This Cairoli versus Dungey thing

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Cook441 9/18/2010 9:33am
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It all boils down to this. Tell AC to come to America and race. He wont do it because he doesnt want to get his ass...
It all boils down to this. Tell AC to come to America and race. He wont do it because he doesnt want to get his ass handed to him. There are more positives than negative for him to make the move. Think about it, he would have more exposure, more money and more fans. The only reason why he wouldnt do it is because he already know what would happen. Think about all the past GP champions that have came over here. They are all badasses, but found a title in America hard to come by. I would live for AC to come over here and race. Only one condition though, he has to leave his helmet and goggles on for the post race interviews, lol.
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More fans or more haters like Pourcel? Why can`t Dungey come to Europe and race? why the other way around or did i forget that for...
More fans or more haters like Pourcel? Why can`t Dungey come to Europe and race? why the other way around or did i forget that for some uneducated Americans the solar system revolves around the US of A.
jdbmx- I am not one of these uneducated Americans that you speak from and in all seriousness I ask you why do the top riders and "world champions" from all over the world come to the US...race the SX and or MX championships? Seriously what do you think the reason is? Why don't the AMA champions do the same? If we both agree that this happens for whatever reason doesn't it make sense that to win an AMA championship means you are the best of the best? I'm not being egocentric- I assure you I am using educated logic- thats all.

(PS that Booing of CP upsets me to no end..we are lucky to have that guy in our series..It's guys like him and Wilson and TR that prove my point and I am thankful to see them in person!)
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Billy Jack 9/18/2010 10:00am
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I don't want to be disrespecful to anyone, and while it's obvious that Ryan Dungey is a great guy and rider I don't think it's really...
I don't want to be disrespecful to anyone, and while it's obvious that Ryan Dungey is a great guy and rider I don't think it's really a good judge to compare his results this year to other greats in years gone past.



I mean in second and third in the AMA Championship came Brett Metcalfe and Andrew Short, two really great guys and good riders, but.....how many Motocross overalls/races have these two won between them. Maybe one, or two in their whole career? Ben Townley was coming back from two years out and was clearly wanting it too much and making mistakes. and Alessi had the worst season of his career.



Give Cairoli credit, he beat the AMA Motocross Champion of 2009 at last years des Nations, won a moto on the 250cc machine in 2006 and is riding better than ever this year. He also beat former World Champions Philippaerts and Ramon.The riders Cairoli beat have probably 30 GP wins between them.



In my opinion the GP guys have improved more than the AMA guys and I can't wait for next weekend to see what the results will be. We might just be in for the shock of the decade as the GP riders dominate the motos.



Either way both Cairoli and Dungey deserve all the respect of the public, both are great champions. As are Musquin and Canard.



Geoff
If both Cairoli and Dungey "deserve all the respect of the public" why did you just spend over half your post belittling Dungey's accomplishments?
MusquinTheBest 9/18/2010 10:20am
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Remind us, how did Cairoli do at Budds Creek?
Bad luck and..... 3 years ago? Wake up, we are in 2010 now. Just keep in your mind that the Cairoli 2010 version is not the Cairoli 2009 or 2007 version. Cairoli last year won the MX1 championship (as a rookie) without dominating. This year he dominated instead. I think he improved a lot.
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Billy Jack 9/18/2010 10:23am
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Spinner wrote:
Remind us, how did Cairoli do at Budds Creek?
MusquinTheBest wrote:
Bad luck and..... 3 years ago? Wake up, we are in 2010 now. Just keep in your mind that the Cairoli 2010 version is not the...
Bad luck and..... 3 years ago? Wake up, we are in 2010 now. Just keep in your mind that the Cairoli 2010 version is not the Cairoli 2009 or 2007 version. Cairoli last year won the MX1 championship (as a rookie) without dominating. This year he dominated instead. I think he improved a lot.
It's funny you say that because I keep hearing a lot of people remind us about how Cairoli beat Dungey at the 2009 MXoN (not for the overall, but speed wise, and of course Dungey lucked into his win). The thing is, 2010 SX and National champ Dungey is not the same Dungey as 2009.

