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Yeah.....No...
Apologies, I thought Barcia won a 250MX title, I stand corrected.
Interesting - looking at past 250MX (125cc too) champs, there are a few that didn't make it in the 450 (250cc) class, but most did. Not looking as narrowly as a championship, but most were successful in the premiere class.
Broc Glover, Mark Barnett, Ryan Villopoto, Ricky Carmichael, Marty Smith, Jett Lawrence, Micky Dymond, Mike Kiedrowski, James Stewart, Doug Henry, Steve Lamson, Jeremy Martin, Dean Wilson, Hunter Lawrence, Blake Baggett, Eli Tomac, Cooper Webb, Zach Osborne, Aaron Plessinger, Dylan Ferrandis, Adam Cianciarulo, Haiden Deegan, Trey Canard, Ryan Dungey, Ivan Tedesco, Grant Langston, Mike Brown, Travis Pastrana, Jeff Emig, Guy Cooper, George Holland, Ron Lechien, Jeff Ward, Johnny O'Mara, Bob Hannah
The list narrows a lot more for the guys that won both small bore MX and SX titles. Only a really small group don’t “make it”
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After seeing the off season races... can we drop the Jett vs Deegan rivalry for now.
I feel like the Deegan’s view of success is championships, anything else is a fail.
It’s possible that Deegan’s timing into the 450 class intersecting with an all-time great (who’s arguably not even at his peak yet) will result in a title or two when things fall his way or maybe even no 450 title at all. Outside of Jett he’s still got at least two years of battling older but still fast guys like Tomac, Webb, and Roczen (all multi time 450 champs). Then there’s Sexton who’s arguably the next best after Jett and also a multi time champ, and Hunter who has been right on Jett’s tailpipe for outdoors and SMX. Outdoors there’s also JCoop and AP who are strong podium contenders.
If he follows the trajectory of 99% of successful 250 riders he’ll take a year or two of adjusting to the 450. By then those older guys are probably gone but Jett will be only 24, Hunter and Chase will be 28.
Also not forgetting that in two more years another 250 champion could emerge and be ready to take him on.
Does anyone think he will have his hands full with Davies? That kid has him on technique in supercross.
The only thing that will "shock" anyone when he moves up is if he completely fails to deliver...
You know what, fair point. That is a better indicator.
Where is Davies up to.
Been quiet. Just getting on with preparation? Healthy?
Can’t wait for his return
Title? I guess if he isn't racing a healthy Davies
He raced a healthy Davies last year and wrapped the title up a round early
Plessinger has a 250 SX and MX title. So does Hunter. HL might squeeze out a championship, but I think Aaron will "just" be a race winner.
Gets even smaller when you just look at those that won multiple 250sx and 250mx titles.
A full blown Rookie that had him in speed, made some Rookie mistakes. If i were him, i would be very worried.
Well I guess it’s a good thing you aren’t him
You're getting downvoted, but I think Davies only straight-up beat Deegan twice in SX last year. Davies is a good talent, but until he shows he can beat Deegan regularly, he seems like a longshot to beat him for a title.
Yup. Davies definitely had more for Deegan than anyone else and is already elite in the whoops, which is the toughest thing for most young guys to master. But, more often than not, Deegan was the better rider last season. As he should've been - he's 2 years older and has 2 years more experience.
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Davies caught him from behind and passed him multiple times. Somethin Haiden never did to Hunter in his rookie year. Cole outright had more speed. Clean up the rookie mistakes and he gets very dangerous.
Damn .. you guys are such professionals! See yall at A1
When? I don’t remember Deegan getting caught and passed by Davies once
I can’t stand when people say this. How did that even get started? Which is it, yes or no? 🤦🏼♂️
I doubt Davies will be on the same coast as Deegan. I do think staying in 250s will only stunt his progression in Supercross.
I guess it depends on what you consider mediocre. The below arent exactly mediocre 450 careers but would we say Deegan underperformed if he ended up with their 450 careers? Maybe
Langston
Canard
AP
Ferrandis
I think those riders you listed had pretty great careers. I suppose at this point though, Deegan is looking for more than they accomplished. Myself, if Deegan matches their accomplishments (two of your riders have a premier class championship) I would say he was accomplished. Windham never won a premier class championship, Guy Cooper as well, yet I feel they were accomplished.
Yeah that's what I mean. Their careers are fine, but I assume that most people would expect more from Deegan.
I forgot Osborne
Enjoy
https://youtu.be/-Pdgiqh9kGc?si=7iCd6LuXdLaNYe3Y
Good find, I really couldn’t remember a specific one where he got him like that. He was good that day, tricky track
So quick witted.
I'm getting whiffs of Deegan having a Forkner type of career.
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