New Stark Varg MX 1.2 out now

tek14 wrote:

Battery development is kind of weird thing. You have same electrodes, separator, and electrolyte to play and still you get steady development like train that moves...

Battery development is kind of weird thing. You have same electrodes, separator, and electrolyte to play and still you get steady development like train that moves constant speed. Doesnt marginals of materials improve(wall thickness or so) or quality of material used(mix of materials) improve slowly? I would think if materials stay same and wall thickness coming to point where is finest improvements have reach their limit. Comparing P42b and P50b does they use same materials just different thickness or have they used different electrodes/electolyte materials? Some batteries like RC-car hobby batteries are reached their limit with what they sell and can produce, they can do better cells but cost will jump and no one will buy as current ones are good enough. 

Another thing is cost that is down from first Starks to current models even capacity of cells have improved. 

jazza167 wrote:

Out of curiosity, what are those massive benefits? 

Cayden Thompson wrote:

Instant and crazy torque, insane acceleration, more reliable (less parts), almost zero maintenance, save lots of $$$ not buying gas and on maintenance, charge from home...

Instant and crazy torque, insane acceleration, more reliable (less parts), almost zero maintenance, save lots of $$$ not buying gas and on maintenance, charge from home (wake up with a full charge everyday. Don't have to deal with nasty and crowded gas stations), over the air software updates (Software defined vehicles like Stark, Rivian, Tesla get better over time. When you buy an ICE vehicle, that's what you're stuck with). More safety features (my Tesla has saved my life a couple of times), connected app with customization. Autonomy. Better for environment (I could I give a shit less). I'm sure I'm missing some. 

JazzyJJ wrote:

Better for environment? Nope. Also, I'd rather deal with a gas station than trying to figure out how to charge at the track but to each...

Better for environment? Nope. Also, I'd rather deal with a gas station than trying to figure out how to charge at the track but to each their own.

byke wrote:

I don't want to say that video is the dumbest thing I've ever seen, because...just look outside today, but that video is pretty dumb, grossly hyping...

I don't want to say that video is the dumbest thing I've ever seen, because...just look outside today, but that video is pretty dumb, grossly hyping up small incremental improvements as something mind blowing and while taking almost 24 minutes to do it. So much for this company spreading out with other models to balance revenue. They're putting their effort into small variations of the same thing. Gonna need some new investors next year...

devotid wrote:

As someone who has raced electric RC cars at the top level for over 30 years (and helped start a few battery companies), trust me when...

As someone who has raced electric RC cars at the top level for over 30 years (and helped start a few battery companies), trust me when I say that battery tech isnt going to shoot up in the next 5 years like they keep telling you. It just isnt.

The battery companies are already stretching the capacities and charging rates to the limit. The battery everyone thinks is coming soon is 20+ yrs away.... Sorry.

My worthless $0.02

byke wrote:

I don't want to say that video is the dumbest thing I've ever seen, because...just look outside today, but that video is pretty dumb, grossly hyping...

I don't want to say that video is the dumbest thing I've ever seen, because...just look outside today, but that video is pretty dumb, grossly hyping up small incremental improvements as something mind blowing and while taking almost 24 minutes to do it. So much for this company spreading out with other models to balance revenue. They're putting their effort into small variations of the same thing. Gonna need some new investors next year...

mumbles wrote:

It's funny how people can look at something completely opposite. I thought this video for a new bike launch was probably the best and most professional video...

It's funny how people can look at something completely opposite. 

I thought this video for a new bike launch was probably the best and most professional video I have ever seen. They made it clear it wasn't vastly different but explained each item very well. He spent some money having somebody that was not moto but someone in the video/film/marketing industry put together this video. Well done in my eyes.

Cayden Thompson wrote:

Instant and crazy torque, insane acceleration, more reliable (less parts), almost zero maintenance, save lots of $$$ not buying gas and on maintenance, charge from home...

Instant and crazy torque, insane acceleration, more reliable (less parts), almost zero maintenance, save lots of $$$ not buying gas and on maintenance, charge from home (wake up with a full charge everyday. Don't have to deal with nasty and crowded gas stations), over the air software updates (Software defined vehicles like Stark, Rivian, Tesla get better over time. When you buy an ICE vehicle, that's what you're stuck with). More safety features (my Tesla has saved my life a couple of times), connected app with customization. Autonomy. Better for environment (I could I give a shit less). I'm sure I'm missing some. 

JazzyJJ wrote:

Better for environment? Nope. Also, I'd rather deal with a gas station than trying to figure out how to charge at the track but to each...