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mccread 9/18/2010 10:25am
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Desalle was about the same speed as Dungey last year... this year there wasn't much in them again .. in Dungey's home country... it's not that much different
Fast is fast.. I would say Cairoli is faster than last year too.
MusquinTheBest 9/18/2010 10:35am
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Dungey may not have had the best competition, but that doesn't say anything. He looked hardly challenged and pretty much won this championship with ease. Stewart...
Dungey may not have had the best competition, but that doesn't say anything. He looked hardly challenged and pretty much won this championship with ease. Stewart? Smoked him at Unadilla. Villopoto? Had him covered in Supercross. That right there is two names that would walk around GP riders all day.

Oh yeah, and how badly did AC smoke Reed last year at MXoN? It was a close race between those two. Guess how close the racing was between Reed & Dungey this year? Oh yeah that's right... Dungey never saw Reed. Dungey beat him every race of the Nationals with ease.

Dungey is the real deal and I don't think AC is even close to his level.

I have a feeling the MXoN is going to be a sad day for a lot of the GP fans. Wink
Ahahah what are you fucking talking about? Believe me, you really make me laugh!!!!



first off, how often do you read motocross news?



And...



1) Do you remember "The Panda"? LOL You don' know what I'm talking about?

I'm talking about him...







oh sorry...







Uhm... did you watch Unadilla Valley Sport Center? :D I strongly feel Desalle gave up when Dungey pass him.





2) And.... Reed said in some interviews why he get smoked by Dungey every race... cuz he didn't experience the virus only at Washougal (I don't remember when), he said he started the season with the virus "epstein barr". That's why.



3) Keep in mind that Reed didn't like the Kawasaki.



I'm pretty sure that Cairoli will win at least 1 moto SMOKING Dungey. I know I know, will be tough for you americans to accept that...
MusquinTheBest 9/18/2010 10:39am
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Spinner wrote:
Remind us, how did Cairoli do at Budds Creek?
MusquinTheBest wrote:
Bad luck and..... 3 years ago? Wake up, we are in 2010 now. Just keep in your mind that the Cairoli 2010 version is not the...
Bad luck and..... 3 years ago? Wake up, we are in 2010 now. Just keep in your mind that the Cairoli 2010 version is not the Cairoli 2009 or 2007 version. Cairoli last year won the MX1 championship (as a rookie) without dominating. This year he dominated instead. I think he improved a lot.
Billy Jack wrote:
It's funny you say that because I keep hearing a lot of people remind us about how Cairoli beat Dungey at the 2009 MXoN (not for...
It's funny you say that because I keep hearing a lot of people remind us about how Cairoli beat Dungey at the 2009 MXoN (not for the overall, but speed wise, and of course Dungey lucked into his win). The thing is, 2010 SX and National champ Dungey is not the same Dungey as 2009.
So, are you saying that a DNF is a rider's fault?
Cairoli SMOKED DUNGEY! He won moto 1 by 20 seconds on Dungey! Shut the fuck up.
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Billy Jack 9/18/2010 10:39am
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Uhm... did you watch Unadilla Valley Sport Center? :D I strongly feel Desalle gave up when Dungey pass him.

Let's think about your statement for a moment before we go any further. Think about these key words and phrases that you made:

1) "Dungey pass him"

2) "Desalle gave up"

