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Don't worry, there's money on the couch cushions

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I believe their fuzzy math includes our economy growing out of the deficit. I really don't see how it can grow that amount without addressing the immigration issues. The country needs more workers.

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The last real deficit hawks left in the 90's. Any more  it's only the out of power party that makes the phony claim that they care. 

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The last real deficit hawks left in the 90's. Any more  it's only the out of power party that makes the phony claim that they care. 

That is very accurate in normal times, but here we uniquely have the in-power party that is still selling it and pushing it. We're making a lot of cuts right now that could end up being painful, so it's probably not going to be well received by the in-power party if the results aren't there. 

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2/26/2025 12:46pm

Lots of emphasis on the debt in todays cabinet meeting. In case you want to watch it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMpL4Hze__4

Trump mentioned some immigration gold card that will raise a bunch of money they claim. I really didn't understand it, but at least I know it exists and will be watching for further talk of it.

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Rich people bypassing immigration wait times and scrutiny for a number ending in multiple 0’s?

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Snail wrote:

Rich people bypassing immigration wait times and scrutiny for a number ending in multiple 0’s?

Yes, $5M. That number is far too large for very many people to afford it, and far too small to make a dent in the deficit. 

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2/26/2025 3:55pm
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Rich people bypassing immigration wait times and scrutiny for a number ending in multiple 0’s?

Falcon wrote:

Yes, $5M. That number is far too large for very many people to afford it, and far too small to make a dent in the deficit. 

Again, this is the first I have heard about this today but there has been some form of this program for 30+ years? Green card related? 

Trump just wants to redirect the money or tweak it a bit guess?

I put question marks because i do not know. Hoping others who are familiar with the program can chime in rather then the knee jerk reactions we usually get.

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2/26/2025 4:24pm

I dunno, maybe tax the shit out of guys like Musk, Bezos, Zukkerberg and that list goes on and on and on.  But I guess since they donated money to Trump, it's easier just to cut programs and jobs of the people that voted him in.

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2/26/2025 4:38pm
Snail wrote:

Rich people bypassing immigration wait times and scrutiny for a number ending in multiple 0’s?

Falcon wrote:

Yes, $5M. That number is far too large for very many people to afford it, and far too small to make a dent in the deficit. 

@Boomslang will be starting a GoFundMe!

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Again, this is the first I have heard about this today but there has been some form of this program for 30+ years? Green card related? Trump...

Again, this is the first I have heard about this today but there has been some form of this program for 30+ years? Green card related? 

Trump just wants to redirect the money or tweak it a bit guess?

I put question marks because i do not know. Hoping others who are familiar with the program can chime in rather then the knee jerk reactions we usually get.

Yes this has been a thing, trump just made it more expensive and will probably nix the aspects that made it beneficial to everyday people.

The word was that Florida Tracks and Trails got built through the EB-5 program. Is that place closed? Last I saw it was kind of a shit show with sxs's but that's what you get when the owners don't really care and just want it as a pass to get into the country. It did look cool though.

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2/26/2025 8:39pm

@Boomslang will be starting a GoFundMe!

Even if I had that kind of money, there is no effing way I'm going to pay $5mil for a green card...nor would I want anyone else to pay the $5mil for me...

...but 2Stroke old buddy, you can send my some of your pocket changed for a bottle of Whisky...I need to relax and calm the nerves...😁

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2/26/2025 8:52pm

@Boomslang will be starting a GoFundMe!

Boomslang wrote:
Even if I had that kind of money, there is no effing way I'm going to pay $5mil for a green card...nor would I want anyone...

Even if I had that kind of money, there is no effing way I'm going to pay $5mil for a green card...nor would I want anyone else to pay the $5mil for me...

...but 2Stroke old buddy, you can send my some of your pocket changed for a bottle of Whisky...I need to relax and calm the nerves...😁

Sorry mate, my pocket change is already allocated...

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2/26/2025 9:13pm

@Boomslang will be starting a GoFundMe!

Boomslang wrote:
Even if I had that kind of money, there is no effing way I'm going to pay $5mil for a green card...nor would I want anyone...

Even if I had that kind of money, there is no effing way I'm going to pay $5mil for a green card...nor would I want anyone else to pay the $5mil for me...

