2011 Track Designs...Somethings Missing!

Ryno784
Posts
189
Joined
6/8/2010
Location
Cambridge City, IN, USA
Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 5:44pm
IMHO, I really believe Winkler is one of the best in the business, but I really want to see some changes to the tracks.

As they are now, they're all the same. Jump jump turn.

Bring back:

Tornado Tunnel
Start Breakers
Hannah's Revenge
RJ's Rad N Bad Whoops....

Maybe it's just me, but those old track designs were cool and really closed the competition. Bring back corner whoops. Tossing sand in here and there doesn't do much. I'm just sayin'.
|
FreshTopEnd
Posts
13361
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Sacramento, CA, USA
12/21/2010 11:00am
Bring back the mud jumps on the start straight!!

bama205
Posts
1518
Joined
10/7/2010
Location
Williamson County, TN, USA
12/21/2010 11:01am
why is mcgrath so fuckin' cool??????
MX4EVR
Posts
835
Joined
7/27/2010
Location
Canton, OH, USA
12/21/2010 11:03am
spit starts and split whoop sections!
Ryno784
Posts
189
Joined
6/8/2010
Location
Cambridge City, IN, USA
12/21/2010 11:03am
Nice shot, seeing that number 10 is cool too....memories.

The Shop

Pool-eh
Posts
159
Joined
12/5/2010
Location
Henderson, NV, USA
12/21/2010 11:12am
Oakland seems to have a tunnel but I think it's the only one. The split starts were cool IMO but no more of those? What about when they used to run up into the hands in the early 90's? Forget the track(s) they did that at?

I totally agree though. Tracks are getting stale with the 450s especially. Quad this, triple that corner repeat. Is there a way to break up sections and make them close enough in speed to where they can go inside or out and be competitive?

And for las Vegas, can they move the f'ing start? For as much as they try to get you to go see the races at the stadium, the Vegas start and entire back section is blind if you're there live to watch it. If I wanted to watch the races on a screen I'd rather do it in the comfort of my own home.
Mstock
Posts
2044
Joined
9/14/2010
Location
Middleton, WI, USA
12/21/2010 11:14am
I would be happy if they just brought back BERMS!
FreshTopEnd
Posts
13361
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Sacramento, CA, USA
12/21/2010 11:18am
bama205 wrote:
why is mcgrath so fuckin' cool??????
Because he's god; who else could wheelie on water without touching it?
burn1986
Posts
12246
Joined
4/16/2010
Location
bossier city, LA, USA
12/21/2010 11:26am
The hondas look cool too. They need to go back to the red rear fender and some color on the rad. shroud graphics.
Ryno784
Posts
189
Joined
6/8/2010
Location
Cambridge City, IN, USA
12/21/2010 11:28am
The old Tornado Tunnel was used in the 80's, it was slow, off camber and tough to manipulate. And they used to have corners that whoops would actually continue through...

As for the Parastyle jump, that was the LA Coliseum, Pontiac did it a few times also until that armpit was shuttered...lol
TeamGreen
Posts
37759
Joined
11/25/2008
Location
Thru-out, CA, USA
12/21/2010 11:43am
More sand.

Ever since they've added the sand-sections (Notably at Anaheim)...I've loved listening to "who" does or doesn't bitch about it during the track walk.

Guys like K-Dub jus' eat it up.
Rabbit
Posts
170
Joined
6/13/2009
Location
Chandler, AZ, USA
12/21/2010 11:53am
K-Dub hates sand. Ask him about Southwick sometime.
12/21/2010 11:56am
Split sections rarely work because they take up more space and are rarely even, so you end up with 90% of the riders taking one of the sides. Bring back the big ass whoops that only the balsiest guys can skim across like they used to have in 01. That really separated the field a bit.

Although I think the thinking this year is to keep the field closer together so less obstacles like that that quickly cause lappers.
redrider400
Posts
1535
Joined
1/18/2010
Location
Homer, AK, USA
12/21/2010 12:10pm
Bring back the monster whoops from 2000-2001. I just remember that not all the 250cc guys where blitzing, just a couple.
motosmith
Posts
2046
Joined
11/8/2010
Location
Washougal, WA, USA
12/21/2010 12:19pm


More sand.
motosmith
Posts
2046
Joined
11/8/2010
Location
Washougal, WA, USA
12/21/2010 12:20pm
motosmith
Posts
2046
Joined
11/8/2010
Location
Washougal, WA, USA
12/21/2010 12:24pm
12/21/2010 12:33pm
How about everyone just ride what's presented and not bitch about it. Everybody has to ride the same track. Wink
12/21/2010 12:34pm
When was the last time a track went into the stadium seats?
jeffro503
Posts
27651
Joined
7/22/2007
Location
St Helens, OR, USA
12/21/2010 12:46pm Edited Date/Time 12/21/2010 12:47pm
I'm all for different and tough obstacles......but you guys have to remember....we all bitch when the season gets boring ,because 1/2 the riders are out with injuries!



was it last year when a few of the riders like Larocco , MC and a couple others designed some tracks? those tracks were sweet!! and by far the coolest ones that year!



in fact , Larocco's track was simply awesome!! then someone else ( can't remember which rider ) designed one right after that.....and it was totally bad ass as well!
12/21/2010 12:49pm
Split starts suck IMO, they rarely have anything good in the split areas and take up a ton of space resulting in really short laps.