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Billy Jack 9/18/2010 10:42am
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MusquinTheBest wrote:
Bad luck and..... 3 years ago? Wake up, we are in 2010 now. Just keep in your mind that the Cairoli 2010 version is not the...
Bad luck and..... 3 years ago? Wake up, we are in 2010 now. Just keep in your mind that the Cairoli 2010 version is not the Cairoli 2009 or 2007 version. Cairoli last year won the MX1 championship (as a rookie) without dominating. This year he dominated instead. I think he improved a lot.
Billy Jack wrote:
It's funny you say that because I keep hearing a lot of people remind us about how Cairoli beat Dungey at the 2009 MXoN (not for...
It's funny you say that because I keep hearing a lot of people remind us about how Cairoli beat Dungey at the 2009 MXoN (not for the overall, but speed wise, and of course Dungey lucked into his win). The thing is, 2010 SX and National champ Dungey is not the same Dungey as 2009.
MusquinTheBest wrote:
So, are you saying that a DNF is a rider's fault? Cairoli SMOKED DUNGEY! He won moto 1 by 20 seconds on Dungey! Shut the fuck...
So, are you saying that a DNF is a rider's fault?
Cairoli SMOKED DUNGEY! He won moto 1 by 20 seconds on Dungey! Shut the fuck up.
No, that's not what I am saying. What I said was that if you are going to make the point that the Cairoli of 2007, 2008, and 2009 is not the Cairoli of 2010, then it's only fair to say that the Dungey of 2007, 2008, and 2009 is not the Dungey of 2010. Nowhere did I say that a DNF is a rider's fault.

Getting back to the 2009 MXoN, it was Dungey's first ride outdoors on the big bike so 20 seconds isn't all that impressive. Besides, Dungey beat Desalle by nearly 15 seconds, and that was AFTER SLOWING down on the final lap to enjoy the fans. In my humble opinion, it seemed that after Unadilla (I personally think Dungey was more nervous about Stewart than Desalle), Dungey turned the heat up even more on his competition.
MusquinTheBest 9/18/2010 10:47am
9/18/2010 10:47am
1 thing is sure.This year I'm waiting for the MXoN as I never did before.
Another thing is sure... will be very very fun.
MusquinTheBest 9/18/2010 10:49am
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Billy Jack wrote:
[b]Uhm... did you watch Unadilla Valley Sport Center? :D I strongly feel Desalle gave up when Dungey pass him.[/b] Let's think about your statement for a...
Uhm... did you watch Unadilla Valley Sport Center? :D I strongly feel Desalle gave up when Dungey pass him.

Let's think about your statement for a moment before we go any further. Think about these key words and phrases that you made:

1) "Dungey pass him"

2) "Desalle gave up"

Yes, and do you know what? I could also add more. In a french forum I also read that since Desalle was in the Dungey's team, Desalle let him pass.

Will be hard, cause I don't even remember that forum, but I try to search it and I will link it ;-)



I know that this my post will make burst the "chaos".
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Billy Jack 9/18/2010 10:54am
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Billy Jack wrote:
[b]Uhm... did you watch Unadilla Valley Sport Center? :D I strongly feel Desalle gave up when Dungey pass him.[/b] Let's think about your statement for a...
Uhm... did you watch Unadilla Valley Sport Center? :D I strongly feel Desalle gave up when Dungey pass him.

Let's think about your statement for a moment before we go any further. Think about these key words and phrases that you made:

1) "Dungey pass him"

2) "Desalle gave up"

MusquinTheBest wrote:
Yes, and do you know what? I could also add more. In a french forum I also read that since Desalle was in the Dungey's team...
Yes, and do you know what? I could also add more. In a french forum I also read that since Desalle was in the Dungey's team, Desalle let him pass.

Will be hard, cause I don't even remember that forum, but I try to search it and I will link it ;-)



I know that this my post will make burst the "chaos".
Not likely that Desalle let him pass. At that point in the series, Dungey already had an almost insurmountable points lead; losing three to six points would not have hurt Dungey at all. Dungey did pass Desalle but Desalle didn't give up, he couldn't keep up. Dungey was the faster rider that day, much like Cairoli was the faster rider than Dungey at the 2009 MXoN.
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jdbmx 9/18/2010 11:05am
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jdbmx- I am not one of these uneducated Americans that you speak from and in all seriousness I ask you why do the top riders and...
jdbmx- I am not one of these uneducated Americans that you speak from and in all seriousness I ask you why do the top riders and "world champions" from all over the world come to the US...race the SX and or MX championships? Seriously what do you think the reason is? Why don't the AMA champions do the same? If we both agree that this happens for whatever reason doesn't it make sense that to win an AMA championship means you are the best of the best? I'm not being egocentric- I assure you I am using educated logic- thats all.

