Why do you think the markets are tanking?

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Fantasy

See title.

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seth505
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Is this a serious question? The market hates volatility and the US president is causing as much volatility as possible.  Not much else to say

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Normal market uncertainty. 

Tariffs.

The change from a government driven economy, to one driven by our private sector. 

 

Like someone said, everything was stagnant, nothing dynamic in the past 4yrs. 

The market liked it that way. 

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The clown show effect. Unstableness breeds instability. 

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Trump supporters are going to spin this into a positive in anyway possible.

Trump objectors are going to spin this into a negative in anyway possible.

The truth?  It's somewhere in the middle.

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don't care.  

It's a buying opportunity.....

 

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3/13/2025 4:55pm
LungButter wrote:
Trump supporters are going to spin this into a positive in anyway possible.Trump objectors are going to spin this into a negative in anyway possible.The truth...

Trump supporters are going to spin this into a positive in anyway possible.

Trump objectors are going to spin this into a negative in anyway possible.

The truth?  It's somewhere in the middle.

Some people will see this as an opportunity...

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Wait till the industrial PPI and CAPEX numbers come in for the next few quarters.

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Because we have a Convicted Felon as a President and another Rich POS  Trying to run the Country 

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A man that had casinos go bankrupt and people questioning why the markets are tanking


You can’t make this shit up

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3/13/2025 6:39pm Edited Date/Time 3/13/2025 6:40pm

TDS 

You Can Not Make This Shit Up©️

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zookrider62!
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TeamGreen wrote:

TDS 

You Can Not Make This Shit Up©️

Not sure what male shit up means, sounds kinda gay


*not that there’s anything wrong with that

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TeamGreen
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TeamGreen wrote:

TDS 

You Can Not Make This Shit Up©️

Not sure what male shit up means, sounds kinda gay


*not that there’s anything wrong with that

Thumbs

But, it’s fixed now. 

And, besides, “Male this shit up” might apply.. 🤣

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zookrider62!
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TeamGreen wrote:

TDS 

You Can Not Make This Shit Up©️

Not sure what male shit up means, sounds kinda gay


*not that there’s anything wrong with that

TeamGreen wrote:

Thumbs

But, it’s fixed now. 

And, besides, “Male this shit up” might apply.. 🤣

I was bummed that you fixed it so quick ☹️

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3/13/2025 7:26pm
LungButter wrote:
Trump supporters are going to spin this into a positive in anyway possible.Trump objectors are going to spin this into a negative in anyway possible.The truth...

Trump supporters are going to spin this into a positive in anyway possible.

Trump objectors are going to spin this into a negative in anyway possible.

The truth?  It's somewhere in the middle.

Some people will see this as an opportunity...

Some people will see this as an opportunity...

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Printers will go brrrrrr in a short while. 

Its a buying opportunity soon. Market always goes up eventually. Be smart be brave. 

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3/13/2025 7:35pm
LungButter wrote:
Trump supporters are going to spin this into a positive in anyway possible.Trump objectors are going to spin this into a negative in anyway possible.The truth...

Trump supporters are going to spin this into a positive in anyway possible.

Trump objectors are going to spin this into a negative in anyway possible.

The truth?  It's somewhere in the middle.

Some people will see this as an opportunity...

Some people will see this as an opportunity...

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Printers will go brrrrrr in a short while. 

Its a buying opportunity soon. Market always goes up eventually. Be smart be brave. 

There are buying opportunities now, if you know where to look!

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JM485
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LungButter wrote:
Trump supporters are going to spin this into a positive in anyway possible.Trump objectors are going to spin this into a negative in anyway possible.The truth...

Trump supporters are going to spin this into a positive in anyway possible.

Trump objectors are going to spin this into a negative in anyway possible.

The truth?  It's somewhere in the middle.

Yep, and the simple answer is uncertainty.  Markets don't like uncertainty.  With tariffs bouncing around and changing overnight it's hard to forecast what might happen, hence a selloff (or in my opinion, an outstanding buying opportunity for the long term).

 

If we were to see the country move away from income taxes and towards tariffs I think it could be good in the long run and help strengthen consumers, but there will definitely be some pain in the short term no doubt about it.

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It’s not just the markets.  I am seeing a paralyzing effect on the construction finance sector.  We use a shit ton of steel and aluminum, and with the existing (maybe the only thing Biden did right) tax breaks all projects were moving to domestic content already.  Now with the tariff uncertainty, it drives up domestic steel almost as much as imported due to competition.  

The downside is projects are getting pushed to the right (delayed), or cancelled.  Which squeezes all of the company’s, and more importantly blue collar workers who install.  

I really wish President Trump would focus on one thing for a bit.  The unpredictability of it all is in fact causing layoffs. I see where he is going, and I approve, just not sure with the way we are going about it he will achieve his goal before we enter a recession.  

Hope I’m wrong. 