...but 2Stroke old buddy, you can send my some of your pocket changed for a bottle of Whisky...I need to relax and calm the nerves...😁

Sorry mate, my pocket change is already allocated...

Sorry mate, my pocket change is already allocated...

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Bitch....

 

..that Rum looks interesting. 

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2/26/2025 11:21pm
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Even if I had that kind of money, there is no effing way I'm going to pay $5mil for a green card...nor would I want anyone...

Even if I had that kind of money, there is no effing way I'm going to pay $5mil for a green card...nor would I want anyone else to pay the $5mil for me...

...but 2Stroke old buddy, you can send my some of your pocket changed for a bottle of Whisky...I need to relax and calm the nerves...😁

Sorry mate, my pocket change is already allocated...

Sorry mate, my pocket change is already allocated...

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Bitch....

 

..that Rum looks interesting. 

Bundy is good rum 

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I dunno, maybe tax the shit out of guys like Musk, Bezos, Zukkerberg and that list goes on and on and on.  But I guess since...

I dunno, maybe tax the shit out of guys like Musk, Bezos, Zukkerberg and that list goes on and on and on.  But I guess since they donated money to Trump, it's easier just to cut programs and jobs of the people that voted him in.

Two problems with this:

1. They don't hoard cash so there isn't much of anything to tax

2. Even if you took every penny from every billionaire in the country you wouldn't even fund the federal government for a year.

But by all means, keep believing this "tax the rich" bullshit perpetuated by people who have no idea how the monetary and tax system actually work.

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I dunno, maybe tax the shit out of guys like Musk, Bezos, Zukkerberg and that list goes on and on and on.  But I guess since...

I dunno, maybe tax the shit out of guys like Musk, Bezos, Zukkerberg and that list goes on and on and on.  But I guess since they donated money to Trump, it's easier just to cut programs and jobs of the people that voted him in.

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Two problems with this:1. They don't hoard cash so there isn't much of anything to tax2. Even if you took every penny from every billionaire in...

Two problems with this:

1. They don't hoard cash so there isn't much of anything to tax

2. Even if you took every penny from every billionaire in the country you wouldn't even fund the federal government for a year.

But by all means, keep believing this "tax the rich" bullshit perpetuated by people who have no idea how the monetary and tax system actually work.

Even if they did hoard cash it would not be taxed. We don't tax wealth at the federal level only income. Unless the wealth is transferred as in inheritance. Even then it essentially becomes sombody's income.

But to your point, taxing the rich, even more that they already do, will not stop the inevitable. Which is that debt service will eventually swallow the entire annual budget. Including SS and Medicare. It has already surpassed defense spending.

There is nobody in politics today that has the balls to go after the real culprits:entitlements. 

 

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2/27/2025 8:42am

I had a pal check out safe guard - a inside info report of a  Ukraine trucking company.  My co actually I was told the owner is from Lithuania he,s a part owner. I knew something was up on the wait times to get a ld & especially where we went , Brutal jobs. Ps the Ukraine owner did some typical Eastern European bs identify theft & got busted by a mega carrier. There is Very little freight but this was Real bad. I typed in the Ukraine owner & this Chicago ua fb popped up .  Ukraine people r upset that where taking there minerals & owe them money according to there account.  It would blow your mind on how many r in Chicago.  Interesting to page threw & how they network together. I,ve seen this at all the 1099 Chicago co.s.  

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2/27/2025 9:18am

Anyone read this ?  We helped a country that has nukes pointed at NYC & DC The pentagon .  Not Washington state .  Dumbos DC is in a territory not a state. 

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Anyone read this ?  We helped a country that has nukes pointed at NYC & DC The pentagon .  Not Washington state .  Dumbos DC is...

Anyone read this ?  We helped a country that has nukes pointed at NYC & DC The pentagon .  Not Washington state .  Dumbos DC is in a territory not a state. 

They're saying that Ukraine had soviet era Nukes pointed at the US and gave them up and gave nuclear materials to the US in exchange for security assurances back in the 90s. If trump wants to bill Ukraine those materials can be levied against the money owed. 

It doesn't say they have nukes pointed at US now.

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Anyone read this ?  We helped a country that has nukes pointed at NYC & DC The pentagon .  Not Washington state .  Dumbos DC is...