(PS that Booing of CP upsets me to no end..we are lucky to have that guy in our series..It's guys like him and Wilson and TR that prove my point and I am thankful to see them in person!)
Sorry, forgot i posted in this thread (age get`s the better of me) I think most people would agree every rider that goes to the states does so for a number of reasons, some we will never know but for the most part it`s an accumulation of money, media exposure and lifestyle. Not forgetting that a great deal of youngsters all over the world follow US motocross, it`s so much more glamorous than anywhere else and as a youngster you would want to be a part of that. My previous post was to merely state that it can of course go both ways and it`s just as easy for an AMA guy to come this way as it is a GP guy to come your way, obviously i added some sarcasm for effect but that was my main point.
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mxgeoff wrote:
I don't want to be disrespecful to anyone, and while it's obvious that Ryan Dungey is a great guy and rider I don't think it's really...
I don't want to be disrespecful to anyone, and while it's obvious that Ryan Dungey is a great guy and rider I don't think it's really a good judge to compare his results this year to other greats in years gone past.



I mean in second and third in the AMA Championship came Brett Metcalfe and Andrew Short, two really great guys and good riders, but.....how many Motocross overalls/races have these two won between them. Maybe one, or two in their whole career? Ben Townley was coming back from two years out and was clearly wanting it too much and making mistakes. and Alessi had the worst season of his career.



Give Cairoli credit, he beat the AMA Motocross Champion of 2009 at last years des Nations, won a moto on the 250cc machine in 2006 and is riding better than ever this year. He also beat former World Champions Philippaerts and Ramon.The riders Cairoli beat have probably 30 GP wins between them.



In my opinion the GP guys have improved more than the AMA guys and I can't wait for next weekend to see what the results will be. We might just be in for the shock of the decade as the GP riders dominate the motos.



Either way both Cairoli and Dungey deserve all the respect of the public, both are great champions. As are Musquin and Canard.



Geoff
Billy Jack wrote:
If both Cairoli and Dungey "deserve all the respect of the public" why did you just spend over half your post belittling Dungey's accomplishments?
He has to tear down what the majority of America has patriotically, and hypocritically, built up. Not that I agree with it but the whole situation is getting out of hand. Yes Ryan has done something amazing but what if he gets an injury in the off season that never allows him to race at a world class level again? We build up the future so fast here. Right now I'm happy to have a guy like him being at the forefront of our sport but in two years the outlook of our series could be completely different.
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Rewindcaz 9/18/2010 12:03pm
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Why would I even bother including hangtown in Dungey's stats? That race was a fluke across all classes that day.

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Dungey is great in the US..he could beat Cairoli there.. but CAiroli is the world champ for a reason... if anyone wants to take that crown...
Dungey is great in the US..he could beat Cairoli there.. but CAiroli is the world champ for a reason... if anyone wants to take that crown off him they need to beat him to a World title... different countries... different tracks.. different living... it is a whole different ball game to winning you own national championship..

If Dungey beats Cairol in the US it doesn't mean he would have beat him in the World GPs.. and that is where Caroli is the best in the world right now... and it is best place to judge who is better.. however Dungey could be the best in the world in America.

To be fair to Tony he said Dungey is one of the best... he never even said he was better... and if you put Pourcel, Roczen, Canard, Musquin, Herlings all on the same bike as Dungey they could run with him and beat him at times.. so the guys in MX2 are as good as Dungey imo especially if they competed a World series... I don't think you could say Dungey has more speed or ability than any of those guys.. they would all be pretty close...Americans always see themselves as superior and when other people don't agree they get offended !

To me all those guys are similar in ability they are all great... including Cairoli and Dungey.. it just comes down to on the day and the track... starts etc.

