That was a murder… Chase would be crazy to leave KTM

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tomlopez wrote:
Call me crazy but I truly believe that version of Chase beats anybody in the world. Including Jett. I just think he only finds that sublime...

Call me crazy but I truly believe that version of Chase beats anybody in the world. Including Jett. I just think he only finds that sublime "flow" once or twice a season, and it always seems to be when Jett is injured. Last time I saw Chase ride like that was Hangtown moto 2 last year.

Not to be that guy and I'll probably earn some dislikes for that but..
that's exactly what people said last year when Sexton won outdoors. And I definitely read your second take aswell.. It's just that we don't know sadly. Jett and Sexton already had multiple races over the last two years where they put an insane gap on 3rd (both MX and SX) and Jett always came out on top so far (except for Southwick moto 2).
I do really hope that he can beat Jett more often this outdoor season, would be better for us fans and his future mindset I think.

That ride yesterday was definitely insane though and it would be unfair to discredit Sexton again just because Jett and Tomac are missing.

The thing that really pisses me off (because I like that guy a lot) is that Arlington triple crown this year where he already had that win, just needed to finish in 2nd in the last moto and absolutely blew it. Sexton basically lost 8 points there even though he had the win in his bag already. Yes, there were other races and mistakes, but nothing like this imo.

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4/20/2025 12:36am
Money wrote:

What if ktm told him they not going to resign him even if he wins 

I don’t know why they would resign him, if he won the title. I would think they would want to re-sign him. 💁🏼

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tomlopez wrote:
Call me crazy but I truly believe that version of Chase beats anybody in the world. Including Jett. I just think he only finds that sublime...

Call me crazy but I truly believe that version of Chase beats anybody in the world. Including Jett. I just think he only finds that sublime "flow" once or twice a season, and it always seems to be when Jett is injured. Last time I saw Chase ride like that was Hangtown moto 2 last year.

Mavetism wrote:
Not to be that guy and I'll probably earn some dislikes for that but..that's exactly what people said last year when Sexton won outdoors. And I...

Not to be that guy and I'll probably earn some dislikes for that but..
that's exactly what people said last year when Sexton won outdoors. And I definitely read your second take aswell.. It's just that we don't know sadly. Jett and Sexton already had multiple races over the last two years where they put an insane gap on 3rd (both MX and SX) and Jett always came out on top so far (except for Southwick moto 2).
I do really hope that he can beat Jett more often this outdoor season, would be better for us fans and his future mindset I think.

That ride yesterday was definitely insane though and it would be unfair to discredit Sexton again just because Jett and Tomac are missing.

The thing that really pisses me off (because I like that guy a lot) is that Arlington triple crown this year where he already had that win, just needed to finish in 2nd in the last moto and absolutely blew it. Sexton basically lost 8 points there even though he had the win in his bag already. Yes, there were other races and mistakes, but nothing like this imo.

Yea I have to agree, untill chase shows it its just hypotheticals. Whooping on webb is a good start, but webb is no jett. Jett had made chase look like chase made webb look last night for the last few years…. average. This should be a good step for chases confidence though if he can close this thing out. Plus jett now has had a lot of time off the bike with multiple injuries in a row, so he hasnt been getting faster on the couch. Should be setting up for a battle in mx. 

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4/20/2025 2:15am

only have to go fast enough to be +1 in points after 17 rounds. 

 

But Chase looked freaking insane in that main.

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wrc777 wrote:

Chase stopped chasing setup a few weeks ago. Now when the bike does something he doesn’t like he can anticipate it. 

Wait until Eli and Jett comes back and you will see Sextons setup problems come back again like they always does when he needs to push it.

The bike works good now because he races a rider that don’t have the same speed as Jett and Eli, just as it worked fine all of a sudden when he just needed to race Hunter outdoors last summer.

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wrc777 wrote:

Chase stopped chasing setup a few weeks ago. Now when the bike does something he doesn’t like he can anticipate it. 

Tumic wrote:
Wait until Eli and Jett comes back and you will see Sextons setup problems come back again like they always does when he needs to push...

