Red bull leaving KTM Group?

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PRM31 wrote:
It's not unreasonable to think KTM is choosing to leave MotoGP as part of their restructuring. This would free up Red Bull to support Honda, who...

It's not unreasonable to think KTM is choosing to leave MotoGP as part of their restructuring. This would free up Red Bull to support Honda, who lost their long time sponsor Repsol a year or so ago. 

Red Bull and Honda have quite a history, after all. 

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Red Bull and Honda have quite a history, after all. 

isn't the WSBK team still Red Bull sponsored? Or has it been a few years? I can't remember if Iker has a RB helmet or not?

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How would ya'll feel about our sport bringing on luxury and tech sponsors like in F1? (Rolex, Visa, LV, Richard Mille, AWS, Google, Oracle, etc)

Yoi're assuming said sponsors would want anything to do with what really is a niche sport with a fan base largely composed of blue collar types. They want to parade contacts around Monaco, not meet AP and Dangerboy in a muddy field aomewhere.

 

Now, DeWalt, Milwaukee, various truck brands, fast food joints, RC car brands, that sort of thing, now we're talking.

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OwenJakes wrote:

Serious question why isn’t Zyn and Copenhagen sponsoring teams? I’m surprised we don’t have a bud light sponsor 

You may be too young to remember these sponsors. 

The reason you don't/won't see them or similar ones is because congress passed one of those "protect the children" laws and made it illegal for "vice" products (ones you have to be over 18 to buy?) to sponsor events where the demographic is comprised largely of younger people. I'm pulling this from memory so I don't recall the specifics, but this is why all these sponsors are gone and not an option.

 

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How would ya'll feel about our sport bringing on luxury and tech sponsors like in F1? (Rolex, Visa, LV, Richard Mille, AWS, Google, Oracle, etc)

They wouldn't be interested. Completely wrong demographic. For the 1000th time F1 has always appealed to wealthy elites. Those companies you listed would take one look at someone like AP dressed up as a redneck cowboy - and a sample of the fans - and say, ah, no. 

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How would ya'll feel about our sport bringing on luxury and tech sponsors like in F1? (Rolex, Visa, LV, Richard Mille, AWS, Google, Oracle, etc)

Think Dollar General and you’re more in the ballpark of companies that fit our demo 😂

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How would ya'll feel about our sport bringing on luxury and tech sponsors like in F1? (Rolex, Visa, LV, Richard Mille, AWS, Google, Oracle, etc)

We are waaay too redneck to attract those sponsors.  Energy drinks and Only Fans are more in our wheelhouse.

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8/18/2025 3:03pm Edited Date/Time 9/1/2026 6:11pm

Do you guys think RB is going to keep up with the amazing amount of support they provided for so many types of niche sports now that the founder of RB has passed away? 
 don’t think it’s going to stay the same for much longer.  But I sure hope the KTM partnership continues. KTM won’t be the same without it 

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Do you guys think RB is going to keep up with the amazing amount of support they provided for so many types of niche sports now...

Do you guys think RB is going to keep up with the amazing amount of support they provided for so many types of niche sports now that the founder of RB has passed away? 
 don’t think it’s going to stay the same for much longer.  But I sure hope the KTM partnership continues. KTM won’t be the same without it 

This.  It is still a privately held company.  Rumor has it the remaining shareholders don’t have the passion for action sports that Dietrich did.  I heard from someone involved in the project that they spend somewhere in the neighborhood of $30-50,000,000 on the Stratos project alone.  That’s what you call F you money.

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CEMX182 wrote:

isn't the WSBK team still Red Bull sponsored? Or has it been a few years? I can't remember if Iker has a RB helmet or not?

I think they stopped after Hayden- pretty sure he was who brought Red Bull on in the first place, they were a personal sponsor of his for a while. Those were some goooood looking bikes! Iker has a personal deal with them, as does MM93 and a few other MotoGP and SBK guys. 

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OwenJakes wrote:

Serious question why isn’t Zyn and Copenhagen sponsoring teams? I’m surprised we don’t have a bud light sponsor 

You may be too young to remember these sponsors. The reason you don't/won't see them or similar ones is because congress passed one of those "protect the...

You may be too young to remember these sponsors. 

The reason you don't/won't see them or similar ones is because congress passed one of those "protect the children" laws and made it illegal for "vice" products (ones you have to be over 18 to buy?) to sponsor events where the demographic is comprised largely of younger people. I'm pulling this from memory so I don't recall the specifics, but this is why all these sponsors are gone and not an option.