The fact Americans are so insulted that Cairoli didn't say Ryan was vastly superior to the rest of the world and thinks he is being disrespectful is just wrong.

He said he Dungey one of the best and you can't compare...so how is he being disrespectful?! He is being accurate... saying Dungey is the fastest man on the planet is more disrespectful to Cairoli.

Personally I think they are both great Champions of the series they race in and they are similar in speed... Dungey is the best in the US and Cairoli is the best in the World..I don't think Dungey would beat Cairoli to a World title and Cairoli would find it hard against Dungey in the US ... but he has a greater chance of beating Dungey there than Dungey has beating Cairoli in the GPs as Dungey would have more changes to deal with imo
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There's no way the two 15 year olds are anywhere near Dungey. What other 15 year old in the history of the sport was? They're not...
There's no way the two 15 year olds are anywhere near Dungey.

What other 15 year old in the history of the sport was? They're not the first!

Neither is Musquin, he's racing a class a 15 year old can win. CP & Canard are a couple years away.
reality is going to hit you hard when musquin moves to the usa.cant wait
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Prince1 9/18/2010 12:47pm
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Billy Jack wrote:
[b]Uhm... did you watch Unadilla Valley Sport Center? :D I strongly feel Desalle gave up when Dungey pass him.[/b] Let's think about your statement for a...
Uhm... did you watch Unadilla Valley Sport Center? :D I strongly feel Desalle gave up when Dungey pass him.

Let's think about your statement for a moment before we go any further. Think about these key words and phrases that you made:

1) "Dungey pass him"

2) "Desalle gave up"

MusquinTheBest wrote:
Yes, and do you know what? I could also add more. In a french forum I also read that since Desalle was in the Dungey's team...
Yes, and do you know what? I could also add more. In a french forum I also read that since Desalle was in the Dungey's team, Desalle let him pass.

Will be hard, cause I don't even remember that forum, but I try to search it and I will link it ;-)



I know that this my post will make burst the "chaos".
How many MX of nations as Frace won when the US team has been there? Ur riders are always always always second fiddle exepct for JMB.
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Sounds to me by the OP's logic, Dungey dominated because he had no competition. If thats the case what about Everts span of championships? No competition for 10 years? RC had no competition? I agree with someone that said AC won't pack up and come here to race, why? Hasn't he had opportunities? and finally, how many time has the US gone over there with jet lag, no track familiarity, euro spec equipment and more and won anyway? We own the sport now, Euros can't cope.

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mxgeoff 9/18/2010 1:00pm
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Billy Jack wrote:
[b]Uhm... did you watch Unadilla Valley Sport Center? :D I strongly feel Desalle gave up when Dungey pass him.[/b] Let's think about your statement for a...
Uhm... did you watch Unadilla Valley Sport Center? :D I strongly feel Desalle gave up when Dungey pass him.

Let's think about your statement for a moment before we go any further. Think about these key words and phrases that you made:

1) "Dungey pass him"

2) "Desalle gave up"

MusquinTheBest wrote:
Yes, and do you know what? I could also add more. In a french forum I also read that since Desalle was in the Dungey's team...
Yes, and do you know what? I could also add more. In a french forum I also read that since Desalle was in the Dungey's team, Desalle let him pass.

Will be hard, cause I don't even remember that forum, but I try to search it and I will link it ;-)



I know that this my post will make burst the "chaos".
Prince1 wrote:
How many MX of nations as Frace won when the US team has been there? Ur riders are always always always second fiddle exepct for JMB.
France have only won one MXoN period and that was with a B team in 2001. France only really became a top MX nation in the 1980's with Jacky Vimond. In recent years its always been Belgium or USA. I mean Italy have also only won it once and that was in 1999. Great Britain got that win in 1994, but that was a huge shock.

In the last 15 or so years it's been seven wins for USA, five for Belgium, two for Italy and one each for Great Britain, and France.

Lets not talk about from 1981 until 1993......

