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Kenny Banyan 6/3/2025 8:14pm
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dhp_mma94 wrote:
yes I kno another chase sexton thread , but I’m chillen out listening to the hangtown review & Steve basically said tht KTM is not too...

yes I kno another chase sexton thread , but I’m chillen out listening to the hangtown review & Steve basically said tht KTM is not too happy right now cause they don’t think chase is all tht hurt & also Steve said someone in the kno made a claim to him tht this could turn into coop’s situation back in ‘23 , so wht the hell is really going on 🤔  

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If the part about Sexton not being too hurt and intentionally holding out, is actually true, that’s a very unprofessional thing to do. You sign on...

If the part about Sexton not being too hurt and intentionally holding out, is actually true, that’s a very unprofessional thing to do. You sign on the dotted line, then you should man up and finish the contract you signed. Not liking the bike is not an excuse to not show up. I’m hoping it isn’t true and would like to think that Sexton is of better character than to not give less than 100%.

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So we've seen he's probably not coming back until Red Bud but has any of the PR's said why? What was the damage thats going to...

So we've seen he's probably not coming back until Red Bud but has any of the PR's said why? What was the damage thats going to keep him out a month? If they havent said what's banged up specifically, thats a little suspect. 

I agree, the whole damn thing is  really quite a strange happening. The Goggles, the crash itself and now several unsubstantiated rumors surrounding his health, and his relationship with KTM. At any rate it’s his business. I’m hoping he gets back soon and gets in the mix up front with Jett and Eli.

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Maybe he's just bummed and burnt out. He lost a sx title from stupid mistakes that he could have won, and then in the opening laps...

Maybe he's just bummed and burnt out. He lost a sx title from stupid mistakes that he could have won, and then in the opening laps at Pala his title hopes ended. 

 

I'd venture to guess he just needs time to get in the right space and feel motivated to race again. 

Be interesting to know what KTM's take on this is.  I'm sure they feel they have a valid contract with Chase that commits him to racing.  

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Gonna be a lot of confused people if Chase ends up staying with KTM next year. 

The biggest casualty of that scenario would be Eli.  He'd be left with basically nowhere to go except Ducati, if that's even a feasible option.

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Kenny Banyan wrote:
If the part about Sexton not being too hurt and intentionally holding out, is actually true, that’s a very unprofessional thing to do. You sign on...

If the part about Sexton not being too hurt and intentionally holding out, is actually true, that’s a very unprofessional thing to do. You sign on the dotted line, then you should man up and finish the contract you signed. Not liking the bike is not an excuse to not show up. I’m hoping it isn’t true and would like to think that Sexton is of better character than to not give less than 100%.

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What if the RUMOR he isn’t hurt isn’t true? Will all of you put your pitchforks down or will you keep demanding something from Chase you...

What if the RUMOR he isn’t hurt isn’t true? Will all of you put your pitchforks down or will you keep demanding something from Chase you don’t demand from others? You all know a concussion isn’t like a broken bone, right? You can’t see it and it doesn’t have a set recovery time, especially if you have experienced multiple times.

ThePizzaCobra wrote:
Whether the rumor is true or not, the need to speculate is the most ridiculous part about this whole debacle. This is supposed to be a...

Whether the rumor is true or not, the need to speculate is the most ridiculous part about this whole debacle. This is supposed to be a professional sport, and there hasn’t been a press release with the health status of one of its star athletes? Instead, we get him trolling the media with more speculation through twitter? What a joke.  

So twice in two months we've had a factory rider just go MIA with nothing (at least initially) from either rider or team to explain or update the situation.

You'd have to think that in both cases there's either conflict between team & rider or at least a willingness to cooperate with information.  If the rider isn't motivated it puts the team in a hard spot because they can't come out with anything remotely solid because they've got nothing to go on.

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yak651 wrote:
What if the RUMOR he isn’t hurt isn’t true? Will all of you put your pitchforks down or will you keep demanding something from Chase you...

What if the RUMOR he isn’t hurt isn’t true? Will all of you put your pitchforks down or will you keep demanding something from Chase you don’t demand from others? You all know a concussion isn’t like a broken bone, right? You can’t see it and it doesn’t have a set recovery time, especially if you have experienced multiple times.

ThePizzaCobra wrote:
Whether the rumor is true or not, the need to speculate is the most ridiculous part about this whole debacle. This is supposed to be a...

