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Had the shooter been identified as a left wing extremest? Serious question as I’m not actively following the story.
Manhunt for shooter still ongoing.
Hey Mav you really should delete this. Just say’n👍🏻
FBI has recovered what they think is the bolt action rifle that was used to kill Charlie along with foot, palm and forearm impressions in a wooded area where they think he has fled.
They say "he" blended in well with the college population, hinting he is a young male, college aged. They have picture(s) of him but do not want to give out too much info just yet.
That's a brief synopsis of what was said in this mornings press briefing with Salt Lake FBI director.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZsFaJagm1s
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So, Honest question - not trolling, who is Charlie's counterpart on the left? Who is the person having open, honest debate, and helping understand the issues that the left is fighting for? Would that not help heal some of this? Who was the last political activist to be assassinated, and what positive came of that?
I thought Charlie was great at what he did. I wasn't 100% on-board, I thought debating with college kids was pretty easy for a pro, but he opened eyes and was not disrespectful. On the other hand, he was probably the single biggest reason our college-age kids are choosing to be Republicans.
Lastly, the shooter was mentally ill. I don't think you can call him left-wing/right-wing, he's just broken. I hope The Country can heal and learn from this, before it turns into a slippery slope.
I really don't follow any young left leaning political activists but i have heard and seen a couple of interviews with "Destiny". Also Charlie was set to debate "Twitch Streamer" Hasan Piker in the near future. I think I have heard his name before. You can go to the 13:15 mark to see his face and reaction to seeing the video of Charlie getting shot in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4hvtoLr_Xg
Political Assassination is completely disgusting. I have no other words for what happened yesterday.
They found a gun this morning and some footprints. Might be planted and a patsy....
Not pointing fingers but UVU has cameras everywhere and the suspect didn't jump off a building... he must have had access and ran down the building to a getaway car. that makes me think....
Random spectators who lose their mind don't make that shot and get away unseen.
but like ML said most important is the prayers to his family 🙏🙏 this is such a sad story and only 15 min from my house
This really just sucks. Sorry for being whiney, but while I know very little about Charlie Kirk, what he did was simply apply the 1st Amendment to ALL people. He may have strongly supported his positions but from what I can tell he was respectful in doing so. And he gave EVERYONE an equal opportunity to express their views. It never warranted this.
I have seen a few of Charlie’s pod casts or some small snippet of a talk he had given.Not following him enough to make a solid difference in my thought or opinion of a topic in his discussions.
My opinion only, not an American view, I don’t know the US charter of rights. But Fuck ! ! !
This is a clear sign of the first attempt of silencing the opinionated. Regardless of left wing right wing opinions.
Anyone now with a opinion on anything ,political, religious, business, family will now unfortunately be laying low.
If the individual is caught ? No jail sentence for them.just plain execution. No sitting on death row for years either.FUCK THAT.
Killing one for voicing his opinion …….Jesus Christ !
It’s a sad state now and my condolences to the Kirk family.
What sort of opinion will his kids have now of society ?
Someone shot him because they disagreed with his views?
We need to take back the good old values of the 1940's - 1980's...
This is a tough question. Engaging college students directly the way Charlie did is pretty rare, from the right or left. College students aren't typically offering the best available articulation of the positions that they are looking to defend, but they usually aren't aware of their own shortcomings - it can be exasperating to constantly encounter great confidence and little knowledge. So the fact that a college student has no answer for an argument that has them stumped - as happened often when students challenged Charlie - doesn't mean that there is no answer. I'm not saying this to criticize Charlie. He was engaging young people for a completely sensible reason - most of them have already been subjected to a lot of influence from the left and have never really been seriously challenged from the right. The left doesn't need to do what Charlie did - a high proportion of the professors that are teaching them are left-learning so they're already hearing the left's arguments. I have been a university teacher. I recall teaching a course called "Values and the human condition" and I included several libertarian and conservative authors in the course and I did my best to present them as fairly, accurately, and persuasively as possible (as I generally did with anything I taught - it's better to "steel-man" than "straw-man"). I had students comment that I was the only professor that they'd had who'd exposed them to the "other side" of political and moral issues without straw-manning them. Some commented that they were surprised to see such sophisticated, persuasive arguments for views that they had to that point dismissed out of hand.
As far as leftist public intellectuals, I'd like to say someone like Sam Harris, but the left has largely disowned him on the grounds that he is an Islamophobe (which I think is ludicrous). Richard Dawkins is being called a fascist for his views on sex and gender (when Dawkins is a fascist in your eyes, you've really gone off the rails). Dan Dennet and Chistopher Hitchens are dead. I don't know if these four guys, often called "the four horsemen" of "new atheism" are even properly called "leftists" - it's not like "leftist" and "atheist" are synonyms. Someone like Cenk Uygur is certainly a leftist but he iis an embarrassing hack who made his intellectual dishonesty plain and obvious with the way he misrepresented Sam Harris's views on Islam. Bill Maher is funny and sometimes insightful and isn't afraid to publicly engage the right. His visit with the President resulted in him basically saying that Trump isn't such a bad guy, so that isn't going to win him a lot of friends on the left. Being a public figure representing the left is quite difficult because if you don't stick to the orthodoxy, they will demonize and disown you. The side that champions tolerance isn't very tolerant of dissent.
