Finally, Eli and Jorge tackle burning questions...

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Maybe jorge should take that hrc Honda spot in mxgp now that gajser is leaving. That bike would suit him I think. Kawi looks like shit. Last...

Maybe jorge should take that hrc Honda spot in mxgp now that gajser is leaving. That bike would suit him I think. 

Kawi looks like shit. Last guy that made that bike look good in America was masterpool on an almost stock bike. Prado’s bike just looks dead, sluggish, heavy, and unresponsive. Same goes for Anderson’s and AC9 when he was on it.  

Lewis mentioned Prado reached out to HRC and Yamaha in Europe but nothing came of it.

 

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I’d love to see Prado on a different bike of his choice set up the way he’d like. I can see him potentially doing better more...

I’d love to see Prado on a different bike of his choice set up the way he’d like. I can see him potentially doing better more consistently but can’t see him dominating like he thinks. Lap times seem to drop off second half of the moto so who knows if his fitness is up to par even if he finds his magical bike. 

What do you mean?   The Kawasaki was his choice.    You've watched the races this year, and seen groups of riders pass him in bunches after an ok start.  That's on him.  By all accounts the team and some very smart people there are doing everything they can to make him comfortable.

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So Prado says the bike isn’t where he needs it, and everyone here says it’s annoying and he’s making excuses, but Tomac says the same thing...

So Prado says the bike isn’t where he needs it, and everyone here says it’s annoying and he’s making excuses, but Tomac says the same thing in the same interview and not a word…….

matze wrote:

exactly my thoughts aswell lmao
Not surprised tho

Tomac was beating himself up over the Milville setup, even mentioning that "he" has done this to "himself" several times in his career.

Prado was flippantly saying he's done everything right and his results are out of his hands.

You guys see the difference, right? 

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Maybe jorge should take that hrc Honda spot in mxgp now that gajser is leaving. That bike would suit him I think. Kawi looks like shit. Last...

Maybe jorge should take that hrc Honda spot in mxgp now that gajser is leaving. That bike would suit him I think. 

Kawi looks like shit. Last guy that made that bike look good in America was masterpool on an almost stock bike. Prado’s bike just looks dead, sluggish, heavy, and unresponsive. Same goes for Anderson’s and AC9 when he was on it.  

GrapeApe wrote:

Lewis mentioned Prado reached out to HRC and Yamaha in Europe but nothing came of it.

 

That’s not surprising after him blaming and shaming the Green Machine with no accountability put on himself. 

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I will support the guy. If youre not comfortable, you're not comfortable.  Id rather have a guy being honest then anything.  Look at Tomac, his set...

I will support the guy. If youre not comfortable, you're not comfortable.  Id rather have a guy being honest then anything.  
Look at Tomac, his set up is off too. 
Like many people on Vital say, if youre off 1% on set up, thats 4 seconds a lap.  
Maybe this is good for Kawi. When was the last time they won an outdoor race?


I still bleed green, I just had my blood drawn last month and the medical staff was baffled bybthe color.  

How is 1% equal to 4 seconds a lap exactly?

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CPR wrote:
So Prado says the bike isn’t where he needs it, and everyone here says it’s annoying and he’s making excuses, but Tomac says the same thing...

So Prado says the bike isn’t where he needs it, and everyone here says it’s annoying and he’s making excuses, but Tomac says the same thing in the same interview and not a word…….

matze wrote:

exactly my thoughts aswell lmao
Not surprised tho

GrapeApe wrote:
Tomac was beating himself up over the Milville setup, even mentioning that "he" has done this to "himself" several times in his career.Prado was flippantly saying...

Tomac was beating himself up over the Milville setup, even mentioning that "he" has done this to "himself" several times in his career.

Prado was flippantly saying he's done everything right and his results are out of his hands.

You guys see the difference, right? 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Nailed it!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Man this is a bad look for Prado. 

Feel bad for the Kawi guys that have to work with that guy. 

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soggy wrote:

How is 1% equal to 4 seconds a lap exactly?

Soggy, you and I must have went to different schools.  🤣🤣🤣🤣 

Well, maybe 3.5% would be 4 seconds.  

I stand corrected.   

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Man Prado's mentality is awful. I used to be a big fan but not so much anymore.

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I kinda love how confident he still is. His riding has been awful, he’s doing terrible, but he’s so quick to say he can win. 

That’s a crazy, delusional winners mentality that not many people have. Not many people win as many world titles as he has either. 

What a story it would be if he turned it around and was running closer to the brothers. Seems impossible, but I’d love to see it. At this point I’m rooting for him more.

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soggy wrote:

How is 1% equal to 4 seconds a lap exactly?

yardsailor wrote:

Soggy, you and I must have went to different schools.  🤣🤣🤣🤣 

Well, maybe 3.5% would be 4 seconds.  

I stand corrected.   

Actually it’s a random number if I’m thinking correctly, because the length of the track and all sorts of other factors would change the math, from one track to another. 

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soggy wrote:

Man this is a bad look for Prado. 

Feel bad for the Kawi guys that have to work with that guy. 

seriously that sounds miserable right now to deal with. Wow. 