Whether the rumor is true or not, the need to speculate is the most ridiculous part about this whole debacle. This is supposed to be a professional sport, and there hasn’t been a press release with the health status of one of its star athletes? Instead, we get him trolling the media with more speculation through twitter? What a joke.  

ando wrote:
So twice in two months we've had a factory rider just go MIA with nothing (at least initially) from either rider or team to explain or...

So twice in two months we've had a factory rider just go MIA with nothing (at least initially) from either rider or team to explain or update the situation.

You'd have to think that in both cases there's either conflict between team & rider or at least a willingness to cooperate with information.  If the rider isn't motivated it puts the team in a hard spot because they can't come out with anything remotely solid because they've got nothing to go on.

Chase updated to his fans before the next race he was hurt and not racing.  That isn't the same as just going missing and being silent.  Sometimes with injuries is not clear if you will be good enough to go.  Maybe he just doesn't know when.  

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ThePizzaCobra wrote:
Whether the rumor is true or not, the need to speculate is the most ridiculous part about this whole debacle. This is supposed to be a...

Whether the rumor is true or not, the need to speculate is the most ridiculous part about this whole debacle. This is supposed to be a professional sport, and there hasn’t been a press release with the health status of one of its star athletes? Instead, we get him trolling the media with more speculation through twitter? What a joke.  

ando wrote:
So twice in two months we've had a factory rider just go MIA with nothing (at least initially) from either rider or team to explain or...

So twice in two months we've had a factory rider just go MIA with nothing (at least initially) from either rider or team to explain or update the situation.

You'd have to think that in both cases there's either conflict between team & rider or at least a willingness to cooperate with information.  If the rider isn't motivated it puts the team in a hard spot because they can't come out with anything remotely solid because they've got nothing to go on.

prozach wrote:
Chase updated to his fans before the next race he was hurt and not racing.  That isn't the same as just going missing and being silent...

Chase updated to his fans before the next race he was hurt and not racing.  That isn't the same as just going missing and being silent.  Sometimes with injuries is not clear if you will be good enough to go.  Maybe he just doesn't know when.  

Oh come on lol… he didnt even list an injury (because there isnt one) he just said hes “banged up” because he had to say something. All of the insider guys are saying its because of friction between chase and ktm. Where theres smoke theres fire. 

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greatlakeskind 6/4/2025 3:15am
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Maybe Chase is savy at business and taking the most money when he can. 

Maybe he looks at the rest of his career as a job to make the most money. 

Maybe its just not about winning. 😱

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ThePizzaCobra wrote:
Whether the rumor is true or not, the need to speculate is the most ridiculous part about this whole debacle. This is supposed to be a...

Whether the rumor is true or not, the need to speculate is the most ridiculous part about this whole debacle. This is supposed to be a professional sport, and there hasn’t been a press release with the health status of one of its star athletes? Instead, we get him trolling the media with more speculation through twitter? What a joke.  

ando wrote:
So twice in two months we've had a factory rider just go MIA with nothing (at least initially) from either rider or team to explain or...

So twice in two months we've had a factory rider just go MIA with nothing (at least initially) from either rider or team to explain or update the situation.

You'd have to think that in both cases there's either conflict between team & rider or at least a willingness to cooperate with information.  If the rider isn't motivated it puts the team in a hard spot because they can't come out with anything remotely solid because they've got nothing to go on.

prozach wrote:
Chase updated to his fans before the next race he was hurt and not racing.  That isn't the same as just going missing and being silent...

Chase updated to his fans before the next race he was hurt and not racing.  That isn't the same as just going missing and being silent.  Sometimes with injuries is not clear if you will be good enough to go.  Maybe he just doesn't know when.  

😂 that’s the equivalent of my 8 year old telling me he can’t go to school because he has a sore tummy.

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ando wrote:
So twice in two months we've had a factory rider just go MIA with nothing (at least initially) from either rider or team to explain or...

So twice in two months we've had a factory rider just go MIA with nothing (at least initially) from either rider or team to explain or update the situation.

You'd have to think that in both cases there's either conflict between team & rider or at least a willingness to cooperate with information.  If the rider isn't motivated it puts the team in a hard spot because they can't come out with anything remotely solid because they've got nothing to go on.

prozach wrote:
Chase updated to his fans before the next race he was hurt and not racing.  That isn't the same as just going missing and being silent...

Chase updated to his fans before the next race he was hurt and not racing.  That isn't the same as just going missing and being silent.  Sometimes with injuries is not clear if you will be good enough to go.  Maybe he just doesn't know when.  

ando wrote:

😂 that’s the equivalent of my 8 year old telling me he can’t go to school because he has a sore tummy.

Did you watch Pala and see him crash and pull out of the race? 

