Any other Aussies confused with the Lawrence’s at Washougal?

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7/20/2025 12:52pm
Crush wrote:
What do we think is the reason behind Jett and Hunter’s seemingly down results amongst the pines?There are so many tracks on the US circuit that...

What do we think is the reason behind Jett and Hunter’s seemingly down results amongst the pines?

There are so many tracks on the US circuit that look completely foreign dirt wise… but if I thought about typical Aussie moto tracks the Washougal dirt comes to mind…

And the boys are smooth. Their bikes are too supposedly… seems like it should be a match made in heaven! 

Not the end of the world but does strike me as weird.


 

The dirt at washougal is loose on top and hard packed underneath and the composition from all the redwoods makes the dirt unique.

Also, while their bikes look great outdoors that could be attributed to most od the tracks being soft and loamy. While in supercross, on the harder soils they were having issues.

Being slightky off on bike setup, on a track that everyone is going fast on makes life harder

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Derpin' DJ wrote:
Dunno, but Roczen was a bit similar. Seemed like a track that should have suited him, but it's typically been his worst track. Strangely suits aggressive...

Dunno, but Roczen was a bit similar. Seemed like a track that should have suited him, but it's typically been his worst track. Strangely suits aggressive riders better

The slow technique style works where over riding would slow you down such as rough and rutted tracks. Washougal doesn't get deep ruts or very many and there are a lot of fast corners so a aggressive rider can do well here. 

It was less so back on two strokes though which is why Kevin Windham could beat RC4 here

7/20/2025 1:08pm
Derpin' DJ wrote:
Dunno, but Roczen was a bit similar. Seemed like a track that should have suited him, but it's typically been his worst track. Strangely suits aggressive...

Dunno, but Roczen was a bit similar. Seemed like a track that should have suited him, but it's typically been his worst track. Strangely suits aggressive riders better

Yeah there were all these years everyone said Marv and Kenny would have the advantage there but Eli would yard them. Dunge is the king there though 

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To me it seemed like Jett and Hunters bike set up was a little bit off. The bikes looked nervous and were deflecting off the bumps. Sextons bike looked much more settled and planted

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7/20/2025 2:24pm

Don't sweat it, it was one bad race at a track neither of them like.  They'll be back to going 1-2 again unless Chase can rock the boat.  Those brothers are so dialed it takes a lot of stars to align for someone to beat them.

I will say I thought the luck was going to go their way again (like Hangtown) with the red flag restart and putting Hunter in front of Chase.  I was surprised Chase got around him so quick and made it happen, but it was fun to watch.

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7/20/2025 2:32pm

Washougal has thrown A LOT of HRC 450 riders other ground…

I think the Lawrence’s were aware of this. 🤣

 

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It seemed to me like their bikes were set up incredibly bouncy, where as Chase and Tomac were keeping their wheels driven to the ground, and with this being a flatter track in terms of braking bumps it seemed like a not perfect mixture

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Yeah there were all these years everyone said Marv and Kenny would have the advantage there but Eli would yard them. Dunge is the king there...

Yeah there were all these years everyone said Marv and Kenny would have the advantage there but Eli would yard them. Dunge is the king there though 

Still can’t believe Alessi held off Dungey for an entire Moto at that track

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7/20/2025 9:24pm
Boomslang wrote:
I don't consider Hunter's result sub par. Tomac, Sexton and the boys were simply better on the day...I mean it ain't realistic to think Jett and...

I don't consider Hunter's result sub par. Tomac, Sexton and the boys were simply better on the day...I mean it ain't realistic to think Jett and Hunter can finish 1 and 2 for every race.

Hunter rode smart. He took his result without riding over his head and remains 2nd in the Championship.

Sexton had Jett covered forcing Jett to except that he was 2nd best on the day. 

 

Agreed. But wouldn’t it have been nice to see sexton pass Jett on the way to a win? 
From what I saw, Jett had his feet on the ground when Sexton blew by with his superior speed. 
Yes it’s a part of racing and the win is deserved. 
However it’s still not the type of dominant win that Jett lays on everyone else week in week out. 
I didn’t see any cracks in Jett yet, but it could be the mental boost Sexton needs to stop thinking Jett is unbeatable. 

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7/20/2025 9:33pm
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Washougal has always been Hunter’s worst track, and today was no different going by his lap times. Also heard Jett say he doesn’t like it, so...

Washougal has always been Hunter’s worst track, and today was no different going by his lap times. Also heard Jett say he doesn’t like it, so there’s definitely something to it.

I agree.  They don't vibe with the track.  I saw them both in 2022 there and they seemed off of their normal pace.