1994 Great Britain
1995 Belgium
1996 USA
1997 Belgium
1998 Belgium
1999 Italy
2000 USA
2001 France
2002 Italy(but that wasn't really an MXoN as none of the top riders appeared)
2003 Belgium
2004 Belgium
2005 USA
2006 USA
2007 USA
2008 USA
2009 USA
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Prince1 9/18/2010 1:02pm
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MusquinTheBest wrote:
Yes, and do you know what? I could also add more. In a french forum I also read that since Desalle was in the Dungey's team...
Yes, and do you know what? I could also add more. In a french forum I also read that since Desalle was in the Dungey's team, Desalle let him pass.

Will be hard, cause I don't even remember that forum, but I try to search it and I will link it ;-)



I know that this my post will make burst the "chaos".
Prince1 wrote:
How many MX of nations as Frace won when the US team has been there? Ur riders are always always always second fiddle exepct for JMB.
mxgeoff wrote:
France have only won one MXoN period and that was with a B team in 2001. France only really became a top MX nation in the...
France have only won one MXoN period and that was with a B team in 2001. France only really became a top MX nation in the 1980's with Jacky Vimond. In recent years its always been Belgium or USA. I mean Italy have also only won it once and that was in 1999. Great Britain got that win in 1994, but that was a huge shock.

In the last 15 or so years it's been seven wins for USA, five for Belgium, two for Italy and one each for Great Britain, and France.

Lets not talk about from 1981 until 1993......

1994 Great Britain
1995 Belgium
1996 USA
1997 Belgium
1998 Belgium
1999 Italy
2000 USA
2001 France
2002 Italy(but that wasn't really an MXoN as none of the top riders appeared)
2003 Belgium
2004 Belgium
2005 USA
2006 USA
2007 USA
2008 USA
2009 USA
I thought in 2002 Italy won it? Also 1997 was BS, 2001,02,04 we did not go and 03 was a B team RC was there but no Windham and Bubba.
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mxgeoff 9/18/2010 1:06pm
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Prince1 wrote:
How many MX of nations as Frace won when the US team has been there? Ur riders are always always always second fiddle exepct for JMB.
mxgeoff wrote:
France have only won one MXoN period and that was with a B team in 2001. France only really became a top MX nation in the...
France have only won one MXoN period and that was with a B team in 2001. France only really became a top MX nation in the 1980's with Jacky Vimond. In recent years its always been Belgium or USA. I mean Italy have also only won it once and that was in 1999. Great Britain got that win in 1994, but that was a huge shock.

In the last 15 or so years it's been seven wins for USA, five for Belgium, two for Italy and one each for Great Britain, and France.

Lets not talk about from 1981 until 1993......

1994 Great Britain
1995 Belgium
1996 USA
1997 Belgium
1998 Belgium
1999 Italy
2000 USA
2001 France
2002 Italy(but that wasn't really an MXoN as none of the top riders appeared)
2003 Belgium
2004 Belgium
2005 USA
2006 USA
2007 USA
2008 USA
2009 USA
Prince1 wrote:
I thought in 2002 Italy won it? Also 1997 was BS, 2001,02,04 we did not go and 03 was a B team RC was there but...
I thought in 2002 Italy won it? Also 1997 was BS, 2001,02,04 we did not go and 03 was a B team RC was there but no Windham and Bubba.
My mistake, changed it before I read your comment. I am just writing the list, whether USA was there or not.
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ocscottie 9/18/2010 1:53pm
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"Lets not talk about from 1981 until 1993...... "

How come? ...what happened those 12 straight years Cool
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O.o you own the sport? Yeah, of course..............
As I wrote in my last post:

USA: Area 9,826,675 km2

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France: Area 674,843 km2

Italy: Area 301,338 km2

Belgium: Area 30,528 km2

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USA is 14 time bigger than France - 1/14