Wait until Eli and Jett comes back and you will see Sextons setup problems come back again like they always does when he needs to push it.

The bike works good now because he races a rider that don’t have the same speed as Jett and Eli, just as it worked fine all of a sudden when he just needed to race Hunter outdoors last summer.

I’ve said this for a while. It’s crazy how much better he seems to ride when he is far and away the fastest guy on the track. When he gets challenged is when those pesky front end tucks start showing up. It was like clockwork in Tampa. Malcolm gets close to showing him a wheel and boom, down.

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4/20/2025 3:04am

only have to go fast enough to be +1 in points after 17 rounds. 

 

But Chase looked freaking insane in that main.

As has been mentioned, chase doesn't even need a +1 in points,  most wins is the tie breaker.

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4/20/2025 4:43am

only have to go fast enough to be +1 in points after 17 rounds. 

 

But Chase looked freaking insane in that main.

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As has been mentioned, chase doesn't even need a +1 in points,  most wins is the tie breaker.

touché

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wrc777 wrote:

Chase stopped chasing setup a few weeks ago. Now when the bike does something he doesn’t like he can anticipate it. 

Tumic wrote:
Wait until Eli and Jett comes back and you will see Sextons setup problems come back again like they always does when he needs to push...

Wait until Eli and Jett comes back and you will see Sextons setup problems come back again like they always does when he needs to push it.

The bike works good now because he races a rider that don’t have the same speed as Jett and Eli, just as it worked fine all of a sudden when he just needed to race Hunter outdoors last summer.

Yeah it’s funny how Chase never makes mistakes when he’s clearly faster than the competition.

I’m starting to think Chase’s mistakes aren’t a mental thing - it’s simply when the pace is too high he doesn’t back down, and then makes mistakes.

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4/20/2025 4:53am
Perhaps that was a strategic move by Webb.  Maybe he didn’t feel right on the track.  Perhaps he was in a tough spot mentally.  It would’ve...

Perhaps that was a strategic move by Webb.  Maybe he didn’t feel right on the track.  Perhaps he was in a tough spot mentally.  It would’ve been horrific to challenge for the lead on a track you’re not comfortable with and go from a points lead to a deficit because of a crash.  

If he won tonight, would he have won the title?  

No.

If he crashed, could he have lost the title?

Yes.

Think.

I’m a Webb fan currently but this is a stretch. Dude was P1 in Q1 and 3rd overall. It wasn’t an off night. That’s a strong...

I’m a Webb fan currently but this is a stretch. Dude was P1 in Q1 and 3rd overall. It wasn’t an off night. That’s a strong showing for Webb. Dude just doesn’t have the speed. His only hope is sexton ends up sextoning at this point. Which might happen. He could pull a repeat of Vegas at SLC. We will see. 

Webb had a second a lap on Plessinger in 3rd and put something like 15sec on him. He wasn't laying up. Sexton was just on another level

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4/20/2025 4:56am
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Rider pay is put in escrow at signing before the season ….so reguardless of KTM bankruptcy…Chase would get paid….that is if they have it to offer...

Rider pay is put in escrow at signing before the season ….so reguardless of KTM bankruptcy…Chase would get paid….that is if they have it to offer to begin with.  Can they offer what someone else can??  Who knows…but if I had to shrink the whole team (less riders) to do it…I would.

…and I hate to say it…but KTM juniors should be the first to go probably.  A whole rig and no way bike sales offset no income from the effort.

If that is true about putting rider pay in escrow (I have no idea, but that sounds right and I’ll take your word for it). So while Chase’s pay might be guaranteed, him having a team to bring him to the races and support him is an entirely different matter and that may be what is swaying him to move on. There’s definitely a lot of uncertainty with KTM and it not unlikely that their racing teams may be gutted. So while he might still get paid, there’s no guarantee that the team resources and personnel he has on hand will be there to help him. 

