Was Windham right to be mad

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Edited Date/Time 5/11/2012 9:56am
when he lapped Reed, and Reed went wide on him?
Was it even a take out move?
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huck 4/14/2008 8:01am
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Hell yes...could you imagine how much of a fit that Reed would have thrown if somebody had done it to him? He is always bitching about lappers anyway.

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brownracing 4/14/2008 8:03am
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Hell yeah! As much as Reed bitches about lappers he should have moved over. KW is a straight up guy and deserves respect.
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Adam43 4/14/2008 8:57am
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Kevin should have been pissed alright. It was a greasy move on Reed's part, and he knows it. It may have been a heat-of-the-moment thing, but he knows that was wrong. If the roles were reversed and KW did that to him, he would've been PISSED.
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BobbyM 4/14/2008 8:58am
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maybe reed didn't do it on purpose, why would he?

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ridge 4/14/2008 9:11am
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Does anybody have it on video? I didn't see it.

I thought KW was talking about the beginning of the race when Reed pushed him wide.
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YamieRider411 4/14/2008 9:47am
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It didn't look like a big deal to me. I watched it several times. Maybe I'd see it different if I were in K-dub's shoes.
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phlewy 4/14/2008 10:03am
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Windham doesn't deserve to be champ. He should have smoked it Sat night. Instead, we get the usual Windham, a perenial also was, that doesn't have the smack to be champ.

Too much pressure for Windbag windham.

Reed ran him high?.... right...., whatever you say Kevin!! Just go home.
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TimbuK758 4/14/2008 10:09am
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^^ making up 10 points or so is still a pretty good night for kevin...

it looked like an accident on reeds part, but windham wasnt yelling about it at all, he said he just confronted him on it and asked if he did it on purpose...
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Frogman 4/14/2008 10:35am
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Reed did the same thing to Davi. He should know what to do when he sees the blue flag.
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Reed rides dirty sometimes.
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jtomasik 4/14/2008 10:43am
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Windham shoulda took his front end out, if it came down to it.
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WhKnuckle 4/14/2008 10:45am
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Much ado about nothing. Kevin was a little steamed after the race but he's probably already forgotten about it. It was a bad move on Reed's part, but no harm-no foul.
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mxrose3 4/14/2008 10:49am
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Reed was going wide in that turn every lap and hitting the outside of the berm. Probably because he needed to with the bum shoulder.
If he didn't know they were lapping him, why do anything different? Those guys should have squared him up on the inside.
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rallendude 4/14/2008 11:30am
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Kevin has a lot more to be mad about with Davi. If Honda really wants a championship they should have orders that noone finishes in front of KW if KW's inside the top five. I know that's not in the spirit of competition. But, no one remembers who got second or who won the most races, only the champ. Last week Davi cost Kevin some points by racing with him half a moto. Maybe he'd have passed another spot if Davi had let him by. This week seems the same.

As far as Reed, it looked like he ran Davi and Kevin high to me, but it did look like it was accidental.

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Phlapjax 4/14/2008 11:34am
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R-acer wrote:
Reed rides dirty sometimes.
appearently your jinxing is still working.
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TerryK 4/14/2008 1:11pm
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Good grief are you guys even watching the same vid as I am? KW had tons of room to get by. From what I could see, Reed just held his line and KW could have gone low or high. Either way he was wrong to berate Reed about nothing.
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FreshTopEnd 4/14/2008 1:26pm
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This type of topic generates the most ridiculous nonsense on the web. Reed squeezed him. Did he mean to? Probably not. His description of not wanting to be "that guy" -- a flailing lapper seemed pretty real.

But Windham isn't watching it the next day. He's in the middle of it. Did Reed disrupt Windham's momentum? Absolutely. You'd think people who are a part of this sport would remember how amped up they get when they are competing, even without everything at stake that is at stake for these guys.

Racers upset at each other at the end of a race should be totally expected. They are human in a charged environment. It's a non-issue.
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TerryK 4/14/2008 1:30pm
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
This type of topic generates the most ridiculous nonsense on the web. Reed squeezed him. Did he mean to? Probably not. His description of not wanting...
This type of topic generates the most ridiculous nonsense on the web. Reed squeezed him. Did he mean to? Probably not. His description of not wanting to be "that guy" -- a flailing lapper seemed pretty real.

But Windham isn't watching it the next day. He's in the middle of it. Did Reed disrupt Windham's momentum? Absolutely. You'd think people who are a part of this sport would remember how amped up they get when they are competing, even without everything at stake that is at stake for these guys.

Racers upset at each other at the end of a race should be totally expected. They are human in a charged environment. It's a non-issue.
You really need to look at the video.

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I think the only thing on Reed's mind was finding the smoothest part of the track to lessen the pain. I once had to ride for hours out of the desert after a really bad crash and I could feel every pebble I rolled over.

Watching him ride the Main, you could see he was looking for any and every downramp and hitting them perfectly to stay as smooth as possible, even if it was a slower line.

It's amazing how in so many crashes like this, the rider seems to match up fairly well with the ground or jump slope angle. If he had under or over rotated a bit more, it could have been really ugly.

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FreshTopEnd 4/14/2008 1:39pm
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Unless it's the video from Windham's helmet, the video doesn't mean a damn thing.

And I watched the race.

The problem is judging a guy without taking in the context of the moment and the natural emotions that charge the event as it happens, not later when everyone's flipping between ESPN and Speed.

The sort of Monday morning quarterbacking is a weak pissant sport.
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Larry 4/14/2008 1:39pm
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So did Reeds move cost KW the win? The Championship? Kw should only be mad at himself. He showed up this year planning on coming in 3rd but could have won the thing.
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TerryK 4/14/2008 1:47pm
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There was no move.
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jay_547 4/14/2008 1:51pm
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the only thing he should be mad about is the goofy provisional rule. everyone should be mad about that.
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huck 4/14/2008 1:54pm
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jay_547 wrote:
the only thing he should be mad about is the goofy provisional rule. everyone should be mad about that.
I agree...you have 2 chances to make the main, if you don't...tough titties!
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jay_547 wrote:
the only thing he should be mad about is the goofy provisional rule. everyone should be mad about that.
You mean "the mfrs rule" ? Wink
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akmx17 4/14/2008 2:29pm
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Didn't even look like Reed knew anyone was there.....if it was meant then yes, yes he does.
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WhKnuckle 4/14/2008 3:07pm
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Nothing to see here, move along...

The only reason it came up was the cameras happened to pick up Windham saying something about it right after the race. But it's nothing. Reed went wide, probably didn't think Kevin would be that close to him, he timed it a little wrong, and it's one of a million or so things that happen every season.
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DPW 4/14/2008 3:48pm
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Larry wrote:
So did Reeds move cost KW the win? The Championship? Kw should only be mad at himself. He showed up this year planning on coming in...
So did Reeds move cost KW the win? The Championship? Kw should only be mad at himself. He showed up this year planning on coming in 3rd but could have won the thing.
+1 .....
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phlewy 4/14/2008 3:58pm
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Larry wrote:
So did Reeds move cost KW the win? The Championship? Kw should only be mad at himself. He showed up this year planning on coming in...
So did Reeds move cost KW the win? The Championship? Kw should only be mad at himself. He showed up this year planning on coming in 3rd but could have won the thing.
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Hammer 4/14/2008 5:33pm
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The "floundering" line was the best of all the interviews...he was probably in so much pain he did not even pay attention to the blue flags telling him to get out of the way, "Flounder Boy!" ....

The real question is, How does he feel today?

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