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If KTM AND Honda can’t make a bike that suits him, I have to think Chase is the problem. How much does he think he should...

If KTM AND Honda can’t make a bike that suits him, I have to think Chase is the problem. How much does he think he should be winning? 
Meanwhile, Prado comes from a GasGas (KTM) that was supposedly a rocket and doesn’t think the Kawi engine is fast enough. Eli left Kawi, in part, because they wouldn’t allow him enough flexibility in setup. On tje surface this appears to be a bad decision on Chase’s part. 

"How much does he think he should be winning?"

 

I remember about 4 years ago or so, may have been just after his regional sx title, he said he took the number 23 because he wanted his competitors to fear him the way Jordan's did. Kinda thought that was silly at the time. 

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davistld01 6/4/2025 8:00am
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If Chase does, in fact return soon…and, in fact returns on the KTM, I hope it’s not like the JA21 ordeal where there were no reasons for his walking away forthcoming, and when he did, he seems to be riding at a much lower level than we’re accustomed to seeing him ride. It’s like Jason is honoring a contract but not happy about it.

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ando wrote:
So twice in two months we've had a factory rider just go MIA with nothing (at least initially) from either rider or team to explain or...

So twice in two months we've had a factory rider just go MIA with nothing (at least initially) from either rider or team to explain or update the situation.

You'd have to think that in both cases there's either conflict between team & rider or at least a willingness to cooperate with information.  If the rider isn't motivated it puts the team in a hard spot because they can't come out with anything remotely solid because they've got nothing to go on.

prozach wrote:
Chase updated to his fans before the next race he was hurt and not racing.  That isn't the same as just going missing and being silent...

Chase updated to his fans before the next race he was hurt and not racing.  That isn't the same as just going missing and being silent.  Sometimes with injuries is not clear if you will be good enough to go.  Maybe he just doesn't know when.  

ando wrote:

😂 that’s the equivalent of my 8 year old telling me he can’t go to school because he has a sore tummy.

The equivalent would be if your 8 year old was throwing up and shitting himself and then said he couldn't go to school because of a sore belly.  Did you not see the guy crash into his head on a high speed straight?  

Maybe it's multiple things bothering him?  Maybe he doesn't see the point in risking more injuries riding in whatever the condition is he is in?  

Or maybe the guy who is a multiple time 450 champ racing a career against some great talent, is just making stuff up to avoid Jett and riding a KTM?  🙄

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davistld01 wrote:
If Chase does, in fact return soon…and, in fact returns on the KTM, I hope it’s not like the JA21 ordeal where there were no reasons...

If Chase does, in fact return soon…and, in fact returns on the KTM, I hope it’s not like the JA21 ordeal where there were no reasons for his walking away forthcoming, and when he did, he seems to be riding at a much lower level than we’re accustomed to seeing him ride. It’s like Jason is honoring a contract but not happy about it.

Jason is doing better than Prado.. 

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davistld01 wrote:
If Chase does, in fact return soon…and, in fact returns on the KTM, I hope it’s not like the JA21 ordeal where there were no reasons...

If Chase does, in fact return soon…and, in fact returns on the KTM, I hope it’s not like the JA21 ordeal where there were no reasons for his walking away forthcoming, and when he did, he seems to be riding at a much lower level than we’re accustomed to seeing him ride. It’s like Jason is honoring a contract but not happy about it.

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Jason is doing better than Prado.. 

Jason is riding really well these first two rounds. For some reason he gets more scrutiny than others while he just jumped right back into battling for top 5s outdoors and he has better tracks ahead that he excels at. 

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Did Chase attentd to Jorge Martin's  school of burning bridges?

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Chase is a strange profile. On the one hand, he’s so easy to like because he’s such a stand up guy and so friendly to all the fans. Just great role model and complete professional.

On the other hand, I think even his fans get frustrated at him because of his mental challenges. His lack of clutch factor, oddball crashes, and inability to accept the bike he is on. 

It’s not necessarily that anyone hates him, it’s that we’re frustrated for him because he has so much potential and it’s honestly can be a bit dissatisfying for a fan to watch him keep making the same mistakes year after year.

Case in point:

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SX multiple crashes, loses title if not for Webb/Tomac freak accident. Blames the bike. Crashes as soon as he starts racing Jett. Out for half of MX. Fans bummed because we miss out on great battles.

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SX multiple crashes, loses title. Blames the bike. Crashes as soon as he starts racing Jett. Out for half of MX. Fans bummed because we miss out on great battles.

