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This could be the first summer Webb is truly committed to outdoors. He was great at MXDN, he’s no slouch at motocross, just not a consistent participant 😂
For everyone who hasn't been keeping up w/ what Matthes & others say in the middle of their 5 hr long podcasts and don't want to read through 20-page Vital threads: Yes, Webb has been dealing with a hand injury since the offseason. Yes, he plans on racing all 11 rounds of Pro Motocross as of right now. No, we do not know if/when he plans on getting surgery.
I appreciate the nod to civility William but every post on Vital devolves into personal attacks or insults. It’s just the way it’s done here.
Like most of society we’ve lost the ability to respectfully disagree WHILE continuing a discussion.
Thats one of the main reasons people start new threads about the same topic. Usually the original post is way off topic and deep into the weeds by page 2.
I'm here to eat some crow. I think that was super solid riding from Webb today. Very impressive considering the field and Webb's lack of racing the outdoors in the past couple years
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I didn't get the lack of faith in him. I understand some just don't like him so they won't admit his talent but the few outdoors he has done hes always been up there. Not the fastest by far but always solid.
WTG Cooper Webb.
Both motos.
I've never denied his talent. Just thought he wasnt all that on a 450 outdoors. Very solid today. Bummer about his bike in the first moto
I dont think he's all that outdoors clearly there's better guys. He's consistently up front though. 3rd fastest lap 2nd moto behind jett and eli.
I think if Webb gets more confidence outdoors and is having fun he could be a top 5/6 guy. AP is for sure a top 5 guy.
Props to you for manning up and acknowledging that.
Save some of that crow for Hair Licker, if he’ll even come back to this thread after his vitriolic display of Webb Derangement Syndrome.
I don't know if I'm prepared to be tucking into crow just yet. That being said, third fastest lap time was more than I expected from him. I still think the others will get up to speed and he'll be around 7th, like where he was today. As for the weirdos on here that have said he could go for the championship, well, their clearly smashing the meth/PCP pipes on a daily basis.
To say Webb is the favorite for the outdoor 450 championship would be thoughts and wishes from only the truest of Webb's fans. But to say he has no chance of being the 450 outdoor champ would be thoughts from someone who hasn't followed this sport very long. Anything can happen and often does.
So exactly gave up on his bike in the first moto yesterday? Anyone know?
Bike was having problems, it was ticking and getting slower with 2 laps to go, you can listen to the rest of the interview on the post race pulp casts.
Everyone thought that McGrath was Supercross only so he raced outdoors 250 and won the title easily. He would have won it the next year also but got injured and that was the end of his outdoor phase but he proved that if he wanted to do it it was no problem. Webb might do better than anyone expects if he really wants to. We'll see.
He rode solid yesterday, no doubt. But what are we talking here? He wont get in the same zip code as Jett or Eli. I could see some top 5's. Which I think is really good for him
Anyone on the line theoretically has a 'chance' of being 450 champion, provided a whole range of conditions are met. In Webb's case this would involve the top five or six riders being injured and out of the series.
Indeed, one of Webb's girlfriends on here mentioned he had the third fastest laptime in the second moto. The important fact they didn't mention is that Jett's best lap was a 2:16.736. Webb's was 2:20.313.
Webb is not only not in the same zip code as Jett, he's not in the same state, country, or continent.
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Okay boy, you've made your point.
Over and over again.
And again, and again and...
Give it a rest.
No worries, girlfriend. But as long as people keep bringing up Webb as a factor outdoors I'll have to remind them of a large and important thing called reality. And in this thing called reality there are things called past results, past behaviours, and past actions. All of these things can collectively be called facts. And the facts don't lie. Cooper Webb is not going to be a factor outdoors.
Food for thought....
If there were 15 corners / turns on a MX track and you were giving up a mere quarter (.25) of a second per corner, to another rider, you would be down 3.75 seconds at the end of thr lap. This is even more than that 3.57 second lap time difference.
So in reality, it wouldn't be much to improve to get there. No wonder he was 3rd on best fast lap speed.
One thing you dont mention in reality is he hasn't gave outdoors an honest effort on a 450. You say how he makes excuses and doesn't ride outdoors. That is reality. Reality is also he's giving this year a shot so he can come in strong next year. Reality also is no one knows where he will be next year. He might come out and be the 250mx champ webb. So far with the few times he's been on the bike things look promising. This doesn't mean he's going to be champ but it means he has a chance. He has a very good chance to be inside the top 5 every race. One thing you beat is he doesn't have any speed especially outdoors. Yesterday he was the 3rd fastest guy. You argue lap times and how he isn't the fastest in supercross so surely you'll stick to your argument of fast laps here and claim he was 3rd fastest? Yeah didn't think so.
From my earlier post: Jett's best lap was a 2:16.736. Webb's was 2:20.313.
Again reality is you moving the goal posts. Still 3rd fastest even if it was a minute off. Reality is also none of your webb posts have aged well at all. Just say you don't like the guy. Theres riders im not a fan of but I'm not totally unrealistic with their performance.
No one’s as fast as Jett lol. He was faster than 36 other guys
I disagree. All my posts state that Cooper Webb will not be a factor in the outdoor championship. I've consistently placed him behind Jett, Tomac, Sexton, AP, Anderson, Prado, JCoop, and Hunter. I think the fact it's the first round and other riders are sorting themselves out have inflated Webb's performance somewhat. Of course, if Webb proves to be better outdoors this year than he's ever shown before on the 450 I'll be happy to revise my assessment.
And yes, I don't like Cooper Webb and make no bones about it. Nor do I try to pretend I have no problem with him. I think he's shown himself to be lazy and uncommitted to outdoors multiple times over the years, which I think is pretty fucked for a motocross rider. Also, I don't find him to be an exciting rider who blows my mind with speed and style. Clearly others on here care about his 'grit' more than these other factors. That's up to them.
Yes, of course. But I was responding to Webbites in this instance.
Give the man some credit JB. He’s gone from 10-12 down to 5-6! 😎
Always find it interesting to see people getting way too wrapped up in their dislike of certain racers.
And then posted endlessly about them.
The comparisons with MC are complete non sense. Stop comparing Webb to MC in any way shape or form when it comes to MX. It proves you don’t know your MX history.
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