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I kinda love how confident he still is. His riding has been awful, he’s doing terrible, but he’s so quick to say he can win. That’s a...

I kinda love how confident he still is. His riding has been awful, he’s doing terrible, but he’s so quick to say he can win. 

That’s a crazy, delusional winners mentality that not many people have. Not many people win as many world titles as he has either. 

What a story it would be if he turned it around and was running closer to the brothers. Seems impossible, but I’d love to see it. At this point I’m rooting for him more.

Love the optimism but not a chance in hell he runs with the brothers anytime soon

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bens 152 wrote:
I kinda love how confident he still is. His riding has been awful, he’s doing terrible, but he’s so quick to say he can win. That’s a...

I kinda love how confident he still is. His riding has been awful, he’s doing terrible, but he’s so quick to say he can win. 

That’s a crazy, delusional winners mentality that not many people have. Not many people win as many world titles as he has either. 

What a story it would be if he turned it around and was running closer to the brothers. Seems impossible, but I’d love to see it. At this point I’m rooting for him more.

I agree with your opinion here because it does look bad for Prado and perhaps his comments BUT he has a great team, and a winners mentality.

 

I think most are rooting for him to overcome this.  I agree about him taking accountability though.

 

On the JB/AC podcast they pointed out that outdoors he really isn't getting much time on the track before the race and doesn't put in many fast laps. He needs to adapt to a lot moving to the states that's for sure.

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I think the Kawi team needs to change out his seat with a bidet….😳

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Maybe jorge should take that hrc Honda spot in mxgp now that gajser is leaving. That bike would suit him I think. Kawi looks like shit. Last...

Maybe jorge should take that hrc Honda spot in mxgp now that gajser is leaving. That bike would suit him I think. 

Kawi looks like shit. Last guy that made that bike look good in America was masterpool on an almost stock bike. Prado’s bike just looks dead, sluggish, heavy, and unresponsive. Same goes for Anderson’s and AC9 when he was on it.  

GrapeApe wrote:

Lewis mentioned Prado reached out to HRC and Yamaha in Europe but nothing came of it.

 

That’s not surprising after him blaming and shaming the Green Machine with no accountability put on himself. 

I'd fire him if I was kawasaki, and heard he was shopping himself after signing a three year deal, likely for big money.

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GrapeApe wrote:

Lewis mentioned Prado reached out to HRC and Yamaha in Europe but nothing came of it.

 

That’s not surprising after him blaming and shaming the Green Machine with no accountability put on himself. 

Flatliner wrote:

I'd fire him if I was kawasaki, and heard he was shopping himself after signing a three year deal, likely for big money.

Same💯

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soggy wrote:

Man this is a bad look for Prado. 

Feel bad for the Kawi guys that have to work with that guy. 

Kdunkin wrote:

seriously that sounds miserable right now to deal with. Wow. 

I get the feeling he has no mechanical ability at all.  You can be the best at riding one, but if you can't communicate what the thing is doing wrong (or right), the only hope is to luck your way into a good motorcycle. 

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Prado has to be a millionaire.  He should go buy a stock bike, and have a fire breather engine setup by Twisted or XPR, and buy A-kit or have the suspension done by Graeme Brough or Mark Johnson.  That would be maybe $30k. If he can get a better setup than a factory team the team should make some changes. If not, he should look in the mirror.  

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3 pages of mostly shitting on the Prado interview, but I thought it was pretty straightforward.    I get the feeling that there are things he...

3 pages of mostly shitting on the Prado interview, but I thought it was pretty straightforward.    

I get the feeling that there are things he would like changed, and "Kawasaki" is unwilling to allow it at this point. He and the team may be trying their best, but forces elsewhere in the "Kawasaki" umbrella may be resisting, and Prado is tap-dancing around the politics of his situation a bit. I could be wrong.

 

I think you hit the nail on the head.

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Also to note, Tomac seems fired up.  Really hoping their wrong direction from practice testing to Millville will inform the right direction for Washougal. 

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The issue I have with Prado at this point is that he takes zero responsibility for the situation. Zero.  

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I get the feeling he has no mechanical ability at all.  You can be the best at riding one, but if you can't communicate what the...

I get the feeling he has no mechanical ability at all.  You can be the best at riding one, but if you can't communicate what the thing is doing wrong (or right), the only hope is to luck your way into a good motorcycle. 

Yeah , like Cole Trickle😳

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7/19/2025 8:18am

Let's analyze every races were Jett and Jorge did together before this outdoor season : 

2022 MXON race 3, Red Bud 

Jorge starts in 4th, takes 3rd in lap 4 after Ferrandis crash, passed by Jett in lap 5, by Seewer and Ferrandis in lap 7 and Tomac in lap 9 to finish 7th. 

Jett starts 6th, get 5th in lap 4 after Dylan's crash, pass Jorge and Seewer in lap 5, he also pass Sexton in lap 9 to finish second. 

Despite starting in front of Jett, Jorge finishes 57.666 seconds behind him, and his fastest lap is 2.366 seconds slower. 