Better for environment? Nope. Also, I'd rather deal with a gas station than trying to figure out how to charge at the track but to each their own.

Cayden Thompson wrote:

Studies have shown EVs are better for the environment after 2 years of ownership roughly. Charging your Stark can be a pain, you'll have to lug...

Studies have shown EVs are better for the environment after 2 years of ownership roughly. Charging your Stark can be a pain, you'll have to lug around a generator unless you have a gas or EV truck with a 240V outlet outboard. Then that's even easier than lugging around a gas can. 

byke wrote:

I don't want to say that video is the dumbest thing I've ever seen, because...just look outside today, but that video is pretty dumb, grossly hyping...

I don't want to say that video is the dumbest thing I've ever seen, because...just look outside today, but that video is pretty dumb, grossly hyping up small incremental improvements as something mind blowing and while taking almost 24 minutes to do it. So much for this company spreading out with other models to balance revenue. They're putting their effort into small variations of the same thing. Gonna need some new investors next year...

mumbles wrote:

It's funny how people can look at something completely opposite. I thought this video for a new bike launch was probably the best and most professional video...

It's funny how people can look at something completely opposite. 

I thought this video for a new bike launch was probably the best and most professional video I have ever seen. They made it clear it wasn't vastly different but explained each item very well. He spent some money having somebody that was not moto but someone in the video/film/marketing industry put together this video. Well done in my eyes.

byke wrote:

Zero complaints on the quality, aside from the decision to slow zoom on Anton's smiling face while looking like Gwyneth Paltrow, but it's funny to make...

Zero complaints on the quality, aside from the decision to slow zoom on Anton's smiling face while looking like Gwyneth Paltrow, but it's funny to make a 24min marketing video for the regular two year cycle of whatever 250/450 overhyping every little incremental change. Heck, even the Vital six-bike shootouts aren't that long, covering the model changes and ride reviews for six bikes. They have to overhype every little thing and it leaves me wondering.....so this is what they've been doing?? This company won't survive on however many variations and iterations of an e-equivalent of one 450, which the validation for that will be if they need more investing. If another big cash dump comes along, the sooner it happens, the worse off they are. Anything within the next year is pretty bad. And I don't say this as any sort of deterrent, anyone that wants one should buy one, ride a bunch to figure out wear items, and stock up on spares.

JazzyJJ wrote:

Better for environment? Nope. Also, I'd rather deal with a gas station than trying to figure out how to charge at the track but to each...

Better for environment? Nope. Also, I'd rather deal with a gas station than trying to figure out how to charge at the track but to each their own.

Cayden Thompson wrote:

Studies have shown EVs are better for the environment after 2 years of ownership roughly. Charging your Stark can be a pain, you'll have to lug...

Studies have shown EVs are better for the environment after 2 years of ownership roughly. Charging your Stark can be a pain, you'll have to lug around a generator unless you have a gas or EV truck with a 240V outlet outboard. Then that's even easier than lugging around a gas can. 

JazzyJJ wrote:

cope

Cayden Thompson wrote:

Studies have shown EVs are better for the environment after 2 years of ownership roughly. Charging your Stark can be a pain, you'll have to lug...

Studies have shown EVs are better for the environment after 2 years of ownership roughly. Charging your Stark can be a pain, you'll have to lug around a generator unless you have a gas or EV truck with a 240V outlet outboard. Then that's even easier than lugging around a gas can. 

JazzyJJ wrote:

cope

davis224 wrote:

I really wish people were capable of having discussions about this without bias or quickly devolving into insults. It honestly interests me, factoring in all the...

I really wish people were capable of having discussions about this without bias or quickly devolving into insults. It honestly interests me, factoring in all the things that go into producing gas vs EV, long term care, where power is derived from charging, amount of moving/wear parts, etc.

But it's usually "it's electric so it's all sunshine and rainbows" or "lol battery fires and coal plants", followed by a picture of a copper mine labeled as a lithium mine, or an article saying that your paid for 2001 diesel that's bulletproof and doesn't need many replacement parts is the reason we're all gonna die.

Cayden Thompson wrote:

Instant and crazy torque, insane acceleration, more reliable (less parts), almost zero maintenance, save lots of $$$ not buying gas and on maintenance, charge from home...