 

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I always wondered why there was a "Villo Light" graphics kit and just assumed that ryan drank alot lol. Makes sense now!

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Paging the following teams

Home Depot KTM 

Waffle House Suzuki

2011 Ford F250 Facebook Marketplace Kawasaki Racing

Harbor Freight Yamaha

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OwenJakes wrote:

ALANI NU KTM FACTORY RACING LETS GOOOOOOO

More of a celcius guy myself but I dig the sentiment haha.

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OwenJakes wrote:

ALANI NU KTM FACTORY RACING LETS GOOOOOOO

Justin_P wrote:

More of a celcius guy myself but I dig the sentiment haha.

Brother have you had a cherry slush?

I live my life for that 8 am sip lmao

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8/18/2025 3:33pm Edited Date/Time 8/18/2025 3:37pm

It boggles the mind to consider how bad Felds sales team has to be to not land a major sponsorship deal with Caterpillar, Komatsu,  Case, Kubota or even John Deere. 

Every single weekend you've got 50k contractors, farmers and future diesel techs packed into a stadium watching dirt get mived around in front if them and you can't sell that? 

You're fired!

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8/18/2025 3:44pm Edited Date/Time 8/18/2025 3:45pm
OwenJakes wrote:

Serious question why isn’t Zyn and Copenhagen sponsoring teams? I’m surprised we don’t have a bud light sponsor 

You may be too young to remember these sponsors. The reason you don't/won't see them or similar ones is because congress passed one of those "protect the...

You may be too young to remember these sponsors. 

The reason you don't/won't see them or similar ones is because congress passed one of those "protect the children" laws and made it illegal for "vice" products (ones you have to be over 18 to buy?) to sponsor events where the demographic is comprised largely of younger people. I'm pulling this from memory so I don't recall the specifics, but this is why all these sponsors are gone and not an option.

 

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How does twisted tea sponsor H.E.P. if that is the case?

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OwenJakes wrote:

Serious question why isn’t Zyn and Copenhagen sponsoring teams? I’m surprised we don’t have a bud light sponsor 

You may be too young to remember these sponsors. The reason you don't/won't see them or similar ones is because congress passed one of those "protect the...

You may be too young to remember these sponsors. 

The reason you don't/won't see them or similar ones is because congress passed one of those "protect the children" laws and made it illegal for "vice" products (ones you have to be over 18 to buy?) to sponsor events where the demographic is comprised largely of younger people. I'm pulling this from memory so I don't recall the specifics, but this is why all these sponsors are gone and not an option.

 

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Justin_P wrote:

How does twisted tea sponsor H.E.P. if that is the case?

Like I said, I was working off memory and didn't want anyone to take what I said as gospel. I know MC had the Bud Light sponsorship but I couldn't remember how that fit in the legislation, so I did a quick search and the link below is part of what I found. I seemed to remember it being part of the big tobacco lawsuit/settlement but obviously didn't remember the specifics. See if the link sheds more light on it for you.

Nowadays, I don't think the resistance to "vice" sponsors is near what it used to be (I can image something like Only Fans inducing strokes it it existed back then) but these have been on a team level, not series sponors. Not sure how well received they would be if they took the place of Monster. 😄 After all, SX is still marketed as family entertainment.

https://motocrossactionmag.com/ask-the-mxperts-where-are-camel-chesterfield-winston/

 

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Like I said, I was working off memory and didn't want anyone to take what I said as gospel. I know MC had the Bud Light...

Like I said, I was working off memory and didn't want anyone to take what I said as gospel. I know MC had the Bud Light sponsorship but I couldn't remember how that fit in the legislation, so I did a quick search and the link below is part of what I found. I seemed to remember it being part of the big tobacco lawsuit/settlement but obviously didn't remember the specifics. See if the link sheds more light on it for you.

Nowadays, I don't think the resistance to "vice" sponsors is near what it used to be (I can image something like Only Fans inducing strokes it it existed back then) but these have been on a team level, not series sponors. Not sure how well received they would be if they took the place of Monster. 😄 After all, SX is still marketed as family entertainment.

https://motocrossactionmag.com/ask-the-mxperts-where-are-camel-chesterfield-winston/

 

I definitely wasn't trying to pull a "gotcha", I was just curious and figured it would add to the conversation. The MXA link makes it seem as though alcohol sponsors weren't banned, but just no longer pursued in conjunction with the limitations on tobacco sponsors.

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Just checked in with my main Red Bull contact, who's pretty high up the foodchain, and they stated that the US program has a contract running...