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Chase is early enough in his career it is expected from him to go for the biggest salary. Even if he has to eat a learning curve on a new bike, I expect him to go after the money not the bike. Especially since most of his errors this year have been mental; hitting gates, running into Webb when he had the overall locked up on the triple crown. No bike related "tuck the front" issues like on the Honda. 

4/20/2025 5:26am

If Chase goes to Kawi, he's going to have 2+ years of minimal wins, and bike struggles. Career killer team. 

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4/20/2025 5:31am
tomlopez wrote:
Call me crazy but I truly believe that version of Chase beats anybody in the world. Including Jett. I just think he only finds that sublime...

Call me crazy but I truly believe that version of Chase beats anybody in the world. Including Jett. I just think he only finds that sublime "flow" once or twice a season, and it always seems to be when Jett is injured. Last time I saw Chase ride like that was Hangtown moto 2 last year.

It’s something that can be tapped into. This is what Ricky was so damn good at. Chase is still learning himself and if he figures out his mind and it catches up with his body. Look out everyone else. He is that damn good 

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4/20/2025 5:58am
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Why would Prado left KTM after being 4x champ?Why would Herlings search for a way out the brand he’s been with for his entire life?It’s no...

Why would Prado left KTM after being 4x champ?

Why would Herlings search for a way out the brand he’s been with for his entire life?

It’s no secret by now

 

KTM is going after riders who can win another world title in the 450cc class, Herlings isn't one of those riders.

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4/20/2025 6:21am Edited Date/Time 4/20/2025 6:23am
tomlopez wrote:
Call me crazy but I truly believe that version of Chase beats anybody in the world. Including Jett. I just think he only finds that sublime...

Call me crazy but I truly believe that version of Chase beats anybody in the world. Including Jett. I just think he only finds that sublime "flow" once or twice a season, and it always seems to be when Jett is injured. Last time I saw Chase ride like that was Hangtown moto 2 last year.

Mavetism wrote:
Not to be that guy and I'll probably earn some dislikes for that but..that's exactly what people said last year when Sexton won outdoors. And I...

Not to be that guy and I'll probably earn some dislikes for that but..
that's exactly what people said last year when Sexton won outdoors. And I definitely read your second take aswell.. It's just that we don't know sadly. Jett and Sexton already had multiple races over the last two years where they put an insane gap on 3rd (both MX and SX) and Jett always came out on top so far (except for Southwick moto 2).
I do really hope that he can beat Jett more often this outdoor season, would be better for us fans and his future mindset I think.

That ride yesterday was definitely insane though and it would be unfair to discredit Sexton again just because Jett and Tomac are missing.

The thing that really pisses me off (because I like that guy a lot) is that Arlington triple crown this year where he already had that win, just needed to finish in 2nd in the last moto and absolutely blew it. Sexton basically lost 8 points there even though he had the win in his bag already. Yes, there were other races and mistakes, but nothing like this imo.

That’s the race I was thinking about when I said Chase poorly managed last nights win on page 1 in this thread. Did he need to win last night? Yes. Did he need to win by 15+ seconds? No. Earlier this year at Arlington, did he need to win that race? No. He tried to anyway and crashed and loses points. Again, bad race management. I hope his consistent poor race management doesn’t cost him this title, I’d like to see him win it. 

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wrc777 wrote:

Chase stopped chasing setup a few weeks ago. Now when the bike does something he doesn’t like he can anticipate it. 

Tumic wrote:
Wait until Eli and Jett comes back and you will see Sextons setup problems come back again like they always does when he needs to push...

Wait until Eli and Jett comes back and you will see Sextons setup problems come back again like they always does when he needs to push it.

The bike works good now because he races a rider that don’t have the same speed as Jett and Eli, just as it worked fine all of a sudden when he just needed to race Hunter outdoors last summer.

ando wrote:
Yeah it’s funny how Chase never makes mistakes when he’s clearly faster than the competition.I’m starting to think Chase’s mistakes aren’t a mental thing - it’s...

Yeah it’s funny how Chase never makes mistakes when he’s clearly faster than the competition.

I’m starting to think Chase’s mistakes aren’t a mental thing - it’s simply when the pace is too high he doesn’t back down, and then makes mistakes.