Anyone read this ?  We helped a country that has nukes pointed at NYC & DC The pentagon .  Not Washington state .  Dumbos DC is in a territory not a state. 

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They're saying that Ukraine had soviet era Nukes pointed at the US and gave them up and gave nuclear materials to the US in exchange for...

They're saying that Ukraine had soviet era Nukes pointed at the US and gave them up and gave nuclear materials to the US in exchange for security assurances back in the 90s. If trump wants to bill Ukraine those materials can be levied against the money owed. 

It doesn't say they have nukes pointed at US now.

I don’t see a date or time frame .   I talked with a Russian scientist 2 summers ago . He moved to Cal. In 99 then moved to ny. And was moving to Tx. He had to fight in a war he said they got 1 clip of shooting a ak47 then sent to war.  He also said most nukes they hv r soo okd  no one probably knows the codes or they wouldn’t work. If your bored check out Chicago ua on fb.  All kinds of stuff there Ukraine hot chics looking for a English tutor, a place to live , renting out a room , if blue cross will pay for ?  

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Anyone read this ?  We helped a country that has nukes pointed at NYC & DC The pentagon .  Not Washington state .  Dumbos DC is...

Anyone read this ?  We helped a country that has nukes pointed at NYC & DC The pentagon .  Not Washington state .  Dumbos DC is in a territory not a state. 

early wrote:
They're saying that Ukraine had soviet era Nukes pointed at the US and gave them up and gave nuclear materials to the US in exchange for...

They're saying that Ukraine had soviet era Nukes pointed at the US and gave them up and gave nuclear materials to the US in exchange for security assurances back in the 90s. If trump wants to bill Ukraine those materials can be levied against the money owed. 

It doesn't say they have nukes pointed at US now.

I don’t see a date or time frame .   I talked with a Russian scientist 2 summers ago . He moved to Cal. In 99...

I don’t see a date or time frame .   I talked with a Russian scientist 2 summers ago . He moved to Cal. In 99 then moved to ny. And was moving to Tx. He had to fight in a war he said they got 1 clip of shooting a ak47 then sent to war.  He also said most nukes they hv r soo okd  no one probably knows the codes or they wouldn’t work. If your bored check out Chicago ua on fb.  All kinds of stuff there Ukraine hot chics looking for a English tutor, a place to live , renting out a room , if blue cross will pay for ?  

It's a bad translation but I've been reading your posts for a few years so I'm good at interpreting.

Check out the Montrose foodmart in Chicago, it's a Polish supermarket real popular with the Eastern European people of chicago, lots of beautiful women working and shopping.

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early wrote:
They're saying that Ukraine had soviet era Nukes pointed at the US and gave them up and gave nuclear materials to the US in exchange for...

They're saying that Ukraine had soviet era Nukes pointed at the US and gave them up and gave nuclear materials to the US in exchange for security assurances back in the 90s. If trump wants to bill Ukraine those materials can be levied against the money owed. 

It doesn't say they have nukes pointed at US now.

I don’t see a date or time frame .   I talked with a Russian scientist 2 summers ago . He moved to Cal. In 99...

I don’t see a date or time frame .   I talked with a Russian scientist 2 summers ago . He moved to Cal. In 99 then moved to ny. And was moving to Tx. He had to fight in a war he said they got 1 clip of shooting a ak47 then sent to war.  He also said most nukes they hv r soo okd  no one probably knows the codes or they wouldn’t work. If your bored check out Chicago ua on fb.  All kinds of stuff there Ukraine hot chics looking for a English tutor, a place to live , renting out a room , if blue cross will pay for ?  

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It's a bad translation but I've been reading your posts for a few years so I'm good at interpreting.Check out the Montrose foodmart in Chicago, it's...

It's a bad translation but I've been reading your posts for a few years so I'm good at interpreting.

Check out the Montrose foodmart in Chicago, it's a Polish supermarket real popular with the Eastern European people of chicago, lots of beautiful women working and shopping.