Also, yes ik he doesn’t publicly blame the bike. But, privately we all know he does because he always switches teams, even when other riders make the bike look great (ex: Jett in 2024 SX)

 

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prozach wrote:
Chase updated to his fans before the next race he was hurt and not racing.  That isn't the same as just going missing and being silent...

Chase updated to his fans before the next race he was hurt and not racing.  That isn't the same as just going missing and being silent.  Sometimes with injuries is not clear if you will be good enough to go.  Maybe he just doesn't know when.  

ando wrote:

😂 that’s the equivalent of my 8 year old telling me he can’t go to school because he has a sore tummy.

USA wrote:

Did you watch Pala and see him crash and pull out of the race? 

I did.  My point is that with my 8yo I know there’s something going on but it’s not the sore tummy; that’s just a smokescreen.

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prozach wrote:
Chase updated to his fans before the next race he was hurt and not racing.  That isn't the same as just going missing and being silent...

Chase updated to his fans before the next race he was hurt and not racing.  That isn't the same as just going missing and being silent.  Sometimes with injuries is not clear if you will be good enough to go.  Maybe he just doesn't know when.  

ando wrote:

😂 that’s the equivalent of my 8 year old telling me he can’t go to school because he has a sore tummy.

prozach wrote:
The equivalent would be if your 8 year old was throwing up and shitting himself and then said he couldn't go to school because of a...

The equivalent would be if your 8 year old was throwing up and shitting himself and then said he couldn't go to school because of a sore belly.  Did you not see the guy crash into his head on a high speed straight?  

Maybe it's multiple things bothering him?  Maybe he doesn't see the point in risking more injuries riding in whatever the condition is he is in?  

Or maybe the guy who is a multiple time 450 champ racing a career against some great talent, is just making stuff up to avoid Jett and riding a KTM?  🙄

No that would be equivalent if Chase had said I’ve got a severe concussion or some other injury preventing him from riding.

When my 8yo says he has a sore tummy I know the problem isn’t his tummy; that’s a smokescreen for some other issue.

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ando wrote:

😂 that’s the equivalent of my 8 year old telling me he can’t go to school because he has a sore tummy.

USA wrote:

Did you watch Pala and see him crash and pull out of the race? 

ando wrote:

I did.  My point is that with my 8yo I know there’s something going on but it’s not the sore tummy; that’s just a smokescreen.

So you think Chase isn't missing time due to the crash we all saw? The one that caused him to immediately pull out of the race?

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Maybe KTM has used up their allotment of scoop tires so Chase is out?

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Chase is banged up, more mentally than physically. Maybe he is trying to get asked to leave like Coop did- have a reset and get an early start on 26 with the Kawi 

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USA wrote:

Did you watch Pala and see him crash and pull out of the race? 

ando wrote:

I did.  My point is that with my 8yo I know there’s something going on but it’s not the sore tummy; that’s just a smokescreen.

USA wrote:

So you think Chase isn't missing time due to the crash we all saw? The one that caused him to immediately pull out of the race?

Maybe, but if so he isn’t just “banged up”.

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Chase is banged up, more mentally than physically. Maybe he is trying to get asked to leave like Coop did- have a reset and get an...

Chase is banged up, more mentally than physically. Maybe he is trying to get asked to leave like Coop did- have a reset and get an early start on 26 with the Kawi 

One thing is for sure, if the same thing happens on the Kawi fingers are going to be pointing at one person..

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Maybe Chase is savy at business and taking the most money when he can. Maybe he looks at the rest of his career as a job to...

Maybe Chase is savy at business and taking the most money when he can. 

Maybe he looks at the rest of his career as a job to make the most money. 

Maybe its just not about winning. 😱

This is actually an interesting take--hadn't looked at it from this angle, but it's not crazy talk.................

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Maybe Chase is savy at business and taking the most money when he can. Maybe he looks at the rest of his career as a job to...

Maybe Chase is savy at business and taking the most money when he can. 

Maybe he looks at the rest of his career as a job to make the most money. 

Maybe its just not about winning. 😱

I’m not so sure the people signing the checks would agree. 

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If KTM AND Honda can’t make a bike that suits him, I have to think Chase is the problem. How much does he think he should...

If KTM AND Honda can’t make a bike that suits him, I have to think Chase is the problem. How much does he think he should be winning? 
Meanwhile, Prado comes from a GasGas (KTM) that was supposedly a rocket and doesn’t think the Kawi engine is fast enough. Eli left Kawi, in part, because they wouldn’t allow him enough flexibility in setup. On tje surface this appears to be a bad decision on Chase’s part. 