Instant and crazy torque, insane acceleration, more reliable (less parts), almost zero maintenance, save lots of $$$ not buying gas and on maintenance, charge from home (wake up with a full charge everyday. Don't have to deal with nasty and crowded gas stations), over the air software updates (Software defined vehicles like Stark, Rivian, Tesla get better over time. When you buy an ICE vehicle, that's what you're stuck with). More safety features (my Tesla has saved my life a couple of times), connected app with customization. Autonomy. Better for environment (I could I give a shit less). I'm sure I'm missing some. 

JazzyJJ wrote:

Better for environment? Nope. Also, I'd rather deal with a gas station than trying to figure out how to charge at the track but to each...

Better for environment? Nope. Also, I'd rather deal with a gas station than trying to figure out how to charge at the track but to each their own.

Cayden Thompson wrote:

Studies have shown EVs are better for the environment after 2 years of ownership roughly. Charging your Stark can be a pain, you'll have to lug...

Studies have shown EVs are better for the environment after 2 years of ownership roughly. Charging your Stark can be a pain, you'll have to lug around a generator unless you have a gas or EV truck with a 240V outlet outboard. Then that's even easier than lugging around a gas can. 

byke wrote:

I don't want to say that video is the dumbest thing I've ever seen, because...just look outside today, but that video is pretty dumb, grossly hyping...

I don't want to say that video is the dumbest thing I've ever seen, because...just look outside today, but that video is pretty dumb, grossly hyping up small incremental improvements as something mind blowing and while taking almost 24 minutes to do it. So much for this company spreading out with other models to balance revenue. They're putting their effort into small variations of the same thing. Gonna need some new investors next year...

JazzyJJ wrote:

Better for environment? Nope. Also, I'd rather deal with a gas station than trying to figure out how to charge at the track but to each...

Better for environment? Nope. Also, I'd rather deal with a gas station than trying to figure out how to charge at the track but to each their own.

Cayden Thompson wrote:

Studies have shown EVs are better for the environment after 2 years of ownership roughly. Charging your Stark can be a pain, you'll have to lug...

Studies have shown EVs are better for the environment after 2 years of ownership roughly. Charging your Stark can be a pain, you'll have to lug around a generator unless you have a gas or EV truck with a 240V outlet outboard. Then that's even easier than lugging around a gas can. 

Zycki11 wrote:

Buzzer. Wrong, you posted earlier for your reasons of purchase which is fine. Those sound all nice and such, but reality and facts start to get...

Buzzer. Wrong, you posted earlier for your reasons of purchase which is fine. Those sound all nice and such, but reality and facts start to get skewed when you say things like this.  Batteries fail quickly, are expensive to replace and HORRIBLE for the environment from the start of mining, digging in earths core, finding special metals, and then to the time is it not recycled properly because they haven't found a way to do it.  I am all for consumer options, but do not sway the facts.  The automotive industry is just on the edge of breaking the obvious news to everyone.  Electric while nice for many, is not the answer. This doesn't even factor in the true cost of mining and the long term affects in the environment. I was always fascinated that people think electric is "better" for our planet when they refuse to see the total picture of how bad batteries actually are. 

6ully wrote:

So many crusty boomers in every Stark thread. I don't even own a Stark but watching boomers absolutely seethe and shart themselves over electric motors makes...

So many crusty boomers in every Stark thread. I don't even own a Stark but watching boomers absolutely seethe and shart themselves over electric motors makes me want one so bad 😂

byke wrote:

Not really a past/future issue. We've had electric cars for two hundred years. 

6ully wrote:

So many crusty boomers in every Stark thread. I don't even own a Stark but watching boomers absolutely seethe and shart themselves over electric motors makes...

So many crusty boomers in every Stark thread. I don't even own a Stark but watching boomers absolutely seethe and shart themselves over electric motors makes me want one so bad 😂

Cayden Thompson wrote:

Boomers truly are stuck in the past..

6ully wrote:

So many crusty boomers in every Stark thread. I don't even own a Stark but watching boomers absolutely seethe and shart themselves over electric motors makes...

So many crusty boomers in every Stark thread. I don't even own a Stark but watching boomers absolutely seethe and shart themselves over electric motors makes me want one so bad 😂

Cayden Thompson wrote:

Boomers truly are stuck in the past..

RACING wrote:

You truly have to be young and naive to think Stark Future is the future.

 

 

Cayden Thompson wrote:

Studies have shown EVs are better for the environment after 2 years of ownership roughly. Charging your Stark can be a pain, you'll have to lug...

Studies have shown EVs are better for the environment after 2 years of ownership roughly. Charging your Stark can be a pain, you'll have to lug around a generator unless you have a gas or EV truck with a 240V outlet outboard. Then that's even easier than lugging around a gas can. 