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3/13/2025 8:17pm Edited Date/Time 3/13/2025 8:20pm

Full on reversal incoming in my opinion. When Indexes are 40% off highs and it's buy, by, bye.....BWTFDIK😅

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3/13/2025 8:50pm

The economy crashed in Feb 2021 . 1.7 million loads 250 miles radius of Chicago in late 2020. Feb 2021 78 loads party over hand outs  over.  Where operating on the real economy then.  People r broke there not buying much but the nescesities .  Stock market numbers hv been cooked for yrs . A correction is long ovr due to. They won’t do it because it will show a actual number of 2,500 .   That’s why weapon loads hv been disappearing .  

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3/13/2025 9:05pm
It’s not just the markets.  I am seeing a paralyzing effect on the construction finance sector.  We use a shit ton of steel and aluminum, and...

It’s not just the markets.  I am seeing a paralyzing effect on the construction finance sector.  We use a shit ton of steel and aluminum, and with the existing (maybe the only thing Biden did right) tax breaks all projects were moving to domestic content already.  Now with the tariff uncertainty, it drives up domestic steel almost as much as imported due to competition.  

The downside is projects are getting pushed to the right (delayed), or cancelled.  Which squeezes all of the company’s, and more importantly blue collar workers who install.  

I really wish President Trump would focus on one thing for a bit.  The unpredictability of it all is in fact causing layoffs. I see where he is going, and I approve, just not sure with the way we are going about it he will achieve his goal before we enter a recession.  

Hope I’m wrong. 

I know quite a few people in the steel industry in different states . The steel numbers hv been wayy down the last 4 yrs . Along with everything I know bean counters at mega carriers that study futures of everything.  The only increase of product in 25 is BEER.  Non stop flights from Eastern Europe to America people with work visas . Mostly white collar people they will work for a 1/4 of white collar wages .  Corporations are hiring them because they don’t want to go bankrupt.  White collar wages r just too high compared to the other positions at co.s.  I bet more EU people entered than Americans wc hired in the last 60 days.  Gravy train is over . A ton of 55 yr old wC are retiring now.  Because of it 

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Nothing to panic about, if you look at the overall chart of market bull runs vs sell offs, the sell offs are a far shorter period than the bull runs. The recovery period to get back to previous all time high's usually is under 1 year, but will then continue upward for a 1-4 year stint before the next pull back.

Hold your investments, buy more if you can. Then just wait.

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TeamGreen wrote:

TDS 

You Can Not Make This Shit Up©️

Like I said, markets like things stable.

It's a good base of operations.

They don't like the changes they see on the horizon. 

They can't plan for their future.

 

Our rebirthing of a strong private sector economy, and subsequent spending, isn't going to follow a tight timeline. 

It'll get rolling.

How quickly is the question.

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Has nothing to do with Trump. Market PE ratios are way high, some of that had to do with international investors having nowhere else to go. This is just a correction that was needed. But that being said the market ultimately has nowhere to go but up, emerging market's economies will continue to grow long term.

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3/14/2025 8:13am

More of an observation of the economy really, average folks.

For what it is worth I was visiting with my sister this week. Her and her husband own 4 fast food joints and she said business is off 37%. They were talking with a man who has a fancy sit down restaurant that is popular and he told them he has half as many people coming into his place. It costs too much to eat out.

My step son is a mechanic and he said business is really slow. In my opinion cars are too expensive to buy and maintain for the average person. They are too complicated, too much to go wrong on them.

Like I posted last weekend, my home owners insurance just went up 40% and I have never filed a claim nor live in any danger zone. My sis, who i mentioned above, their insurance on their fast food places doubled.

Nothing has come down in price.

There is a potato seed cutting place down the road from me that is seasonal, runs mid February to May. They usually have a hard time finding people to work, now they have lots of people stopping, looking for work.

 

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I think that a correction was probably due but the tariffs added some fear factor. The big players could be playing along to get a bigger dip to exploit. Sort of like a reverse pump and dump. There are many people who think that Trump is just kidding. If they are right, they will profit from the fear. If they are wrong and we dive into an international trade war then they will get cleaned out and the the US could easily go into recession. The markets don't necessarily turn bear in a recession unless it looks long term. One thing to keep in mind is that Buffett sold more stocks in 2024 than the previous several years combined. He dumped a lot of bank stocks which are hit particularly hard in recessions. 

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'Its not Trump' = mega partisanship blindness. 

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Probably this

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ns503 wrote:

'Its not Trump' = mega partisanship blindness. 

I see your point, PE ratios on stocks are right in line.

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3/14/2025 11:22am
Magoofan wrote:

don't care.  

It's a buying opportunity.....

 

This is true, but much more beneficial to billionaires, not common investors.

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Magoofan wrote:

don't care.  

It's a buying opportunity.....

 

seth505 wrote:

This is true, but much more beneficial to billionaires, not common investors.

Middle class is fighting each other. left vs right. americans vs rest of the world. And in the meantime the super rich become even more rich and powerful. And the lower class gets completely lost along the way. 

But yeah, immigrants and exports are the problem....

 

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