Just checked in with my main Red Bull contact, who's pretty high up the foodchain, and they stated that the US program has a contract running through 2026. They also stated that the US Supercross / Pro Motocross contracts have nothing to do with the MotoGP program. Sounds like they have no reason to change stateside.

Well if KTM has a contract you can bet your bottom dollar they will honor it. Unless of course you are one of their suppliers who got thirty cents on a dollar.

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Paging the following teams

Home Depot KTM 

Waffle House Suzuki

2011 Ford F250 Facebook Marketplace Kawasaki Racing

Harbor Freight Yamaha

Home Depot KTM even matches colors! I spend a lot at HD, must be a fit.


On a Red Bull note, will Eli become a full Red Bull athlete?

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Like I said, I was working off memory and didn't want anyone to take what I said as gospel. I know MC had the Bud Light...

Like I said, I was working off memory and didn't want anyone to take what I said as gospel. I know MC had the Bud Light sponsorship but I couldn't remember how that fit in the legislation, so I did a quick search and the link below is part of what I found. I seemed to remember it being part of the big tobacco lawsuit/settlement but obviously didn't remember the specifics. See if the link sheds more light on it for you.

Nowadays, I don't think the resistance to "vice" sponsors is near what it used to be (I can image something like Only Fans inducing strokes it it existed back then) but these have been on a team level, not series sponors. Not sure how well received they would be if they took the place of Monster. 😄 After all, SX is still marketed as family entertainment.

https://motocrossactionmag.com/ask-the-mxperts-where-are-camel-chesterfield-winston/

 

Justin_P wrote:
I definitely wasn't trying to pull a "gotcha", I was just curious and figured it would add to the conversation. The MXA link makes it seem...

I definitely wasn't trying to pull a "gotcha", I was just curious and figured it would add to the conversation. The MXA link makes it seem as though alcohol sponsors weren't banned, but just no longer pursued in conjunction with the limitations on tobacco sponsors.

If I remember correctly,  they can not sponsor a rider under 21. 

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OwenJakes wrote:

Paging the following teams

Home Depot KTM 

Waffle House Suzuki

2011 Ford F250 Facebook Marketplace Kawasaki Racing

Harbor Freight Yamaha

PRM31 wrote:
Home Depot KTM even matches colors! I spend a lot at HD, must be a fit.On a Red Bull note, will Eli become a full Red...

Home Depot KTM even matches colors! I spend a lot at HD, must be a fit.


On a Red Bull note, will Eli become a full Red Bull athlete?

He likes to fly and drive cars and ride bikes. If eli and red bull arent a marriage waiting to happen i'm clueless.

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8/18/2025 4:38pm Edited Date/Time 8/18/2025 4:40pm

Any company with a marketing budget these days needs to see ROI for every dollar spent. They’re realizing it’s nearly impossible to measure the effectiveness of and return on putting their logo on a helmet or tank shrouds.

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How would ya'll feel about our sport bringing on luxury and tech sponsors like in F1? (Rolex, Visa, LV, Richard Mille, AWS, Google, Oracle, etc)

We are waaay too redneck to attract those sponsors.  Energy drinks and Only Fans are more in our wheelhouse.

Which is kinda weird considering most people who race are middle/upper middle class. 

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8/18/2025 5:46pm Edited Date/Time 8/18/2025 7:13pm

They let these guys sponsor moto GP! And it took them a year to figure out what it was406 0

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OwenJakes wrote:

Paging the following teams

Home Depot KTM 

Waffle House Suzuki

2011 Ford F250 Facebook Marketplace Kawasaki Racing

Harbor Freight Yamaha

Methamphetamine Gas Gas

 

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How would ya'll feel about our sport bringing on luxury and tech sponsors like in F1? (Rolex, Visa, LV, Richard Mille, AWS, Google, Oracle, etc)

We are waaay too redneck to attract those sponsors.  Energy drinks and Only Fans are more in our wheelhouse.

agn5008 wrote:

Which is kinda weird considering most people who race are middle/upper middle class. 

Really? If that is the case it seems they're not 'culturally' upper class. Someone can have a lot of money and still be a total bogan. Same applies for the middle class, although in the US context, it's my understanding middle class doesn't mean the same as in the rest of the world. It seems in the US you can be 'middle class' and still be pretty skint. Most of the really rich people supporting their kids in moto seems to be ex-pro riders, or owners of 'blue collar' type businesses or moto-related businesses. I've not seen any aristocrats or owners/CEOs of tech companies for example. 

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