Sand and whoops around corners tend to be one lined once everyone finds the best way through momentum pulls you one way or another.

Less 90's and more 180's is the biggest thing really. I don't think it's any surprise that Arenacrosses provide for such great racing all the time.

I don't know how big a whoops section would have to be to slow these guys down. From experience, hitting a whoop section on a 450 is a whole lot easier to stay on top than on a 250 2 stroke. The whole reason in 00-01 and such guys couldn't stay on top was simply the ran out of power. That doesn't happen with a 450 nearly as easily. Best set up I've seen for this was Indy 2 years ago when they had a flat hairpin corner right before them where the guys were coming almost dead stop out of the inside before them.
Adam43
Posts
3315
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
WF
12/21/2010 12:53pm
I think its no coincidence that the best tracks of the last few years were the rider-designed ones and the A2 retro track.

DirtWurx is very capable and I know they are just doing what's asked of them, but there is just no creativity there anymore. Cookie-cutter.
disbanded
Posts
6996
Joined
8/26/2007
Location
Evergreen, CO, USA
12/21/2010 1:10pm
Houston used to always have the tallest jump of the year. Bring that back.

Go back to letting the riders design selected tracks, or their home track.

Or let Pastrana design them all.

And remember that time that they let a fan design one section? That was cool.

Bigger whoops, over/under bridge, elevated starting area, off camber corners.

MXD
Posts
2719
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
USA
12/21/2010 1:33pm
Taller obstacles like raised corners that you step on, turn and step off. I miss seeing cool elevation changes like that.
Tbill
Posts
151
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
Glendale, AZ, USA
12/21/2010 1:37pm
Ryno784 wrote:
IMHO, I really believe Winkler is one of the best in the business, but I really want to see some changes to the tracks. As they...
IMHO, I really believe Winkler is one of the best in the business, but I really want to see some changes to the tracks.

As they are now, they're all the same. Jump jump turn.

Bring back:

Tornado Tunnel
Start Breakers
Hannah's Revenge
RJ's Rad N Bad Whoops....

Maybe it's just me, but those old track designs were cool and really closed the competition. Bring back corner whoops. Tossing sand in here and there doesn't do much. I'm just sayin'.
Actually if you count, its about three jumps per turn. But really, it's always been that way. Jump, Jump, Jump, Turn.
Jump, Jump, Jump, Turn.

Personally, I'd like to see a huge soap bubble machine between the finish line double.
FlaNard
Posts
3620
Joined
10/13/2009
Location
Layton, UT, USA
12/21/2010 1:41pm
Tracks have been boring to watch since about 01.
bama205
Posts
1518
Joined
10/7/2010
Location
Williamson County, TN, USA
12/21/2010 2:01pm Edited Date/Time 12/21/2010 2:02pm
I know, mc is the sx god. He destroyed those technical tracks and I loved watching him do it. And that picture of James in the sand is sick. Also, I think pastrana's track at stl was the best. I was at that race. James hit the deck on the tunnel jump. Best track of the year possibly of that decade.
12/21/2010 2:35pm
The best track in recent history by a mile was the TP199 design at St louis is 2009.. It had everything from double dragon backs to over and under bridges. I really thought Dirt Wurx might take a lesson from the design but they didn't.

Ddavis
Posts
5216
Joined
12/11/2009
Location
USA
12/21/2010 2:48pm
I hate how Ralph Shaheen says "Travis Pastrana is gonna try and race supercross with us today". He acts like he's a freestyle guy who never raced SX.

I think the tracks are fine, they create good racing, why complain?
Thelen20
Posts
2065
Joined
11/28/2009
Location
Marshall, TX, USA
12/21/2010 2:53pm
That pastrana track was one of the best ever! Very different, lots of options, big air, and big whoops. Those wall berms with inside rut were great, that section generated some great moto pics!!!
Ddavis
Posts
5216
Joined
12/11/2009
Location
USA
12/21/2010 3:42pm
Minneapolis 2004, that track had a gnarly split section.

Post a reply to: 2011 Track Designs...Somethings Missing!

The Latest