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"How much does he think he should be winning?" I remember about 4 years ago or so, may have been just after his regional sx title, he...

"How much does he think he should be winning?"

 

I remember about 4 years ago or so, may have been just after his regional sx title, he said he took the number 23 because he wanted his competitors to fear him the way Jordan's did. Kinda thought that was silly at the time. 

nah he took the 23 cause he grew up a Jordan fan & it went perfect with him on being Honda & aplinestars cause they did great with his special edition bulls theme gear kit 

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Chase is not a quitter he’s had his teeth kicked and still shows up. I think he will come back for some outdoors to keep his seeding decent for SMX before his departure to kawi. 

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USA wrote:

Did you watch Pala and see him crash and pull out of the race? 

ando wrote:

I did.  My point is that with my 8yo I know there’s something going on but it’s not the sore tummy; that’s just a smokescreen.

USA wrote:

So you think Chase isn't missing time due to the crash we all saw? The one that caused him to immediately pull out of the race?

Did you miss the part where (reportedly) his employers stated “they think he’s not injured”?

This is his employer. The guys who saw and spoke to him immediately after the crash. The guys who are allowed to ask questions and demand answers. The guys who can send him to a doctor for review. 

They said (reportedly) that he’s “not all that injured” in public. That’s a pretty big deal isn’t it?? 

Or maybe they got it wrong and the vital users who have never been within 50ft of Chase are right..

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Granted I don't follow these story lines as close as others but I feel the issue with KTM goes beyond the bike and is now personal...

Granted I don't follow these story lines as close as others but I feel the issue with KTM goes beyond the bike and is now personal. The backwards hat is a not so subtle fuck you to his sponsors and I don't think he'd do that if it was just a matter of not finding a good shock setting. Maybe he got stiffed on bonuses or something, just speculating.

He complained about the Honda but left there on good terms (at least publicly) and I think that had more to do with the Lawrence circus than the bike or the team.

 

When he crashed at LA coliseum at the last SMX round he had left the pits before the last moto was finished without talking to anyone.

Lars then reached out during the week and wanted them to eat dinner and have a nice ending but Chase was not interested. 

This is the words from Lars at a Pulp show or other Steve production.

I would not call that good therms and it’s a really shitty behavior from Chase’s side. I get it that he was disappointed in him self for crashing out in the moto, but that’s on him and not the team.

The correct thing would have been to round all the team up and thank the guys he worked with over the years for the support in the titles they won together and then have a dinner with Lars and the other top guys to top it all off.

Even if Honda acted classy about it and also offered him a bike at MXdN in France, I promise that plenty of the guys probably went ”WTF?!” About how he ended it there. 

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I respect all these riders.  They’re all different. All came from different backgrounds.  This is what makes this sport the greatest of them all. 

I didn't know who Chase Sexton was a few years ago, he was in the lites class and only around, up to that point in time, a couple years. 

One Saturday, a few years ago as I was watching day qualifying on tv,   they ran a segment on Chase Sexton and his family. I personally can relate.  That family is top notch and Chase is also a great person. 

Sadly, the sport that we all love has it heros and villains, that being who I cheer for to win would be the hero and the riders I want my hero to beat are the villains. 
And sometimes we forget that these riders are real human beings.  They have family. They have problems at home. Etc, etc. 

I will admit as a kid that Dale Earnhardt was my guy.  Years later I enjoyed seeing someone challenge him and eventually beating him. That did not mean that I lost any respect for Dale but I also enjoyed seeing a new guy coming up and dethroning him, I mean, he won so many times that why wouldnt I enjoy seeing someone beat him. 

Same scenario for Mc. Same for Rc. Same for….what other sport or team should I mention?

Motocross is individuals, yes its an entire team but man, ripping on the Eagles is less abrasive than ripping on rider xxx. 

Then the saddest day Nascar has seen in years was when Dale succumbed to his injuries while racing like Dale did.  He raced his ass off which also made him who he was. 

I guess what Im saying is lets appreciate who all these riders are.  There will be a day that they are no longer out there. Weather its cheering them on or cheering on the others to beat that guy. And when your proverbial villain is no longer on the track, it truly changes things. 


Residing in the land of 5000 lakes and 5000 potholes, Ive been fortunate to have witnessed greatness from
Benolkin, Schmit, Dungey,  Martin Brothers, Voss and many other Minnesota natives.  And Jerry Robin, never met him but was excited to watch him climb the ladder through hard work, skill and motivation. Jerry is on my list of one of greatest from this state.  

Peace, Gnome sayin!

 

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