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So the Eli convo devolved to DNGR doping, rider fitness, and some showin out about how fit we are.
Here's a place for you to voice your thoughts and get told wh your wrong.
I'll go first.
Genetics matter more than anything else.
Go....
I'm hearing Eli to Bajaj
Looks like The Dumbgeon will have another thread soon.
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Thanks for starting the thread! It definitely is a conversation not to be centred around any one rider.
I have one question. It’s a simple one:
Why are MX fans in denial that doping happens in ‘their’ sport?
If you don’t like it, please go away. Let us who want to discuss it carry on. 👍🏻
KTM is done after 2026 and Eli will be riding for Triumph in 2027.
This opens the door for Suzuki and you’ll see new Suzuki 250 teams popping up. Stamp it. New Suzuki bikes coming 2027
That’s a question I’ve been asking for years. Once you get an answer, please let ”US” know.
This quote is from a road cycling magazine talking about cycling and doping, but it fits for moto.
“Listening to the average cyclist talk about doping is like a 4th grader finding a playboy and explaining sex to his friends at school”
As someone that spent nearly 10 years in the USADA testing pool, and has likely been tested as many or more times than nearly any athlete in moto, most everyone here has it very wrong when it comes to all of this.
Mind explaining a little bit more? Doping always interests me for some weird reason.
I could see why some may wonder if there were something up with Deegan, but personally I think you should keep that to yourself unless there were some sort of proof.
Give me a top 5-10 rider that right now would benefit from PED and go all in on that, and jump to top 1-4.
Sorry but I don't see it.
Sure its maybe used to recover from injuries, but it doesn't have the impact/uplift in our sport that It has in other sports, so risk vs reward is debatable.
It's not that hard to grasp.
I was merely providing a little context. I never claimed to be an elite specimen or anything special. Didn’t KR557 post his polar data once a handful of years ago showing 180 something average for nearly 3 hours?
“Us” being the multiple fools using one account?
Yes.
this needs to be pinned as top comment cause moto is 1 of the sports where peds really wouldn’t make a difference, u either have the talent & bike skill or u don’t , simple as tht
Because being stronger on the bike, mixed with a better supply of oxygen and better fitness won’t equate to being faster longer, right?
My favorite part of this discussion is how easy it is to see people's motives..... talking about Deegan doping because of his stamina at the end of motos in a thread about Eli who is notorious for beast mode rides at end of motos but would never be accused of the same thing by the same people......
I'm open to discussion of PEDs in moto but if you're going to accuse some riders of it based on their fitness then at least be consistent with your unfounded accusations.
Eli is doping because he's strong at the end of motos. Stamp it.
See how stupid that sounds?
The Icarus documentary on Netflix was a good watch. In my opinion PED’s in moto would help more with recovery than peak performance.
Pit Row
you can have all tht & still get yo ass smoked , give the top lvl privateer or b rider some peds , manz still aint beating the elites of a Jett , chase or Eli cause they still don’t have their talent & bike skill
I can explain the science but dont really want to. Again. Like it or not, genetics and environment makes the rider. One you can alter, the other is the ceiling on what you're capable of.
You can bust ass, but how your body responds to that work is what makes the difference.
Just tell me what to take..and where to get it….
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The best training for moto is beating off in a porta john in 120 degree afghan heat. It requires intense focus, cardio and forearms that are impervious to pump. It’s also a good metaphor to what this thread will become and in that case I’m in. It’s an acquired taste.
It’s all genetics. Eli is the offspring of two professional athletes, so it’s pretty easy to say that he is going to be something special physically.
To know who is doping in MX is impossible without a PED test. There are outliers in human performance as has been the case in sports going back thousands of years, all the time and everywhere. Just because they kick everyone’s ass isn’t proof they are doping. A lot of people have had theirs asses kicked by that one guy (in all competitive sports) way before PED’s were discovered.
Puff Puff Pass or quit drinking the Kool aid
He also lives and trains at altitude, giving him a higher concentration of red blood cells than his competition.
You can explain the science but don’t want to? You’re the one who started the thread so I think you should take the time to defend your position.
They’ve been doping in sports since the 50s.
There are plenty of tells if you know what to look for.
So is blurting out "suck it" one of them?
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