Yep. Have said many times he could ride around in 5th like most of the factory guys do, never crash, but also wouldn't have the titles. Listening to the criticism he always gets it seems like a lot of people think that would be better. It's weird. 

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4/20/2025 7:12am
tomlopez wrote:
Call me crazy but I truly believe that version of Chase beats anybody in the world. Including Jett. I just think he only finds that sublime...

Call me crazy but I truly believe that version of Chase beats anybody in the world. Including Jett. I just think he only finds that sublime "flow" once or twice a season, and it always seems to be when Jett is injured. Last time I saw Chase ride like that was Hangtown moto 2 last year.

Mavetism wrote:
Not to be that guy and I'll probably earn some dislikes for that but..that's exactly what people said last year when Sexton won outdoors. And I...

Not to be that guy and I'll probably earn some dislikes for that but..
that's exactly what people said last year when Sexton won outdoors. And I definitely read your second take aswell.. It's just that we don't know sadly. Jett and Sexton already had multiple races over the last two years where they put an insane gap on 3rd (both MX and SX) and Jett always came out on top so far (except for Southwick moto 2).
I do really hope that he can beat Jett more often this outdoor season, would be better for us fans and his future mindset I think.

That ride yesterday was definitely insane though and it would be unfair to discredit Sexton again just because Jett and Tomac are missing.

The thing that really pisses me off (because I like that guy a lot) is that Arlington triple crown this year where he already had that win, just needed to finish in 2nd in the last moto and absolutely blew it. Sexton basically lost 8 points there even though he had the win in his bag already. Yes, there were other races and mistakes, but nothing like this imo.

vdrsnk04 wrote:
That’s the race I was thinking about when I said Chase poorly managed last nights win on page 1 in this thread. Did he need to...

That’s the race I was thinking about when I said Chase poorly managed last nights win on page 1 in this thread. Did he need to win last night? Yes. Did he need to win by 15+ seconds? No. Earlier this year at Arlington, did he need to win that race? No. He tried to anyway and crashed and loses points. Again, bad race management. I hope his consistent poor race management doesn’t cost him this title, I’d like to see him win it. 

This is what kills me.  Your taking your thoughts and saying he should have done X in situation Y from a very far perspective.  Truth is, It is easy to see why he wanted to pass Cooper that night and pull away and win.  A win is a win we all know that, but Alpha males show who the Alpha is and they are doing that very thing as we speak. 

Simple scenario, Chase passes Coop he beats him down mentally and says Got ya or it plays out the way it did or some other fashion. Chase either looks like a badass or like an idiot. For Chase he still needs to give that confidence booster to himself like he did yesterday. I am willing to bet now that box is checked, he will be smarter with his race craft. 

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Putting 18 seconds on the field is Old School Cool and I am here for it. 

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4/20/2025 7:20am

I’m seeing a lot of comments mentioning Sexton last year. That was his first year on KTM. The bike that everyone hated and caused Webb to leave to Yamaha. He hasn’t been near as vocal this year about the bike, even when he loses.  Ian Harrison said Roger made some parts for Chase, I think around Birmingham and they haven’t done much since. 

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Webb has to be in panic mode after that race. That was ridiculous. 

vdrsnk04 wrote:
I think the opposite. Chase did a poor job managing a lead. No need to win by that much, it’s silly to risk throwing it away...

I think the opposite. Chase did a poor job managing a lead. No need to win by that much, it’s silly to risk throwing it away by tucking the front or something. Coop will be ready to pounce when that happens.

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lol, if he slowed down any more to let coop keep up he would’ve fell over

After the halfway point, every time they showed Chase I told my wife that he’s just rolling around.  I couldn’t imagine him going any slower.  He was still doing the jump on to table that almost nobody else was doing though.  I have no doubt that he had more fuel in the tank that he simply wasn’t burning.

If that Chase continues to show up, he steam rolls the field…

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Still plenty of time for Chase to do Chase things and stall the bike or tuck the front 😆

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Tumic wrote:
Wait until Eli and Jett comes back and you will see Sextons setup problems come back again like they always does when he needs to push...