2023 MXON Ernée 

Free practice : Jorge is 2nd with a 1.46.297 while Jett is 5th with a 1.46.642, Jorge is 0.345 seconds faster. 

Qualifying race : Jorge starts in front and wins the race. Jett starts in 7th and pass Plessinger in lap 4, Gajser in lap 8, Febvre in lap 9, Roczen and Seewer in lap 10 to finish 2nd 4.376 seconds down on Jorge. Jorge's fastest lap is 0.248 seconds faster than Jett's. Very good race from both, Jorge takes the win but Jett shows his faster by coming back through the pack to almost get Jorge. 

Race 1 : Jorge does the holeshot, get passed by Febvre in lap 6, got him back in lap 15 and is passed again in lap 17 to get 2nd, 2.320 seconds down on Febvre and 23.846 seconds down on Roczen. 

Jett has a crash at the starts and come from last to 6th, passing Coenen, Hampshire and Pancar in lap 3, Adamo and Tonus in lap 4, Talviku and Mc Lellan in lap 5, Vlaanderen and Watson in lap 6, Laengenfelder and Forato in lap 9, Jonass and Hunter in lap 10, De Wolf in lap 11, Geerts in lap 14, Vialle in lap 16 and Gajser in lap 18 to finish 6th. 

Jorge has a gap of 31.517 seconds on Jett and his fastest lap is 1.110 second faster.
Again, the point goes to Jorge here, but they had 2 very different races and Jett probably has the most impressive performance here. 

Race 3 : Jett starts in 2nd and pass Roczen for the lead in lap 8 to win the race with a 7.295 seconds margin. Jorge starts in 4th and finish at the same spot, 12.854 seconds down on Jett. Not a huge gap at the end (even though Jett managed the gap which went up to around 25 seconds over Jorge at one point), Jett's fastest lap is a 1.49.391, 1.829 seconds faster than Jorge's. First time they really starts close to each other and have clear racing. Jett wins this one by a good shot. 

2024 MXON race 3 

Jorge starts in 2nd and passes Tomac for the lead in lap 1 before getting passed again in lap 2. He then got passed by Tim in lap 4, Hunter and Jett in lap 5, Herlings in lap 8, Febvre in lap 9, Seewer in lap 11 and he shuffled back 7th position in lap 12 after a pit stop, and finally gained another position thanks to Febvre crash. 

Jett starts further, pass Herlings and Seewer in lap 1, Roczen in lap 2, Jorge in lap 5, Hunter in lap 8, Tomac in lap 10 and Gajser in lap 14 before being passed again by Tim in lap 16. 

Despite starting 7-8 places behing Jorge, Jett finishes with a gap of 1 minutes and 53 seconds over Jorge, their fastest laps are only seperated by 0.079 seconds though. 

I would say I have yet to see the best of Jorge beating the best of Jett, yet.
 

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280driver wrote:

The issue I have with Prado at this point is that he takes zero responsibility for the situation. Zero.  

💯

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OldTech wrote:
I get the feeling he has no mechanical ability at all.  You can be the best at riding one, but if you can't communicate what the...

I get the feeling he has no mechanical ability at all.  You can be the best at riding one, but if you can't communicate what the thing is doing wrong (or right), the only hope is to luck your way into a good motorcycle. 

Yeah , like Cole Trickle😳

At this point, if I was his mechanic, maybe some drinks at a bar would be worth a shot!

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Hammaker riding with tibial plateau fracture is wild..... usual treatment even for lowest classification of these is immobilization and either non weight bearing or partial weight...

Hammaker riding with tibial plateau fracture is wild..... usual treatment even for lowest classification of these is immobilization and either non weight bearing or partial weight bearing for 8-12 weeks...... meniscus tear probably in same location so there goes any cushioning that might have been there.... it might be non displaced right now but do not see this going well.....tibial-plateau-fracture-classification

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Some people call a bone bruise a microtrabecular fracture.

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Not a Prado fan here but there are clearly some bikes that the Pros don't get along with.The KX seems to be such a bike. Seewer...

Not a Prado fan here but there are clearly some bikes that the Pros don't get along with.

The KX seems to be such a bike. Seewer never felt at home with the Kawi and another MXGP ride said in an interview if he had ridden the bike (KX) before he wouldn't have signed with Kawasaki. I never heard something from Anderson that he loved the bike too. Febvre has a unique riding style and seems to be the exception

 

Oh yeah.  Seewer is just crushing it this year on the Duc. 🙄 

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Febvre doing just fine on it.   

Been on it for 5 years and a very,  very different riding style 

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7/19/2025 9:03am Edited Date/Time 7/19/2025 9:04am
280driver wrote:

The issue I have with Prado at this point is that he takes zero responsibility for the situation. Zero.  

Agree 100%. He comes off as a whiner to me. No personal accountability at all.

No one will convince me the bike is the main issue. He's on a f**king factory ride! And he's getting beat by guys that aren't on factory bikes.

Kawasaki seems to be working overtime with him to get the bike where he wants it. But even if it's not 100% correct, he should be able to run top 5 and not just for a few laps. JA looked fast on his Kawi when he was healthy, and he doesn't have top 5 speed anymore.

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