How do the fast guys stand and accelerate?

MotoSag
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Edited Date/Time 11/2/2025 5:20am

There is an uphill hardpack straight at my local track and it's so choppy I can't sit because too much shock get transfered into my back. The only way I can accelerate is to standup but I find when I standup I hang on my arms so much it instantly gives me armpump. If I stand my elbows kinda tuck in to my sides and i feel I have no power to have my elbows up. What can I do to ride this straight faster?

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11/2/2025 5:40am

Stand on the palm of feet with toes in, this will cause you to grip the bike with your knees and inner thigh, so you don't have to have a death grip with your hands.  From the waist down you should be center on the bike, so your knees should not be bent more than a slight bend, from the waist up, you should be in attack position with your head positioned above handlebar pad and a have a straight back alignment and this should force you to have your elbows up in the attack position. Learn to loosen your grip up some.

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11/2/2025 6:42am Edited Date/Time 11/2/2025 6:42am

Drive your head forward.  Ahead of the handlebar pad.  Lots of other little technical pieces but driving your head forward with a straight back will do the trick.

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11/2/2025 6:47am

Drop your heels

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uncledaddy69
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11/2/2025 7:45am
Preston412 wrote:
Stand on the palm of feet with toes in, this will cause you to grip the bike with your knees and inner thigh, so you don't...

Stand on the palm of feet with toes in, this will cause you to grip the bike with your knees and inner thigh, so you don't have to have a death grip with your hands.  From the waist down you should be center on the bike, so your knees should not be bent more than a slight bend, from the waist up, you should be in attack position with your head positioned above handlebar pad and a have a straight back alignment and this should force you to have your elbows up in the attack position. Learn to loosen your grip up some.

This is great advice. Really want to emphasize gripping the bike with your legs and getting your head way up over the bars.

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11/2/2025 8:17am
Preston412 wrote:
Stand on the palm of feet with toes in, this will cause you to grip the bike with your knees and inner thigh, so you don't...

Stand on the palm of feet with toes in, this will cause you to grip the bike with your knees and inner thigh, so you don't have to have a death grip with your hands.  From the waist down you should be center on the bike, so your knees should not be bent more than a slight bend, from the waist up, you should be in attack position with your head positioned above handlebar pad and a have a straight back alignment and this should force you to have your elbows up in the attack position. Learn to loosen your grip up some.

This is great advice. Really want to emphasize gripping the bike with your legs and getting your head way up over the bars.

Yup, Preston's advice is spot on but I need to add that one needs to be well conditioned (core strength is important here) to maintain the correct riding posture.

 

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11/2/2025 8:23am

Your hips should tilt to stick you arse out...should feel exaggerated. Don't crouch much, this should give you less emphasis on the arms with that head fwd and arse sticking out. Watch Jett and Sexton, it looks different, but it works.

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11/2/2025 8:30am

try steg pegz

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11/2/2025 8:39am
stimacr wrote:

try steg pegz

I don’t do enough cardio and like to weight lift (bad combo for moto), so I pump up quickly. Steg Pegz are a game changer. I also really like the RJ wing seat from Guts Racing. It adds a couple inches to the sides of the seat foam for better grip. 

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Preston412 wrote:
Stand on the palm of feet with toes in, this will cause you to grip the bike with your knees and inner thigh, so you don't...

Stand on the palm of feet with toes in, this will cause you to grip the bike with your knees and inner thigh, so you don't have to have a death grip with your hands.  From the waist down you should be center on the bike, so your knees should not be bent more than a slight bend, from the waist up, you should be in attack position with your head positioned above handlebar pad and a have a straight back alignment and this should force you to have your elbows up in the attack position. Learn to loosen your grip up some.

Vid to go with Preston412's description of the stance. Vid doesn't go too much into the unlocking of the hips. 

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11/2/2025 11:07am

You want the bike to push you, not pull you, get your weigh ahead of the bike and stay on your toes.

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TDC wrote:
Your hips should tilt to stick you arse out...should feel exaggerated. Don't crouch much, this should give you less emphasis on the arms with that head...

Your hips should tilt to stick you arse out...should feel exaggerated. Don't crouch much, this should give you less emphasis on the arms with that head fwd and arse sticking out. Watch Jett and Sexton, it looks different, but it works.

Definitely, every time I think I’m way over exaggerating my butt out and head over the bars, I see a picture or video and I’m barely doing it.

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11/2/2025 11:38am

Yep, mostly covered above.  Toes in and down as if you’re a sprinter, pushing off blocks.  Knees in and squeeze. Head forward and low.  You’re pulling on the bars, but you want your lower half doing more of the work than your arms.