More tracks, more people, more money, more motocross.
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DavidR 9/18/2010 2:14pm
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redrider400 wrote:
It all boils down to this. Tell AC to come to America and race. He wont do it because he doesnt want to get his ass...
It all boils down to this. Tell AC to come to America and race. He wont do it because he doesnt want to get his ass handed to him. There are more positives than negative for him to make the move. Think about it, he would have more exposure, more money and more fans. The only reason why he wouldnt do it is because he already know what would happen. Think about all the past GP champions that have came over here. They are all badasses, but found a title in America hard to come by. I would live for AC to come over here and race. Only one condition though, he has to leave his helmet and goggles on for the post race interviews, lol.
ando wrote:
[b]Think about all the past GP champions that have came over here. They are all badasses, but found a title in America hard to come by...
Think about all the past GP champions that have came over here. They are all badasses, but found a title in America hard to come by.

Hmmm...

JMB - 3 x AMA titles
Albertyn - AMA MX title
Pichon - 2 x 125SX titles
Langston - 4 x AMA titles
Townley - SX title, nearly beat RV for 250 MX
Pourcel - 2 x SX titles, almost 2 x 250 MX titles

Of course there are others such as Tortelli, Vuillemin, Rattray etc who never won titles but won races and were consistently top 5 guys.

Your euros competing in the US history starts with JMB who came to the states in 1991. Since 1991 euros have won 13 titles (by your math) out of a possible 103 titles contested. I'm not making a judgement, just stating a fact.
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cpj36 9/18/2010 2:15pm
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MusquinTheBest wrote:
O.o you own the sport? Yeah, of course.............. As I wrote in my last post: USA: Area 9,826,675 km2 - France: Area 674,843 km2 Italy: Area...
O.o you own the sport? Yeah, of course..............
As I wrote in my last post:

USA: Area 9,826,675 km2

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France: Area 674,843 km2

Italy: Area 301,338 km2

Belgium: Area 30,528 km2

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USA is 14 time bigger than France - 1/14

More tracks, more people, more money, more motocross.
you forgot China
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jimmie 9/18/2010 2:19pm
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MusquinTheBest wrote:
O.o you own the sport? Yeah, of course.............. As I wrote in my last post: USA: Area 9,826,675 km2 - France: Area 674,843 km2 Italy: Area...
O.o you own the sport? Yeah, of course..............
As I wrote in my last post:

USA: Area 9,826,675 km2

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France: Area 674,843 km2

Italy: Area 301,338 km2

Belgium: Area 30,528 km2

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USA is 14 time bigger than France - 1/14

More tracks, more people, more money, more motocross.
No doubt this gives the USA an advantage, indeed.

But remember, pre 1981 we still struggled in spite of said advantage.
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jimmie 9/18/2010 2:21pm
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cpj36 wrote:
you forgot China
YEAH!
SO THERE!Grinning Grinning Grinning Grinning Grinning
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Spinner wrote:
Remind us, how did Cairoli do at Budds Creek?
mxgeoff wrote:
He did crap, no doubt about it. You might be able to help me, but how many overall wins in the 450cc class from the top...
He did crap, no doubt about it.

You might be able to help me, but how many overall wins in the 450cc class from the top ten riders in the 450cc class. Dungey obviously has a lot from this year, but after him it's pretty thin pickings I think. Short might have a couple, Alessi might have two or three, then thats about it or not.

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Scoreboard.

