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aees 6/14/2025 4:16pm
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Its just setup of bike.

They just confirmed, what i said earlier this week, on the broadcast. They try to find a setup during week (mon-wed), then go to race to test if it works. 

If they dont have it, race is a waste pretty much. He probably tries something between moto 1 and 2, and same pattern repeats itself. He push, finds out its not working, backs off and mails it in. Cant take shit from him being a minute down or 10sec off on laptimes at that point. 

Aluminium frame, kawi, power, armpump due to setup or whatever. It is what it is. When was the last time it took this long to figure out a bike for a elite rider? Tomac Kawi in SX? Only one that comes to mind that went that much backwards.

Prado is not a great racer starting outside top 5. So my guess is he is not willing to compromise on power because that puts him in a for him bad position. Herlings is known for wanting more power out of his bikes, but even he wanted nothing to do with Prados bike that "he would kill himself on". That much power, suspension and chassi becomes really sensitive. It would be interesting if Prado got to ride Elis bike at some point or vise versa 😄

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Spoonguy 6/14/2025 4:25pm
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aees wrote:
Its just setup of bike.They just confirmed, what i said earlier this week, on the broadcast. They try to find a setup during week (mon-wed), then...

Its just setup of bike.

They just confirmed, what i said earlier this week, on the broadcast. They try to find a setup during week (mon-wed), then go to race to test if it works. 

If they dont have it, race is a waste pretty much. He probably tries something between moto 1 and 2, and same pattern repeats itself. He push, finds out its not working, backs off and mails it in. Cant take shit from him being a minute down or 10sec off on laptimes at that point. 

Aluminium frame, kawi, power, armpump due to setup or whatever. It is what it is. When was the last time it took this long to figure out a bike for a elite rider? Tomac Kawi in SX? Only one that comes to mind that went that much backwards.

Prado is not a great racer starting outside top 5. So my guess is he is not willing to compromise on power because that puts him in a for him bad position. Herlings is known for wanting more power out of his bikes, but even he wanted nothing to do with Prados bike that "he would kill himself on". That much power, suspension and chassi becomes really sensitive. It would be interesting if Prado got to ride Elis bike at some point or vise versa 😄

He has all access to an entire multi national corporation and a slew of mechanics that want his success, moreso than him. It is part of his job to get the bike set up for himself based on his input.

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aees 6/14/2025 4:30pm
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Its just setup of bike.They just confirmed, what i said earlier this week, on the broadcast. They try to find a setup during week (mon-wed), then...

Its just setup of bike.

They just confirmed, what i said earlier this week, on the broadcast. They try to find a setup during week (mon-wed), then go to race to test if it works. 

If they dont have it, race is a waste pretty much. He probably tries something between moto 1 and 2, and same pattern repeats itself. He push, finds out its not working, backs off and mails it in. Cant take shit from him being a minute down or 10sec off on laptimes at that point. 

Aluminium frame, kawi, power, armpump due to setup or whatever. It is what it is. When was the last time it took this long to figure out a bike for a elite rider? Tomac Kawi in SX? Only one that comes to mind that went that much backwards.

Prado is not a great racer starting outside top 5. So my guess is he is not willing to compromise on power because that puts him in a for him bad position. Herlings is known for wanting more power out of his bikes, but even he wanted nothing to do with Prados bike that "he would kill himself on". That much power, suspension and chassi becomes really sensitive. It would be interesting if Prado got to ride Elis bike at some point or vise versa 😄

Spoonguy wrote:
He has all access to an entire multi national corporation and a slew of mechanics that want his success, moreso than him. It is part of...

He has all access to an entire multi national corporation and a slew of mechanics that want his success, moreso than him. It is part of his job to get the bike set up for himself based on his input.

Sure on paper and as a one liner that sounds great.

Shorty wasn't allowed to move his forks from flush to 2 or 3mm up because Japan said it wasn't safe, wasn't allowed to race with it during his session at Honda. Webb couldn't go to KYB. Mitch team wasn't allowed to run fatbars up until 3 years ago. Took KTM a year to get rid of the 52mm forks and allow riders to run 48mm on the new chassi.

There is limitations, and probably time consuming to get parts or changes OKed.

 

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Stoop 6/14/2025 4:38pm
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Prado and Kawi need to call it a season, claim an injury and salvage some pride

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crusty_xx 6/14/2025 4:38pm
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He had races like this in the GPs too because he's not willing to push at all when he's not 100% in control.
Had the red plate and all of a sudden went 16-12 in the mud and damn near got lapped twice in a moto.

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Cayden Thompson 6/14/2025 4:40pm
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Stoop wrote:

Prado and Kawi need to call it a season, claim an injury and salvage some pride

Tuck the front son

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Spoonguy 6/14/2025 4:50pm
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aees wrote:
Its just setup of bike.They just confirmed, what i said earlier this week, on the broadcast. They try to find a setup during week (mon-wed), then...

Its just setup of bike.

They just confirmed, what i said earlier this week, on the broadcast. They try to find a setup during week (mon-wed), then go to race to test if it works. 

