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Yikes reading through most of this. The lynch mob is out strong today. Everybody has left their safe space.
Definitely conflicted on this. I have way too many post in the RT lawsuit and through it was ridiculous he sued for his kids injury when he could’ve decided not to race if he thought that corner was dangerous. Now in this case you could say the same, if the family felt it wasn’t properly staffed for the event they should’ve packed up and went home. Saying that, if an event of this stature didn’t have adequate flaggers around the track I can see some liability. Would definitely need more facts in the case, but for sure would like to know if there were flaggers positioned in this area? Were they missing during this moto? Were they placed there after this incident? Were they there but not paying attention? If I was on the jury these are the questions I would want answers to before deciding on the case.
Was there any other issues with this corner during the weekend? If there were multiple big crashes and injuries in this corner over the race weekend, then they probably have a case. If this was the only one, probably rider error.
45 flaggers that day, one of them 18 feet away according to the article posted. Hopefully the track has training records.
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What? Nobody is talking about anything to do with the track or rider error. It's about what happened AFTER the crash.
That's the differentiator with this one VS the RT situation.
Not true. Read the article. They're going after all of it.
I did. Maybe you didn't? There isn't anything I'm seeing about the actual track conditions or anything than could be construed as "rider error."
https://www.marconews.com/story/sports/motorsports/2025/12/31/motocross-aidan-zingg-parents-file-wrongful-death-lawsuit/87958473007/
"The complaint also cited design, construction, and maintenance or some combination thereof, in creating "a dangerous condition at Turn 9 because of a near hairpin turn coming out of a jump and into another.''
“The design, construction, and maintenance of Turn 9 increased the risk of riders crashing into each other while riding or crashing into a rider who had fallen on the track and created a heightened risk of injury by participating in Mammoth Motocross as compared to other motocross races or tracks,’’ according to the complaint.
The AMA and 2XP “coordinated and approved a crowded field of 29 riders’’ who competed in the 250B class race."
I stand corrected. Thank you.
Kid tore his ACL at a hare scramble over the summer. At the ER: Where did this happen? In the woods. ER: But where? In the woods. ER: Where were the woods? In the woods. This was repeated at his primary care doctor we had to see to tell us we needed to see an orthopedic. Mom takes him to the orthopedic and same thing. Repeatedly asked where it happened. Same answer: in the woods. Goes for MRI. Where did this happen? Same answer again: In the woods. Insurance covered everything and track owner didn’t get sued. It shouldn’t be like this but unfortunately this is the society we live in.
C’mon bruh! You can ‘t be serious with that comparison. That’s apples to asparagus…
So I don’t talk too much about my personal lawsuit in 2014. My wife and I had a suit against us for $ 1,140,000.00
Was it my fault YES
Was it a accident.YES
Was I injured YES
my wife fault.not directly, only guilty due being married to me.
Did we make a claim with our insurance company.NO
Did our insurance company know anything .NO
See the similarities.no word=no insurance claim.
Legal bill in excess of $ 100,000. 00
I didn’t file for bankruptcy to avoid the suit, just ignored it for 6 yrs.at that point it is cleared off my credit score.
Paid cash for everything,no big purchases unless had the cash for it.
It made case law in this country that you are not responsible for your own personal safety.
You can sue anyone if your injured or have an injury cause at a residential/commercial facility.
What lessons did we learn from this.We don’t let anyone on our property.The mail guy, deliveries etc are exempt.
We don’t have friends come to our house anymore, neither do our kids. It’s absolutely forbidden
Are we friends still NO. Hard fucking NO
We have signs up that state WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR PERSONAL WELL BEING ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK
Did I read the article.NO
Take what you want from this. down vote if you like. I give zero fucks
Let us not condemn or judge people who lost their son. Such a tragic loss must be an intense, overwhelming and devastating pain, that we cannot imagine what we would do...
Regardless of who is at fault or who is liable, motocross won't exist in 20 years if someone doesn't come up with a legitimate release of liability. I participated in several rodeo events growing up and there is a blanket immunity (at least in TX) for facilities that host equestrian/rodeo events or practice. The same should exist for our sport. This is a dangerous sport and at some point we need to take accountability. Also while we're at it, insurance as we know it needs major reform.
Typical keyboard warriors that talk shit in their mom’s basement. It’s sad.
Sad deal for all involved….I don’t agree with lawsuits unless there was clear gross negligence present….maybe there was, I don’t know….the ONLY winners will be the attorneys, they don’t care about moto one bit and will be moving onto the next money grab that comes down the pipe….bye bye Mammoth Mtn. Mx….
These insurance companies need to get in the mix with drafting up the inherent risk legislation. They are the ones suing and getting sued left and right. Clearly they are still profiting more.
Curious, do you pay to enter rodeo events? I know WI has recreational laws where people can’t sue if they get hurt on your property for recreational use but once you charge a fee that protection goes out the window.
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I'm interested to he Keefer's take on this, he should have the most information out of all of us. He was there, Aiden was on the track in that race, he is close with the Zingg family, and he is one of us. I completely understand if we never hear a word about it from him though, but at that point I feel like his silence tells us his stance.
Bullshit. They continue driving.
As for your comment that you’d “sue the shit out of everyone,” please post your real name so local tracks will know to turn your selfish ass away at the gate.
Nice try. Lost my sister at a fairly young age to a crash caused by someone being an idiot. Don’t wish that hellish experience on my worst enemy, and my parents would say the same. However, my parents and I didn’t sue anyone.
Some of us have lived this and are not just keyboard warriors.
In most instances, yes. As far as I know, payments and/or entry fees don't remove any protections for property owners or managers.
Sueing a track because you feel it wasn't staffed good enough, but chose to let your kid ride/race? Just seems off to me. This isn't gross negligence like a tractor on the track.
I constantly don't let my kids ride at tracks or at ohv areas if I feel something isn't safe or up to par with the risk I am willing to take with their safety. I've pulled them off multiple times over the last year.
This is a catastrophic event. I couldn't even imagine. But I'd like to think I wouldn't sue the people trying to provide the means of entertainment my family was enjoying.
Well said.
He’s already spoken about it at length on Pulp after it happened (link below). He didn’t really have any more details than we have.
https://www.youtube.com/live/o3fDRLJr9QE?si=VKxy26prbi7gETNq
I heard that, I meant about the lawsuit. His opinion on the situation now is what I'm interested in.
Sorry for your loss!
This is where I stand.
Reading the article on the lawsuit to be honest was a bit maddening to me. While having a 16 year old son, I can’t imagine the loss and pain of losing him while doing something we love. That being said three things from the article get me pretty irritated.
1- Most, if not all racetracks generally don’t station flaggers in turns. We know this isn’t common and we know why.
2- A hairpin turn between jumps caused an unsafe track condition? Uh ok, first time, first lap there Dad? You or your party didn’t walk the track and recognize this?
3-your chest protector could save your life, it doesn’t mean it’s “guaranteed” to. Suing Fox here is absolutely ridiculous.
There is zero accountability on the racer or parents at all here and that is the root of all of this and most of these lawsuits. To me it appears they’re in a bad place where they’re past their grief and now angry and looking to burn it all down. If this stuff doesn’t get under control I’m fairly certain my son will never get to enjoy with his kids what I have enjoyed with him.
IMO, the law suit spawns from prolonged grief that turns to anger. Now, the son will probably not be remember for who he was but for what his parents did to over shadow is accomplishments.
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