Winners
Year Team Riders Track
2009 USA Ryan Dungey / Jake Weimer / Ivan Tedesco Franciacorta, Italy
2008 USA James Stewart Jr. / Ryan Villopoto / Tim Ferry Donington Park, UK
2007 USA Ricky Carmichael / Ryan Villopoto / Tim Ferry Budds Creek, USA
2006 USA James Stewart Jr. / Ryan Villopoto / Ivan Tedesco Matterley Basin, UK
2005 USA Ricky Carmichael / Kevin Windham / Ivan Tedesco Ernée, France
2004 Belgium Stefan Everts / Steve Ramon / Kevin Strijbos Lierop, Netherlands
2003 Belgium Stefan Everts / Steve Ramon / Joël Smets Zolder, Belgium
2002 Italy Andrea Bartolini / Alessio Chiodi / Alessandro Puzar Bellpuig, Spain
2001 France Yves Demaria / Luigi Seguy / David Vuillemin Namur, Belgium
2000 USA Ricky Carmichael / Ryan Hughes / Travis Pastrana Saint-Jean-d'Angély, France
1999 Italy Andrea Bartolini / Alessio Chiodi/ Claudio Federici Indaiatuba, Brazil
1998 Belgium Marnicq Bervoets / Patrick Caps / Stefan Everts Foxhills, UK
1997 Belgium Marnicq Bervoets / Stefan Everts / Joël Smets Nismes, Belgium
1996 USA Jeff Emig / Steve Lamson / Jeremy McGrath Jerez de la Frontera, Spain
1995 Belgium Marnicq Bervoets / Stefan Everts / Joël Smets Sverepec, Slovakia
1994 Great Britain Rob Herring / Paul Malin / Kurt Nicoll Roggenburg, Switzerland
1993 USA Jeff Emig / Mike Kiedrowski / Jeremy McGrath Schwanenstadt, Austria
1992 USA Jeff Emig / Mike LaRocco / Billy Liles Manjimup, Australia
1991 USA Damon Bradshaw / Mike Kiedrowski / Jeff Stanton Valkenswaard, Netherlands
1990 USA Damon Bradshaw / Jeff Stanton / Jeff Ward Vimmerby, Sweden
1989 USA Mike Kiedrowski / Jeff Stanton / Jeff Ward Gaildorf, West Germany
1988 USA Rick Johnson / Ron Lechien / Jeff Ward Dung, France
1987 USA Bob Hannah / Rick Johnson / Jeff Ward Unadilla, USA
1986 USA David Bailey / Rick Johnson / Johnny O'Mara Maggiora, Italy
1985 USA David Bailey / Ron Lechien / Jeff Ward Gaildorf, West Germany
1984 USA David Bailey / Rick Johnson / Johnny O'Mara / Jeff Ward Vanta, Finland
1983 USA David Bailey / Mark Barnett / Broc Glover / Jeff Ward Bruxelles, Belgium
1982 USA David Bailey / Danny Chandler / Jim Gibson / Johnny O'Mara Wohlen, Switzerland
1981 USA Donnie Hansen / Danny LaPorte / Johnny O'Mara / Chuck Sun Beilstein, West Germany
1980 Belgium Georges Jobé / André Malherbe / Ivan Van Den Broek / André Vromans
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MusquinTheBest wrote:
O.o you own the sport? Yeah, of course.............. As I wrote in my last post: USA: Area 9,826,675 km2 - France: Area 674,843 km2 Italy: Area...
O.o you own the sport? Yeah, of course..............
As I wrote in my last post:

USA: Area 9,826,675 km2

-

France: Area 674,843 km2

Italy: Area 301,338 km2

Belgium: Area 30,528 km2

-

USA is 14 time bigger than France - 1/14

More tracks, more people, more money, more motocross.
Yeah the US is 14 times bigger with 20 times the MXoN titles as France, keep the stats coming!!!!!!!
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moto282 9/18/2010 4:46pm
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MusquinTheBest wrote:
O.o you own the sport? Yeah, of course.............. As I wrote in my last post: USA: Area 9,826,675 km2 - France: Area 674,843 km2 Italy: Area...
O.o you own the sport? Yeah, of course..............
As I wrote in my last post:

USA: Area 9,826,675 km2

-

France: Area 674,843 km2

Italy: Area 301,338 km2

Belgium: Area 30,528 km2

-

USA is 14 time bigger than France - 1/14

More tracks, more people, more money, more motocross.
Funny how this size argument is used here, but when it comes to "the GPs are a real world championship" the size/population of the US vs US rider participation in GPs isn't mentioned. But according to Mccread the GP series is harder because you have to go through customs a bunch of times. Guess that is harder then racing an entire SX series across the "14 times bigger USA" before our own AMA Nationals series which also spans back and forth across the big ol USA land mass.

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