If they dont have it, race is a waste pretty much. He probably tries something between moto 1 and 2, and same pattern repeats itself. He push, finds out its not working, backs off and mails it in. Cant take shit from him being a minute down or 10sec off on laptimes at that point. 

Aluminium frame, kawi, power, armpump due to setup or whatever. It is what it is. When was the last time it took this long to figure out a bike for a elite rider? Tomac Kawi in SX? Only one that comes to mind that went that much backwards.

Prado is not a great racer starting outside top 5. So my guess is he is not willing to compromise on power because that puts him in a for him bad position. Herlings is known for wanting more power out of his bikes, but even he wanted nothing to do with Prados bike that "he would kill himself on". That much power, suspension and chassi becomes really sensitive. It would be interesting if Prado got to ride Elis bike at some point or vise versa 😄

Spoonguy wrote:
He has all access to an entire multi national corporation and a slew of mechanics that want his success, moreso than him. It is part of...

He has all access to an entire multi national corporation and a slew of mechanics that want his success, moreso than him. It is part of his job to get the bike set up for himself based on his input.

aees wrote:
Sure on paper and as a one liner that sounds great.Shorty wasn't allowed to move his forks from flush to 2 or 3mm up because Japan...

Sure on paper and as a one liner that sounds great.

Shorty wasn't allowed to move his forks from flush to 2 or 3mm up because Japan said it wasn't safe, wasn't allowed to race with it during his session at Honda. Webb couldn't go to KYB. Mitch team wasn't allowed to run fatbars up until 3 years ago. Took KTM a year to get rid of the 52mm forks and allow riders to run 48mm on the new chassi.

There is limitations, and probably time consuming to get parts or changes OKed.

 

Oh I see, that makes sense. That's why a four time world champ gets a 23rd in a moto. Thanks for clearing that up, he's lucky he didn't get a 24th.

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CrashMaster 6/14/2025 5:10pm
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Even if he had the power it’s not like he’d stay up near the front. He’d still end up 10th.

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visser62 6/14/2025 5:12pm
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He seems like he's always had strange issues crop up. Won the qualy race at MXoN last year and then was mediocre in the races. Had a lot of GPs too where he would just inexplicably fade or ride poorly.

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Shenzi 6/14/2025 5:14pm
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he's got no gnar, no WFO style, physically definitely not ready for US MX. Today he got decent starts and within 3 corners he's sinking. Something is definitely not working. Maybe everything. 

 

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aees 6/14/2025 5:14pm
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Spoonguy wrote:
He has all access to an entire multi national corporation and a slew of mechanics that want his success, moreso than him. It is part of...

He has all access to an entire multi national corporation and a slew of mechanics that want his success, moreso than him. It is part of his job to get the bike set up for himself based on his input.

aees wrote:
Sure on paper and as a one liner that sounds great.Shorty wasn't allowed to move his forks from flush to 2 or 3mm up because Japan...

Sure on paper and as a one liner that sounds great.

Shorty wasn't allowed to move his forks from flush to 2 or 3mm up because Japan said it wasn't safe, wasn't allowed to race with it during his session at Honda. Webb couldn't go to KYB. Mitch team wasn't allowed to run fatbars up until 3 years ago. Took KTM a year to get rid of the 52mm forks and allow riders to run 48mm on the new chassi.

There is limitations, and probably time consuming to get parts or changes OKed.

 

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Oh I see, that makes sense. That's why a four time world champ gets a 23rd in a moto. Thanks for clearing that up, he's lucky...

Oh I see, that makes sense. That's why a four time world champ gets a 23rd in a moto. Thanks for clearing that up, he's lucky he didn't get a 24th.

I guess it wasn't just Prado that is slow.

He's fucking mailing it in. 

You have to be a quad rider not to get that. Could have just said that from the beginning.

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Spoonguy 6/14/2025 5:15pm
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He is a four time world champ. Where is his pride, his drive, his ambition. What is going on in his races? Past two second motos, DNF and 23rd?

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winman 6/14/2025 6:58pm
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I was there!  He is not even trying.  A bunch of us watched him constantly letting off the throttle and coasting!  

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Press516 6/14/2025 7:03pm
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Press516 wrote:

Tomac got in the 2:04’s while Prado was running 2:20’s.  Sure, it’s the bike…

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Man i dont kown if some vital menbers are new to sport.Prado won emx125 at 14 at his first try, he won his first mx2 gp...

Man i dont kown if some vital menbers are new to sport.

Prado won emx125 at 14 at his first try, he won his first mx2 gp at 15 years old. Herlings was youngest, Prado Next and Next was Rozcen.

He has a talent like Herlings, Jett, Tomac, RV2, RC4,R22, cairoli, everts, tortelli, Bubba, Gajser, pichón and many more.

Not so much Riders acomplish at his age what he acomplish and people here act like after 7 races he should retire at 24 years old.

I dont know whats the deal with him but he has time to figoure It, he is in his best years as a atlethe.

You’re completely ignoring the facts of 2025…. I’m a fan of Prado, was a pro in the early 80’s.  Probably around the sport a lot longer than most.