Wait until Eli and Jett comes back and you will see Sextons setup problems come back again like they always does when he needs to push it.

The bike works good now because he races a rider that don’t have the same speed as Jett and Eli, just as it worked fine all of a sudden when he just needed to race Hunter outdoors last summer.

ando wrote:
Yeah it’s funny how Chase never makes mistakes when he’s clearly faster than the competition.I’m starting to think Chase’s mistakes aren’t a mental thing - it’s...

Yeah it’s funny how Chase never makes mistakes when he’s clearly faster than the competition.

I’m starting to think Chase’s mistakes aren’t a mental thing - it’s simply when the pace is too high he doesn’t back down, and then makes mistakes.

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Yep. Have said many times he could ride around in 5th like most of the factory guys do, never crash, but also wouldn't have the titles...

Yep. Have said many times he could ride around in 5th like most of the factory guys do, never crash, but also wouldn't have the titles. Listening to the criticism he always gets it seems like a lot of people think that would be better. It's weird. 

I agree 100%.  Chase wants to win.  It’s funny that even pushing it to the point of going down multiple times…and some at critical points….he is still solidly in the championship race.  That’s how good he is.  He makes the choice.  2 titles so far doing it.  I’m all for Chase being Chase and he is improving on keeping it upright.  Some have gone down much less and where are they?…except Webb.  …and admit it or not….he is the hunted right now.  It’s easy to make different decisions from the couch shoving cheese puffs in your face.  Chase is doing what very few humans can do at that level.  Maybe enjoy the greatness of it instead of being uncle Rico.

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vdrsnk04 wrote:
I think the opposite. Chase did a poor job managing a lead. No need to win by that much, it’s silly to risk throwing it away...

I think the opposite. Chase did a poor job managing a lead. No need to win by that much, it’s silly to risk throwing it away by tucking the front or something. Coop will be ready to pounce when that happens.

yak651 wrote:

lol, if he slowed down any more to let coop keep up he would’ve fell over

Press516 wrote:
After the halfway point, every time they showed Chase I told my wife that he’s just rolling around.  I couldn’t imagine him going any slower.  He...

After the halfway point, every time they showed Chase I told my wife that he’s just rolling around.  I couldn’t imagine him going any slower.  He was still doing the jump on to table that almost nobody else was doing though.  I have no doubt that he had more fuel in the tank that he simply wasn’t burning.

If that Chase continues to show up, he steam rolls the field…

Yeah believe the only thing keeping him from this championship is possibly a first turn crash/carnage

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4/20/2025 8:23am
Kyzer138 wrote:

Still plenty of time for Chase to do Chase things and stall the bike or tuck the front 😆

Right. I'm keeping all my shit talking comments to myself until the dust settles at the end of the season. He had an 18sec lead and my ass was still puckered up waiting for him to "do Chase things."

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That may be the most thoroughly cooper webb has ever been dominated. From losing last week and getting finger gunned, to saying hes gonna come back...

That may be the most thoroughly cooper webb has ever been dominated. From losing last week and getting finger gunned, to saying hes gonna come back and whoop chases ass…. that was supposed to be a bounce back from coop. To lose by almost 20 seconds when they both started in the same spot was crazy. Chase looks as good as he ever has. 

Ppl always say ooooo he was so fast on the honda though. They dont mention how he washed out the front end and crashed CONSTANTLY. Hes the best hes ever been on the ktm. To switch from this to another bike right now and have to take a year to learn a new bike would be nuts. If he is able to beat webb in a slug fest like this could be the next step he needs to take to be able to beat jett. Now is not the time to change anything, its the time to keep compounding. That was a donination. Never count out coop, but chase is lookin as good as ever. 

that right there is a tough beat down to overcome mentally.....that said, if anyone can use it as motivation its coop

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tomlopez wrote:
Call me crazy but I truly believe that version of Chase beats anybody in the world. Including Jett. I just think he only finds that sublime...

