3rd party is a good start to cool things down.
How many protests have there been in just this last year for all kinds of reasons? How many people have been killed at other protests by the law enforcement or assaulted for blowing a whistle?
Watch the news reports on the interactions of the guard and protesters. I get it that there will always be people who are just there to be a pain in the ass and cause trouble.
The whistles are to bring attention to whatever is happening. To get more eyes on what is happening. Its the ICE agents who have taken it as a threat and assaulted protesters. In the example that CNN reported , the agents were already chasing their targets and the targets knew where ICE was as indicated by the way in which they ran away from them. IE not towards them. When there is an arrests being made or target running. Its not to alert the target. Its to get more people noticing what's going on. That could be taken as a warning for others to stay out of the way, to film or tape photos, or many other things. Don't some police use whistles to alert people in a similar way ?
You tell me how a whistle has now become political and is doing anything beyond being loud and grabbing attention? Oh my god, I just realized all those fans at the races with air horns and bells are really trying to distract the racers and they are not fans, they are attackers that should be arrested and prosecuted.
“They can remove dangerous criminals without the theatrics that they have been displaying.”
Without the theatrics???? The theatrics are only there because the left is orchestrating them.
if the protesters stayed home… no theatrics!
I guess if you're going to use this as a comparison, you should remember that the Capitol Police shot a protestor less than 6 hours after the Jan. 6 protest started. DHS/ICE protests had been going on for months before Renee Good was shot.
Btw, I don't see these situations as legitimate comparisons, it's stupid to use Jan. 6 as analogous to what is happening in MN.
Funny, I don’t see any race listed.
Maybe you can enlighten me with all of your imaginary wisdom.
No, I can't imagine you've read through these yourself yet, but neither Fox or ABC article calls out involvement by any member of MN government.
I do believe groups of anti-ice have organized communications (there's images in one of the articles). That's also been known well before the MN raids were conducted though, they literally built apps for it.
If wanting to live in reality is splitting hairs then I guess I'll continue to split hairs. Stay tuned. Have a great day! Take care!
So what you are saying now is that it was well known, and you did not know it. Got it. How’s that crow tastin’?
I cant help wonder what if someone made an app to track Gov Walz, and armed protestors blocked the street and threw bricks at him, would he call the police? Or.........
truck, I’ll be blunt. There’s nothing "fun" about Breonna Taylor’s death and even using that sort of term is pretty disgusting. And there’s also nothing funny about trying to paper over what happened to Alex Pretti with technicalities.
Here’s the deal based on available reporting
-Pretti was an ICU nurse, a lawful gun owner with a permit, and had no significant criminal record.
-Multiple videos and eyewitness accounts show him holding a phone and trying to help others before being pepper-sprayed and tackled, not brandishing a weapon.
-He was shot multiple times while pinned. Federal and local evidence contradict early claims that he was an immediate threat.
You’re right that officers can act on a reasonable belief of threat, but that belief has to be supported by what’s actually happening in the moment, not by convenient narratives or hypothetical checklists.
You start by saying 'permit issue is irrelevant' (which is good) because it is irrelevant to whether someone was a threat at the moment of the shooting. Then you pivot into trying to justify the outcome by stacking inferences (impeding, resisting, gun presence) that aren’t actually shown in the footage or eyewitness testimony.
And saying you’re 'not victim blaming' while framing everything in ways that shift fault onto the person shot to death is still victim blaming in (attempted) disguise.
If your point is 'use-of-force standards give officers some leeway', fine. But don't pretend that the leeway extended is absolute. And don’t try to dress up post hoc justifications, especially when video and reporting raise real questions about what actually happened, as objective truth.
We can talk real factors, crowd control, escalation, how split-second decisions are judged. Those are valid discussions.
But we shouldn't skip straight to “well it’s reasonable because…” when what we actually saw doesn’t clearly match that standard.
ICE is enforcing federal immigration law passed by Congress and upheld by the Supreme Court. The protesters are following and interfering with operations, they are attacking ICE.
Pretty sure it's legal to track private planes so maybe it'll be legal to track people? Throwing bricks definitely call the police
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I have a crazy idea. ICE should get video of these things happening . There is a thing called a bodycam that many police wear. If every ICE and DHS agent wore one they would have the proof to show that what they claim is true.
So far of the people killed, I have yet to see anything that proves they were stopping ICE from doing their jobs. There are almost always instigators in every protest these days. And I'm not arguing that isn't the case at all here.
But some of what has gotten us here is ICE,DHS and the president choosing to follow or NOT follow courts and legal processes. In a perfect world all ICE agents would be going after the bad guys like their job asks of them. And not attacking people that blow a whistle or film them. And protesters would respect the law and only act within the law to protest.
There are 1000's of protests in the US every year. And many have turned somewhat violent with clashes between police and protesters. Like real clashes, not a whistle being blown, or a guy standing in front of the stream of pepper spray. And its not a common thing for police to kill protesters is it? Yes protesters are not all acting perfectly. But that's a normal thing in almost all protests. The law enforcement killing protesters is NOT NORMAL and I hope never is allowed to become normal.
Isn’t it interesting which side of the aisle seems to always revert back to personal attacks?
"NO SHIT , Its also to keep ICE away from them . To stop ICE from doing something they are not trained to do. Interact with protesters. Its to keep 2 parties that are unhappy with each other apart. No matter how we got here, a neutral acting 3rd party is a good start to cool things down. "
WTF are you saying? ICE is not following them around. Did you buy that idea from the village idiot? And National Guard is a 4th party. you already have DHS trying to keep the agitators away. Now you need the National Guard to keep the agitators away from DHS that's trying to keep them away from ICE and you're trying to say it's to keep ICE away from the agitators. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't see anybody really arguing that throwing stuff is wrong and shouldn't be stopped. The disagreement is with the level of force . Throwing stuff is unfortunate a normal issue at protests that results in pepper spray and arrests NOT kicking the shit out of people and shooting them.
I haven't seen anybody argue against arresting people who are really assaulting ICE or DHS agents.
Blowing a whistle is not assault in my opinion and hard to argue that its obstruction in the ways that videos have shown it happening. Its always after the agent has made the target aware of them being a target.
I don't believe anyone is denying that a multi-state Signal chat existed letting people know ICE's whereabouts. R66's claim was that it was being directed by the governor's office.
Thank you for providing the link my man and being willing to discuss unlike R66 👍
Can’t tell if this is satire or not
Anybody else think that at least three of the resistance supporters are the same person sitting in front of three screens with 3 different account names?
It is well known, and we all knew that. We were asking for a source for your claim that the Governor's Office was directing it.
No.
This topic is moving fast and is wild!!!
What I'm saying is you've only provided baseless claims to this conversation to stir shit up. Tool did something you're incapable of, and actually provided sources. Be better. Have a great day! Take care!
Didn’t you respond to someone’s comment a couple days ago, reverting to personal attacks on what you claimed they looked like? I wish I could make this up.
L.O.L.
I don't really disagree with anything you're saying, nothing about this is clear cut. If my approach to the victim is victim blaming in your eyes then so be it.
That being said, I don't think the argument I laid out is some post hoc best effort at coming up with a story. I think that's likely what happened in the eyes of the agents that led them to firing, regardless of how consistent it is with the video analysis after the fact.
I have no strong feelings either way as to whether I find that a reasonable justification, but I do think it's the most plausible explanation either way and is the argument they'll make to a jury where you only have to get one person to buy it.
If you reject that explanation, do you think two officers at the same time just lost it and decided to execute him? I don't find that to be plausible. What's the alternative theory if not what I laid out?
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