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They grew up riding sand tracks (Roys Rd, Coolum) and have always been on record that they aren't keen on taking risk when not comfortable, be it due to setup, track conditions or otherwise

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7/20/2025 9:41pm

Another 3-1 and Jett might as well retire. 

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From Southern Queensland!? 😆Washougal nothing like where they were born or where they live currently.Fast as hell hard pack clay...when it's wet on top it's ice...no...

From Southern Queensland!? 😆

Washougal nothing like where they were born or where they live currently.

Fast as hell hard pack clay...when it's wet on top it's ice...no matter the season...Shadows for days..Wasn't ripped to shit like usual today.

Jett knows the 'ice' feeling ...you can see it...they all do.

Sketchy first laps for all trying to push and but being aware of how slick it is....it doesn't feel like it looks.

I'll shut up because this is all irrelevant ..They absolutely shredded the place to pieces 

It looks actually similar but on a bigger scale to Toowoomba Echo Valley hard packed clay very slippery when watered or rain, and get hard chopping sharp bumps.

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From Southern Queensland!? 😆Washougal nothing like where they were born or where they live currently.Fast as hell hard pack clay...when it's wet on top it's ice...no...

From Southern Queensland!? 😆

Washougal nothing like where they were born or where they live currently.

Fast as hell hard pack clay...when it's wet on top it's ice...no matter the season...Shadows for days..Wasn't ripped to shit like usual today.

Jett knows the 'ice' feeling ...you can see it...they all do.

Sketchy first laps for all trying to push and but being aware of how slick it is....it doesn't feel like it looks.

I'll shut up because this is all irrelevant ..They absolutely shredded the place to pieces 

snowy816 wrote:
It looks actually similar but on a bigger scale to Toowoomba Echo Valley hard packed clay very slippery when watered or rain, and get hard chopping...

It looks actually similar but on a bigger scale to Toowoomba Echo Valley hard packed clay very slippery when watered or rain, and get hard chopping sharp bumps.

That’s the track I think of when looking at Washougal as far the dirt goes. Clay that can be blue groove and dusty, add water turns to glass, if ripped rut city, but for an hour or so every day is the perfect tackiness.

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7/21/2025 12:42am

Maybe they removed the traction control... LOL 

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Did he roll over for him? Havent rewatched the moto but didn't Hunter pass him back? And Jett threaded the needle pretty good to repass Hunter...

Did he roll over for him? Havent rewatched the moto but didn't Hunter pass him back? And Jett threaded the needle pretty good to repass Hunter. Wouldn't call that rolling over at all. He did seem to go extra hard fighting Chase when he clearly didnt have his pace, 

I don’t think he “rolls over” either. No more than every other rider on the track “rolls over” when Jet catches up!


No one wants to beat Jet more than Hunter. But Jet’s a team mate that looks like winning the title - Hunter doesn’t want to get back to the team tent having derailed that either. So pass him, yes: Take him out doing it, no. 

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2nd overall and 4th overall.

I really don't think those sorts of results should bring on 'Strurm und Drang' for either the Hunta Brothers, or, fellow Aussies. 

In this Sport, things can turn to s**t with nothing but a simple 'Foot Stomp', ala Jetts SX injury. And, that, or far worse, can happen in an instant.

Take it as it comes, is my viewpoint. 

And, the points tally, at the end of a series, is, what it is.

It's good to see Sexton get back to racing, and get himself together, and, Tomac,  too, improving after a bit of a lull. 

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7/21/2025 4:29am
Boomslang wrote:
I don't consider Hunter's result sub par. Tomac, Sexton and the boys were simply better on the day...I mean it ain't realistic to think Jett and...

I don't consider Hunter's result sub par. Tomac, Sexton and the boys were simply better on the day...I mean it ain't realistic to think Jett and Hunter can finish 1 and 2 for every race.

Hunter rode smart. He took his result without riding over his head and remains 2nd in the Championship.

Sexton had Jett covered forcing Jett to except that he was 2nd best on the day. 

 

Joel Spoor wrote:
Agreed. But wouldn’t it have been nice to see sexton pass Jett on the way to a win? From what I saw, Jett had his feet on...

Agreed. But wouldn’t it have been nice to see sexton pass Jett on the way to a win? 
From what I saw, Jett had his feet on the ground when Sexton blew by with his superior speed. 
Yes it’s a part of racing and the win is deserved. 
However it’s still not the type of dominant win that Jett lays on everyone else week in week out. 
I didn’t see any cracks in Jett yet, but it could be the mental boost Sexton needs to stop thinking Jett is unbeatable. 

To me, Sexton pushing Jett hard enough to lay his bike over is just as nice. Then in moto 2 Jett had to ride so far out of his line to block Chase from passing him, again just as nice. But again it’s just one weekend, but I hope it’s sign of more to come.

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