I haven’t been to that 1 yet but I,ve been to others a few times. Always quite a few beautiful women working the cold cut delly, always delicious.  I,ve been in a Polish tavern the old owner asked where u from man ? I said a few blocks away. He asked again I gave the same answer. Then I said Green Bay he says the f ing packers . I said ya there there and dance land just w. In Pulaski is too. He got all loud & excited saying we used to drive in caravans to polka dance.  I said I know I was there as a kid in the 70,s.  It was packed & rowdy.  He then says to the shocking hot bright blonde with bright blue eyes a 1/2 blouse showing her sexing stomach & no bra.  Pours a shot of Polish brandy lights it fire blows it out & slides it to me. This stuff burns going down u hv to cool off with a beer. Then another kind of fire .  I started laughing soo hard I couldn’t stop laughing . Polish brandy is Awesome.   

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2/27/2025 10:46am
early wrote:
They're saying that Ukraine had soviet era Nukes pointed at the US and gave them up and gave nuclear materials to the US in exchange for...

They're saying that Ukraine had soviet era Nukes pointed at the US and gave them up and gave nuclear materials to the US in exchange for security assurances back in the 90s. If trump wants to bill Ukraine those materials can be levied against the money owed. 

It doesn't say they have nukes pointed at US now.

I don’t see a date or time frame .   I talked with a Russian scientist 2 summers ago . He moved to Cal. In 99...

I don’t see a date or time frame .   I talked with a Russian scientist 2 summers ago . He moved to Cal. In 99 then moved to ny. And was moving to Tx. He had to fight in a war he said they got 1 clip of shooting a ak47 then sent to war.  He also said most nukes they hv r soo okd  no one probably knows the codes or they wouldn’t work. If your bored check out Chicago ua on fb.  All kinds of stuff there Ukraine hot chics looking for a English tutor, a place to live , renting out a room , if blue cross will pay for ?  

early wrote:
It's a bad translation but I've been reading your posts for a few years so I'm good at interpreting.Check out the Montrose foodmart in Chicago, it's...

It's a bad translation but I've been reading your posts for a few years so I'm good at interpreting.

Check out the Montrose foodmart in Chicago, it's a Polish supermarket real popular with the Eastern European people of chicago, lots of beautiful women working and shopping.

I hv a new pal at the ymca he’s from Poland . He is here installing a machine & line 100 meters long for 4 months. He works 11 hr days & makes 5 k a month. He says that’s 20k in his country.  Real cool guy we laugh together he says c u tomorrow bud a.  He knows about the polish in Chicago. I gave him traveling tips, etc.  Mon in whirlpool a woman was model beautiful. She’s from Latvia or Lafiate next to z Lithuania.  Her language & z Lithuania r similar but no other languages.  Well I know Lithuania but mostly greetings & words to pu women.   I told her that & said Labasrytus good morning & grazi - beautiful. Her eyes lit up & she smiled .  

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The president from 2020 to 2021 should be prosecuted for overseeing this fraud

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5/22/2025 9:46am Edited Date/Time 5/22/2025 9:47am

More debt, higher interest rates, weaker dollar.

Thanks a lot

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I respect Massie. He has principles and he sticks to them. He’s consistent. Sure I disagree with him on a lot, but that’s okay. This budget is not going to be good for most Americans that’s for sure. 

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I haven’t been to that 1 yet but I,ve been to others a few times. Always quite a few beautiful women working the cold cut delly...

I haven’t been to that 1 yet but I,ve been to others a few times. Always quite a few beautiful women working the cold cut delly, always delicious.  I,ve been in a Polish tavern the old owner asked where u from man ? I said a few blocks away. He asked again I gave the same answer. Then I said Green Bay he says the f ing packers . I said ya there there and dance land just w. In Pulaski is too. He got all loud & excited saying we used to drive in caravans to polka dance.  I said I know I was there as a kid in the 70,s.  It was packed & rowdy.  He then says to the shocking hot bright blonde with bright blue eyes a 1/2 blouse showing her sexing stomach & no bra.  Pours a shot of Polish brandy lights it fire blows it out & slides it to me. This stuff burns going down u hv to cool off with a beer. Then another kind of fire .  I started laughing soo hard I couldn’t stop laughing . Polish brandy is Awesome.   

It's stronger than it should be.

5/22/2025 3:20pm

Do you think it’s possible for a big western democracy to run a surplus anymore ? 

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