Call me crazy but I truly believe that version of Chase beats anybody in the world. Including Jett. I just think he only finds that sublime "flow" once or twice a season, and it always seems to be when Jett is injured. Last time I saw Chase ride like that was Hangtown moto 2 last year.

Mavetism wrote:
Not to be that guy and I'll probably earn some dislikes for that but..that's exactly what people said last year when Sexton won outdoors. And I...

Not to be that guy and I'll probably earn some dislikes for that but..
that's exactly what people said last year when Sexton won outdoors. And I definitely read your second take aswell.. It's just that we don't know sadly. Jett and Sexton already had multiple races over the last two years where they put an insane gap on 3rd (both MX and SX) and Jett always came out on top so far (except for Southwick moto 2).
I do really hope that he can beat Jett more often this outdoor season, would be better for us fans and his future mindset I think.

That ride yesterday was definitely insane though and it would be unfair to discredit Sexton again just because Jett and Tomac are missing.

The thing that really pisses me off (because I like that guy a lot) is that Arlington triple crown this year where he already had that win, just needed to finish in 2nd in the last moto and absolutely blew it. Sexton basically lost 8 points there even though he had the win in his bag already. Yes, there were other races and mistakes, but nothing like this imo.

vdrsnk04 wrote:
That’s the race I was thinking about when I said Chase poorly managed last nights win on page 1 in this thread. Did he need to...

That’s the race I was thinking about when I said Chase poorly managed last nights win on page 1 in this thread. Did he need to win last night? Yes. Did he need to win by 15+ seconds? No. Earlier this year at Arlington, did he need to win that race? No. He tried to anyway and crashed and loses points. Again, bad race management. I hope his consistent poor race management doesn’t cost him this title, I’d like to see him win it. 

A bunch of guys through the years have had the same issue. You would think someone inside their circle would have given them a copy of Ake Jonsson's book. Paraphrasing,,, "The idea is to win the race at the slowest speed possible." 

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4/20/2025 9:05am

Chase on a ktm is faster than everyone in the world…..except Jett. 

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Kyzer138 wrote:

Still plenty of time for Chase to do Chase things and stall the bike or tuck the front 😆

So your one of those guys.... got it

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Mavetism wrote:
Not to be that guy and I'll probably earn some dislikes for that but..that's exactly what people said last year when Sexton won outdoors. And I...

Not to be that guy and I'll probably earn some dislikes for that but..
that's exactly what people said last year when Sexton won outdoors. And I definitely read your second take aswell.. It's just that we don't know sadly. Jett and Sexton already had multiple races over the last two years where they put an insane gap on 3rd (both MX and SX) and Jett always came out on top so far (except for Southwick moto 2).
I do really hope that he can beat Jett more often this outdoor season, would be better for us fans and his future mindset I think.

That ride yesterday was definitely insane though and it would be unfair to discredit Sexton again just because Jett and Tomac are missing.

The thing that really pisses me off (because I like that guy a lot) is that Arlington triple crown this year where he already had that win, just needed to finish in 2nd in the last moto and absolutely blew it. Sexton basically lost 8 points there even though he had the win in his bag already. Yes, there were other races and mistakes, but nothing like this imo.

vdrsnk04 wrote:
That’s the race I was thinking about when I said Chase poorly managed last nights win on page 1 in this thread. Did he need to...

That’s the race I was thinking about when I said Chase poorly managed last nights win on page 1 in this thread. Did he need to win last night? Yes. Did he need to win by 15+ seconds? No. Earlier this year at Arlington, did he need to win that race? No. He tried to anyway and crashed and loses points. Again, bad race management. I hope his consistent poor race management doesn’t cost him this title, I’d like to see him win it. 

A bunch of guys through the years have had the same issue. You would think someone inside their circle would have given them a copy of...

A bunch of guys through the years have had the same issue. You would think someone inside their circle would have given them a copy of Ake Jonsson's book. Paraphrasing,,, "The idea is to win the race at the slowest speed possible." 

Cuck mentality. Beat em, and beat em bad.

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