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Man, I gotta take a huge L on this call.
This is insane. Someone tells you their legs aren’t working and this is the response.
Even more irresponsible is all this hurry was done in service of not red-flagging practice. PRACTICE.
Tell me all you want protocol has changed when looking at this 😢
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Quit being angry. You're just raging to try to get people riled up. Not one person on Vital has ever said they believe what happened to Brian Moreau was appropriate care based the reported complaints he had and the movement of him off the track. Moving someone in line(usually from behind, under the shoulders) in an emergency extrication(think house fire, active shooter, etc) is appropriate however the race directors had the ability to stop practice to allow for safe extrication not emergency extrication of BM. We don't know why this was not done. Hopefully it comes out in court. The medics on track can ASK for race stoppage and the directors actually make the call. This is usually not an issue. We, as a whole, do not know if the medics did or didn't ask and/or if the race directors refused the request and why. Obviously BM sustained significant, life-altering injuries possibly made worse by his extrication from the track. The lawyers believe there was malpractice, filed suit and are now in court. If malpractice is found in court, hopefully Brian and his family will receive a significant settlement that will make his life and care easier moving forward from his horrible injury.
Edit: regardless of the findings in court, hopefully Brian and his family receive financial assistance
What is your infatuation with knowing everyone's business? Literally every thread you post in is a bitch fest about journalism, reporting, broadcast etc. and that you have the right to know... blah blah blah. Do you even have a bike? You think any of the parties involved want any info getting out to the public? Get a fuckin hobby Karen.
Feld wins.
Wow, I guess good news for the sport…hope Brian is able to get the care he needs. Would be nice if Feld, even though they won, set up some type of fund raiser to help make his life a little more comfortable
How is this good news for the sport? It means that, when you sign a waiver, you also sign that you don't deserve a decent medical intervention team. Because you can't prove that your injuries got worse by being evacuated by dipshit idiots who ignore the whole a.b.c. from medical interventions.
PS: That Feld tried to ditch the responsibility over the medical crew and also blamed the victim is sickening.
"Defendants attempted to dismiss the lawsuit last week one last time before it went to trial, arguing that FELD did not have authority over the medics and those associated with the medic crew were operating on their own independent status, and that dirt bikes are inhereintely dangerous and the only one that caused damage was Moreau "riding in an uncontrolled manner"."
Check that out, we agree on something. You’re not so bad. 😉
This is a problem. Also saw matthes post similar comments absolving feld for anything medical related. It's crazy. It's a very dangerous professional sport where the promoters/league leave the medical care up to volunteers and a group that has to find sponsors to fund themselves. They were using a mini C arm for xrays up until recently when teams got together and bought them a real xray machine after tomac leg got missed. I think they do a pretty good job for what they are, but they are clearly not a priority to feld. You get the impression that if the medical rig closed tomorrow feld would hire a local ambulance crew like we're at a fair race.
I wrote a more lengthy post in the other thread but what it boils down to is that we know that he landed very badly and said that he couldn’t feel his legs immediately after the crash, but we don’t know if the medical crew’s actions made the outcome worse.
The fact that the jury found two of the defendants to have been negligent should not be minimized by Feld’s “win”. Feld isn’t being held liable but they don’t come away from this looking good.
Anyone who spins this as absolving Feld is straight up gaslighting us. The jury found that 2 defendants were negligent. “Not liable” is not the same as “blameless”.
As a casual observer of this thread and case, what is the actual sticking point of the care/handling of Moreau? He told the medical unit he couldn’t feel his legs before or after he was moved like the pics show? If before, can anyone prove the paralysis is worse because of the way he was moved? Terrible situation and seemingly really hard to prove additional damage was done due to incompetence and/or lack of training.
If at the end of a shift the best I could say is that you can't prove that the care i provided made anyone's condition worse, I would quit and never come back.
I agree but isn’t that what a jury has to decide when it comes down to this?
I'm not saying the jury verdict is technically wrong, I'm just saying that it doesn't make feld and the actions of the medical crew right. Two different questions.
They decide the answers to 2 questions;
1. Was there negligence?
2. Did the negligence cause or exacerbate the injury?
For two defendants it was “no” to both (“no” to 1 implies “no” to 2) and for the other defendants it was “yes” to 1 and “no” to 2.
The jury is concerned with legal liability. There is more of interest here than just legal liability. I would think that the finding of negligence for two members of the medical staff would get your attention if you’re a racer and these are the people responsible for your safety if you crash.
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Similar feeling to the court case that determined the police don’t actually have a duty to protect. I can’t imagine being the police officer who doesn’t respond to a threat or crime but legally you’re not required.
Not just negligent but grossly negligent which is a difficult standard to meet. The jury obviously heard convincing testimony that the damage was already done and the subsequent grossly negligent actions of those two medical professionals didn't make things worse.
a riders union like @stull33 had suggested, along with countless others throughout the years, could really help to bring about some changes in standard practices in hopes stuff like this doesn’t happen again, and provide the leverage to get things done.
If feld and ama and the medic crew isn’t legally bound (they’re not) to provide medical care at the races then it’s up the riders, and the only way they can demand and organize that, is with a riders union.
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good luck to Brian and I hope he can live a healthy and productive life to the best of his abilities.
Uvalde....
It's crazy how many people don't know this about police. No EMTALA equivalent for them. The medic has to show up, the cop doesn't.
I'm not suggesting the handlers didn't cause pain that could have been avoided, however if we start finding every first responder guilty we won't have any responders. In my opinion, you'd need hard evidence to find anyone guilty of causing his injuries.
Hopefully Feld has reviewed the protocol and made voluntary improvements.
How come in the pictures he doesn’t even look like he’s in any pain?
Maybe because he has no feelings in his limbs?
There is a lot of research on pre hospital spinal immobilization and over the years there's never been any significant evidence that a specific device or method of spinal immobilization has improved outcomes. The consensus is that EMS cannot improve outcomes in spinal trauma because the trauma is done by the time EMS arives. There has been evidence that some device can cause detriment other than paralysis.
Brian can't prove that alpinestars medical crew caused the paralysis and its a general consensus based on evidence that it rarely happens it extrication outside the trauma event.
The Alpinestars medical crew has a lot of doctors and nurses unless they were first EMS I don't see they have the pre hospital experience they need. Extraction of a critical trauma patient is not nursing. The team need to be comprised of and lead by clinicians with significant pre hospital emergency trauma experience.
This looks like a bunch of nurses trying to do paramedicine to me
This is how it should look. I feel it's hard to prove that the team caused the paralysis because that rarely happens in ems but it's also very uncommon to carry a patient the way thay carried brian.
Does anyone here know what kind òf medical team mxģp has? OR moto gp? Nascar?
I remember reading about this in Racerhead back then and what DC wrote. I had to look it up again, maybe read it yourself. DC defended it then already. https://racerxonline.com/2020/02/21/racerhead-8
Shocked DC towed the company line and already at that time tried to lay down cover by saying the injury was from the crash and not the handling. But of course comments like this is why DC won’t post here anymore…
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