There is NO WAY the bike is causing him to be 16 seconds a lap off the pace of the leaders.  We have to stop making excuses, he dropped a P23 today and it was getting worse, but the red flag halted the free fall.

How many privateers passed him today???  It’s mind boggling.  As a fan, I need him to figure it out!!

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yardsailor 6/14/2025 7:08pm
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If Prado wants to progress, he definitely needs to onboard here at vital forums.  He could learn a lot from thw voices within here.   🤣🤣🤣

 

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ohh_454 6/14/2025 7:10pm
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Bench him like Bobby Hewitt did Anderson in 2011 and make him take some rounds off to figure shit out. Wonder what Bobby Regan would do in this situation with Prado, let him get 20th?

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Dirt_Dawg 6/14/2025 7:11pm
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winman wrote:

I was there!  He is not even trying.  A bunch of us watched him constantly letting off the throttle and coasting!  

Damn if true this kawi deal is not going to end good. Kawasaki bigs can't be happy with these results and he looks unhappy not the same smiling prado of the GPs. Life was good then. He did look on TV like he wasn't even trying. 

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ohh_454 6/14/2025 7:11pm
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Chase isn’t going to help Prado confidence when he shows him that that Kawi is quick. 

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burn1986 6/14/2025 8:07pm
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Prado’ll figure it out. Gonna take a little time

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aeffertz 6/14/2025 9:08pm
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burn1986 wrote:

Prado’ll figure it out. Gonna take a little time

I think so too. Something that has seemed to get a little convoluted is that I think most people understand all the changes he made coming into his first year in the US on a 450, fresh off an injury and they would be understanding if he had a slow build back to his typical form. But I think he put a massive target in his back when he was asked how things are going and instead of pointing to any of those valid reasons, he said he needed a faster bike. 

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Spoonguy 6/15/2025 5:51am
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burn1986 wrote:

Prado’ll figure it out. Gonna take a little time

aeffertz wrote:
I think so too. Something that has seemed to get a little convoluted is that I think most people understand all the changes he made coming...

I think so too. Something that has seemed to get a little convoluted is that I think most people understand all the changes he made coming into his first year in the US on a 450, fresh off an injury and they would be understanding if he had a slow build back to his typical form. But I think he put a massive target in his back when he was asked how things are going and instead of pointing to any of those valid reasons, he said he needed a faster bike. 

He stated he would be fighting for the championship this year. JT, among many other pundits stated he would. He is paid very well to win.

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Indy mxer 6/15/2025 5:58am
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JA didn't seem to have a bike problem going 7-7 yesterday. Prado should be better than him. JP was near the top 5 early second moto for a few laps and dropped like a rock. It's not the bike.

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ProbablyDave 6/15/2025 6:04am
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JA didn't seem to have a bike problem going 7-7 yesterday. Prado should be better than him. JP was near the top 5 early second moto...

JA didn't seem to have a bike problem going 7-7 yesterday. Prado should be better than him. JP was near the top 5 early second moto for a few laps and dropped like a rock. It's not the bike.

He was 2nd at the holeshot line in Moto 1 and then absolutely parked it in the second corner and got passed by like 4 guys. He was soooo slow thought turn 2. 

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Phil109 6/15/2025 6:39am
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We will find out next year how good or bad that bike really is with Sexton on it. 

I wonder if there are performance clauses in what has to be a very lucrative contract? 

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Ramrod 6/15/2025 6:58am
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The weekend off may be just what he needs 

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Spoonguy 6/15/2025 7:05am
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Ramrod wrote:

The weekend off may be just what he needs 

Hell yeah, take the rest of the season. Put Marchbanks on that scooter. He would get a top five before the season is over.

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Ramrod 6/15/2025 7:17am
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Ramrod wrote:

The weekend off may be just what he needs 

Spoonguy wrote:

Hell yeah, take the rest of the season. Put Marchbanks on that scooter. He would get a top five before the season is over.

Marchbanks sounds like an idea, he's riding great so far in 250's, I like it.

 

I'm going to the Milville round so I want to see Prado rip, he can take time off after that if still struggling...

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burn1986 wrote:

Prado’ll figure it out. Gonna take a little time

aeffertz wrote:
I think so too. Something that has seemed to get a little convoluted is that I think most people understand all the changes he made coming...

I think so too. Something that has seemed to get a little convoluted is that I think most people understand all the changes he made coming into his first year in the US on a 450, fresh off an injury and they would be understanding if he had a slow build back to his typical form. But I think he put a massive target in his back when he was asked how things are going and instead of pointing to any of those valid reasons, he said he needed a faster bike. 

Spoonguy wrote:

He stated he would be fighting for the championship this year. JT, among many other pundits stated he would. He is paid very well to win.

What did you expect him to say? I want to be top 15? It doesn’t matter what JT or any other persons opinion is. 

He’s off right now. He got a jump in moto 1 and by the 2nd turn he had lost 5 spots. He’s not comfortable with the bike, the other riders at minimum at this point. 

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Kawboy14! 6/15/2025 7:32am
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His shoulder has to be hurting him!

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fake news 

Kawi to propose to KTM a Straight swap for Lucas Coenen?? 



 


 

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