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11/2/2025 2:07pm
TDC wrote:
Your hips should tilt to stick you arse out...should feel exaggerated. Don't crouch much, this should give you less emphasis on the arms with that head...

Your hips should tilt to stick you arse out...should feel exaggerated. Don't crouch much, this should give you less emphasis on the arms with that head fwd and arse sticking out. Watch Jett and Sexton, it looks different, but it works.

Definitely, every time I think I’m way over exaggerating my butt out and head over the bars, I see a picture or video and I’m barely...

Definitely, every time I think I’m way over exaggerating my butt out and head over the bars, I see a picture or video and I’m barely doing it.

Armpump is my middle name and anytime i somewhat find a relief while working on technique, my stance always seems exaggerated.  That's a good way to put it.  Butt sticking back and head way forward.  

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11/2/2025 2:21pm

Ride more, and ride bicycles. Gota get fitter 

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11/2/2025 5:55pm Edited Date/Time 11/2/2025 8:19pm

These have been very helpful. I put them on with the intention of using them temporarily to help with body positioning and gripping the bike. So far no downsides so I’ll probably keep running them 


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11/2/2025 9:03pm
These have been very helpful. I put them on with the intention of using them temporarily to help with body positioning and gripping the bike. So...

These have been very helpful. I put them on with the intention of using them temporarily to help with body positioning and gripping the bike. So far no downsides so I’ll probably keep running them 


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How did you hide the hideous metal thing that keep the pegz in place ?

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11/2/2025 9:07pm Edited Date/Time 11/2/2025 9:08pm
These have been very helpful. I put them on with the intention of using them temporarily to help with body positioning and gripping the bike. So...

These have been very helpful. I put them on with the intention of using them temporarily to help with body positioning and gripping the bike. So far no downsides so I’ll probably keep running them 


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How did you hide the hideous metal thing that keep the pegz in place ?

I bought the steg wheels off eBay, no mounts. Just a big washer on the back side and absolutely zero issue with it ripping the side panel like many believed would happen 

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These have been very helpful. I put them on with the intention of using them temporarily to help with body positioning and gripping the bike. So...

These have been very helpful. I put them on with the intention of using them temporarily to help with body positioning and gripping the bike. So far no downsides so I’ll probably keep running them 


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How did you hide the hideous metal thing that keep the pegz in place ?

Are you speaking about the bolt and washer? 

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These have been very helpful. I put them on with the intention of using them temporarily to help with body positioning and gripping the bike. So...

These have been very helpful. I put them on with the intention of using them temporarily to help with body positioning and gripping the bike. So far no downsides so I’ll probably keep running them 


IMG 9948 0

How did you hide the hideous metal thing that keep the pegz in place ?

jmo443 wrote:

Are you speaking about the bolt and washer? 

No, i speak about the metal frame where the pegz are normally bolt on. I was always wondering if you could hide it behind the side panels (i think i saw few factory teams do it like Pro circuit for Kitchen)

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11/3/2025 12:24am Edited Date/Time 11/3/2025 12:48am

What helped me massively was experimenting with bike ride height / sag. As a taller heavier rider I'd always just gone for 105 sag, usually 2 or 3 spring rates heavier. 

Now I find myself closer to 100 sag (sometimes below) with much less pre-load on the spring WITH slower rebound to accommodate the stiffer spring. Then of course you have your HSC to modulate all of this. Also thinking about your fork height & fork support in combination.

This was critical in helping me on the 450 because the rear end just wants to squat (with my heavy weight on top) and then I feel every bump rather than going over them.

Of course rider technique if far more important than bike setup but this unlocked a more confident riding style for me and allowed me to safely try more things around the track.

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11/3/2025 3:21am

Lean forward 

11/3/2025 4:58am
Preston412 wrote:
Stand on the palm of feet with toes in, this will cause you to grip the bike with your knees and inner thigh, so you don't...

Stand on the palm of feet with toes in, this will cause you to grip the bike with your knees and inner thigh, so you don't have to have a death grip with your hands.  From the waist down you should be center on the bike, so your knees should not be bent more than a slight bend, from the waist up, you should be in attack position with your head positioned above handlebar pad and a have a straight back alignment and this should force you to have your elbows up in the attack position. Learn to loosen your grip up some.

Thank you for taking the time to post this. This is spot on advise!!!

11/3/2025 5:37am

The center point of the bike… be in front of it accelerating so the bike is pushing you forward instead of pulling you forward. Reverse for braking 

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