Zycki11 wrote:

Buzzer. Wrong, you posted earlier for your reasons of purchase which is fine. Those sound all nice and such, but reality and facts start to get...

Buzzer. Wrong, you posted earlier for your reasons of purchase which is fine. Those sound all nice and such, but reality and facts start to get skewed when you say things like this.  Batteries fail quickly, are expensive to replace and HORRIBLE for the environment from the start of mining, digging in earths core, finding special metals, and then to the time is it not recycled properly because they haven't found a way to do it.  I am all for consumer options, but do not sway the facts.  The automotive industry is just on the edge of breaking the obvious news to everyone.  Electric while nice for many, is not the answer. This doesn't even factor in the true cost of mining and the long term affects in the environment. I was always fascinated that people think electric is "better" for our planet when they refuse to see the total picture of how bad batteries actually are. 

Cayden Thompson wrote:

byke wrote:

Not really a past/future issue. We've had electric cars for two hundred years. 

Cayden Thompson wrote:

That's true, I'll give you that one. Still, electric motors still a superior design.

6ully wrote:

So many crusty boomers in every Stark thread. I don't even own a Stark but watching boomers absolutely seethe and shart themselves over electric motors makes...

So many crusty boomers in every Stark thread. I don't even own a Stark but watching boomers absolutely seethe and shart themselves over electric motors makes me want one so bad 😂

Zycki11 wrote:

Buzzer. Wrong, you posted earlier for your reasons of purchase which is fine. Those sound all nice and such, but reality and facts start to get...

Buzzer. Wrong, you posted earlier for your reasons of purchase which is fine. Those sound all nice and such, but reality and facts start to get skewed when you say things like this.  Batteries fail quickly, are expensive to replace and HORRIBLE for the environment from the start of mining, digging in earths core, finding special metals, and then to the time is it not recycled properly because they haven't found a way to do it.  I am all for consumer options, but do not sway the facts.  The automotive industry is just on the edge of breaking the obvious news to everyone.  Electric while nice for many, is not the answer. This doesn't even factor in the true cost of mining and the long term affects in the environment. I was always fascinated that people think electric is "better" for our planet when they refuse to see the total picture of how bad batteries actually are. 

Cayden Thompson wrote:

Zycki11 wrote:

You can't be serious with this... are you? Honestly? It all makes sense now

6ully wrote:

So many crusty boomers in every Stark thread. I don't even own a Stark but watching boomers absolutely seethe and shart themselves over electric motors makes...

So many crusty boomers in every Stark thread. I don't even own a Stark but watching boomers absolutely seethe and shart themselves over electric motors makes me want one so bad 😂

Zycki11 wrote:

Not a boomer, I have been in the automotive industry and seen first hand all of the fun electric that is "so great and superior" I...

Not a boomer, I have been in the automotive industry and seen first hand all of the fun electric that is "so great and superior" I can't help but laugh at the naivety in here.  Not one person in here has had to deal with finding vendors for "recycle" which is a false term for throwing away and sucking the acid out, then farming precious metals out of the battery and pitching the rest in the dump like normal that is FAR more contaminant than oil. Or battery manufacturers on a regular basis with all of the issues.  Further more, the "length or hold of charge" depreciates much more rapid than that stupid answer that was provided above. I guess I am just astonished that everyone just says "yeah man, everyone is old and grump" instead of being smart and not a lazy loser and doing the research themselves.  Diesels will stil outlast an electric car, so will gasoline in longevity.  

Again, be proud and happy if you own one and it works for your situation.  Just don't go around saying it is superior, and it is all old grumpy bastards who think it sucks. That isn't the reality 

Cayden Thompson wrote:

Yeee I was just gonna post this. As a Tesla owner, I see the massive benefits of EVs. I want one 🔥

6ully wrote:

So many crusty boomers in every Stark thread. I don't even own a Stark but watching boomers absolutely seethe and shart themselves over electric motors makes...

So many crusty boomers in every Stark thread. I don't even own a Stark but watching boomers absolutely seethe and shart themselves over electric motors makes me want one so bad 😂

Zycki11 wrote:

Not a boomer, I have been in the automotive industry and seen first hand all of the fun electric that is "so great and superior" I...