FBI thinks this is him and is seeking help from the public to find him. https://www.businessinsider.com/charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect-updates-rifle-recovered-2025-9?op=1
I get the sense they already know who it is, but who knows?
CNN once again proving they cannot be trusted at all with their "cultural phrases" headline. Absolutely pathetic.
Thanks for taking the time. I was thinking Bill Mahr as I was reading your response. He has a platform, and he is honest about his thoughts.
This is pathetic all the way around. We all have to do our part to be civil and not get provoked.
At a vigil for Charlie in Idaho an activist for BLM rides his scooter through and yells "Fuck Charlie Kirk" and he is confronted by a group in the crowd and roughed up before the cops showed up. Then he continues to shout stuff.
Charlie would have said to the guy, "Hold on, why do you say that ? Lets have a discussion" Where he would have made the guy look like a clown.
Anyways. https://www.newsweek.com/fight-vigil-charlie-kirk-idaho-2128287
But they really cant be compared to Charlie in my opinion because they are of an older generation, not the current Tik Tok generation.
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MPJC always has great insight and he's pretty accurate here.
Something to remember about new media is that liberals generally get their political content from print while conservatives get their political content from video and audio. That's why conservatives have the biggest political tv, streaming, and podcast audiences while places like substack are dominated by liberal authors and audiences.
This is true. The left has turned into something that is unrecognizable to the older generation.
The truth is I don't think there's anyone on the left that really compares. The left isn't really about reasoned arguments for their positions. Not saying these arguments don't exist, although I find most of them to be pretty weak, but am saying their movement is built on emotion, not reason. You see this in most of the debates kirk had with these college students. You see it with AOC and Jasmine Crockett and Rachel Maddow and on and on..... I think that's why the violence is increasing from the left. Appealing to emotion has been very successful over the last several years but more recently the consequences of some of those gains have become clear and reasonable people are starting to rethink things. Trans rights, criminal justice reform, etc.... too much changed too fast because of appeals to emotion and now the data is catching up. The response from many on the left has been to just double down on what they know, emotion, because engaging on the ideas themselves doesn't work for them. Anger and violence are just that emotion spilling over. So all of the dems can make their statements about condemning political violence but it doesn't mean much when they spend 99% of their time acting outraged and scared and just generally emoting.
100% correct right here...
There isn’t anyone that was as established as Kirk. There are some that engage in debates similarly to Charlie. One is Dean Withers (I think that is his last name). Sometimes he makes great points, sometimes he doesn’t.
The extremes of both sides are very emotional in there decision making. That’s what makes them extreme and why rhetoric can be so dangerous.
The leaders of this country NEED to stop the rhetoric and bridge the gap between the parties. They need to find common ground. And honestly it starts with Trump but he is only stoking the flames. The left doesn’t ‘own’ this anymore then the right ‘owns’ the Florida night club shooting, or any other number of examples from the thousands of incidents over the last couple years.
Trump was almost assassinated twice last summer while the media was calling him Hitler. ICE is constantly being assaulted across the country while the media and leftist politicians liken them to Nazis.
Please display where mainstream right media or politicians are likening individuals and/or groups to a similarly evil force of which Americans can justify assassinations. What exactly was the rhetoric that inspired the Florida nightclub shooting?
FBI is offering a $100,000 reward.
This guys live YT channel is listening in on a police scanner I think. People are calling in reporting suspicious people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUmsDENZLro
Really? Im quite sure the Repubs have lots of emotion also. That's how DT got as far as he has - whipping followers up with lots of emotion. Lots of emotional 'this is war' speak also, the last 24 hours or so.
Trying to be careful here, but I thought Trump has been trying to unite both parties by bringing in Kennedy and Gabbard (among others)? I understand he is inflammatory sometimes, and that doesn't help unite, but I think he's trying to help everyone.
My question, though, was more about the political activists, rather than the politicians. I think activists should try to unite people by debating topics and finding common ground. When activists start riots, and resort to violence and name calling, then they have failed. Politicians, on the other hand, are there to promote their party.
Images are being posted of this person that some believe to be the shooter:
https://x.com/TrevorSutcliffe/status/1966176655673799024
Is that really it? I would expect the suspect had a collapsible rifle that could fit in a backpack, also a black one to help blend in with the roof.
That thing can be seen easily.
The caliber makes sense though, a 30-06 has twice the muzzle energy as an AR. Round is a lot bigger and heavier also.
More speculation being posted everywhere about this person, but no announcement of any arrests made yet:
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