Not a boomer, I have been in the automotive industry and seen first hand all of the fun electric that is "so great and superior" I can't help but laugh at the naivety in here.  Not one person in here has had to deal with finding vendors for "recycle" which is a false term for throwing away and sucking the acid out, then farming precious metals out of the battery and pitching the rest in the dump like normal that is FAR more contaminant than oil. Or battery manufacturers on a regular basis with all of the issues.  Further more, the "length or hold of charge" depreciates much more rapid than that stupid answer that was provided above. I guess I am just astonished that everyone just says "yeah man, everyone is old and grump" instead of being smart and not a lazy loser and doing the research themselves.  Diesels will stil outlast an electric car, so will gasoline in longevity.  

Again, be proud and happy if you own one and it works for your situation.  Just don't go around saying it is superior, and it is all old grumpy bastards who think it sucks. That isn't the reality 

6ully wrote:

This guy cant even read lmao no wonder he's so mad!I don't even own one and you wrote an entire novel to me about it 😂"no...

This guy cant even read lmao no wonder he's so mad!

I don't even own one and you wrote an entire novel to me about it 😂

"no y-y-you don't get it! th-th-the heckin vendors are ssssuckin the acid out!" "im not a e-hater i-i-i-just cant stop lookin at stark threads" 

Nobody is takin your freedoms away! The bikes are fast and fun get over it lol 

 

Cayden Thompson wrote:

Zycki11 wrote:

You can't be serious with this... are you? Honestly? It all makes sense now

Cayden Thompson wrote:

Feel free to educate-

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/dec/23/do-electric-cars-really-produce-fewer-carbon-emissions-than-petrol-or-diesel-vehicles

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/when-do-electric-vehicles-become-cleaner-than-gasoline-cars-2021-06-29/

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/when-do-electric-vehicles-become-cleaner-than-gasoline-cars-2021-06-29/

https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-21-misleading-myths-about-electric-vehicles/

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/electric-vehicles-contribute-fewer-emissions-than-gasoline-powered-cars-over-their-lifetimes/

https://www.lifewire.com/how-green-are-electric‑vehicles‑5201100

https://greenly.earth/en-us/blog/company-guide/train-vs-car-what-are-th…

Zycki11 wrote:

Not a boomer, I have been in the automotive industry and seen first hand all of the fun electric that is "so great and superior" I...

Not a boomer, I have been in the automotive industry and seen first hand all of the fun electric that is "so great and superior" I can't help but laugh at the naivety in here.  Not one person in here has had to deal with finding vendors for "recycle" which is a false term for throwing away and sucking the acid out, then farming precious metals out of the battery and pitching the rest in the dump like normal that is FAR more contaminant than oil. Or battery manufacturers on a regular basis with all of the issues.  Further more, the "length or hold of charge" depreciates much more rapid than that stupid answer that was provided above. I guess I am just astonished that everyone just says "yeah man, everyone is old and grump" instead of being smart and not a lazy loser and doing the research themselves.  Diesels will stil outlast an electric car, so will gasoline in longevity.  

Again, be proud and happy if you own one and it works for your situation.  Just don't go around saying it is superior, and it is all old grumpy bastards who think it sucks. That isn't the reality 

6ully wrote:

This guy cant even read lmao no wonder he's so mad!I don't even own one and you wrote an entire novel to me about it 😂"no...

This guy cant even read lmao no wonder he's so mad!

I don't even own one and you wrote an entire novel to me about it 😂

"no y-y-you don't get it! th-th-the heckin vendors are ssssuckin the acid out!" "im not a e-hater i-i-i-just cant stop lookin at stark threads" 

Nobody is takin your freedoms away! The bikes are fast and fun get over it lol 

 

Zycki11 wrote:

I think your cognitive abilities may be lacking. Where did reading comprehension fail? Also, the anger?  Not one bit, more correction. But hey, you do you...

I think your cognitive abilities may be lacking. Where did reading comprehension fail? Also, the anger?  Not one bit, more correction. But hey, you do you jiggaboo 

Cayden Thompson wrote:

Zycki11 wrote:

You can't be serious with this... are you? Honestly? It all makes sense now

Cayden Thompson wrote:

Feel free to educate-

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/dec/23/do-electric-cars-really-produce-fewer-carbon-emissions-than-petrol-or-diesel-vehicles

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/when-do-electric-vehicles-become-cleaner-than-gasoline-cars-2021-06-29/

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/when-do-electric-vehicles-become-cleaner-than-gasoline-cars-2021-06-29/

https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-21-misleading-myths-about-electric-vehicles/

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/electric-vehicles-contribute-fewer-emissions-than-gasoline-powered-cars-over-their-lifetimes/

https://www.lifewire.com/how-green-are-electric‑vehicles‑5201100

https://greenly.earth/en-us/blog/company-guide/train-vs-car-what-are-th…