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the rebates on the 2023/20234 are gone, expired 12/31, no more $7500 deals, assuming that was true. ALL KTM's are full MSRP as of now. So you missed out if you didn't get a bike. Anything can happen but we're back at $12/$13k OTD as of 1/1/25.
I’m not sure about that? Unless dealers haven’t updated their websites there are still 24s and 23 bikes listed for what they were in December. Checked multiple dealers sites.
you can be sure, talked to Chip Munn, owner of Munn Motorsports. Rebates expired 12/31, you can google it. Dealers obviously haven't updated their websites. I tried to buy a 24 KTM 500 from three different dealers today, all said rebates are gone so back to MSPR on all 2023/2024 bikes
"I mean somebody had to be doing their jobs at some level."
I never thought I would see you state that about Pierer Mobility!
There's always room for cost cutting, reduced overheads, cheaper labor (offshoring)...
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Give it a month or two.
Give it a couple days. Yamaha had a bunch of rebates going on 2023/2024 models that seemed to expire on 12/31. I checked a few days after the new year and it looked like they were gone, but now those rebates are back on the website. Probably has something to do with the way they keep the websites updated, and maybe KTM is behind on this stuff. Shit, they don't even have many of their models updated for 2025.... 690 models still show only up to 2024.
Sounds like he's more interested in securing the grid spots for a future project than he is in saving the team.
https://www.motogpnews.com/2025/01/04/why-lewis-hamilton-may-demand-that-ktm-leave-motogp-in-investment-talks/
KTM hasn't released 2025 690 Enduro's yet, that's why they're not on the website.
Really if they have to pay back a huge chunk of their debts in 2 years they need to make big time money. Because of that I don't see a ton of massive rebates other than bikes that just aren't moving. Will be interesting to see how this goes the next 6 months. Sounds like they are out of motogp in 26 as well and I bet we see a lot more racing cutbacks for the next two years. But if they are essentially debt free after 2 years then that gives them massive advantages after that point. I guess I don't know if they can borrow more money to pay the current debtors or what?
Bingo the rebates will be back in feb and march and I bet they’ll be even stronger.
Nobody’s gonna be biting on the bikes at full rate when a month ago they were 2-4k off…
Anybody have a handle on the labor cost difference in manufacturing in Northern Europe V Japan? I’m guessing it’s notably higher in the EU?
Just wondering if KTM could produce bikes at the same price point as the Japanese OEMs.
This is the issue with going down this route. Doing large rebates of several thousand dollars makes it difficult to go back to standard pricing. Customers will simply wait and then your inventory goes up and you offer rebates again. Ask GM and many domestic car makers. And in this case where the company is struggling it is almost guaranteed. They would have been better off making the regular price halfway between the rebated price and their old MSRP.
Few if any will but these again at 12k
I mean they need cash bad. What else are they going to do to get more cash? They need to move inventory somehow.
Even if they break even. But the longer they wait to sell units (especially older ones like 2023) the bigger chance they have of taking a loss.
People will pay $12k for a bike, just depends on the market/economy.
ever think maybe it's in their or someone elses best interest not to have any sales right now?
I still think the 350's will sell out. If they don't produce more bikes and there is a finite number of 350's available......i could see it being a real bitch to buy one of those down the road. Are there even any 2024 350's available?
They are both considered high cost countries but so is the US. The Japanese may be using more Chinese parts. KTM probably used a lot of eastern EU countries for parts which were considered low cost countries but that has changed over time especially with the inflation caused by the Russian sanctions driving up energy and some raw material prices. Japan probably also benefits from low shipping costs to get raw materials from China.
Average wages are 30% lower in Japan than Austria, 80% lower in China.
Thanks - so I would assume that the higher labor plus assumed higher quality of 3rd party parts = little chance of making a “more affordable “ bike.
More affordable = more sales esp when consumer financing is unattractive.
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Don't assume higher quality of 3rd party parts due to country on manufacture, good and bad parts can be manufactured in any country.
^^ yeah I’m thinking more on lines of Brembo etc.. could be the components aren’t of better quality than that of the Japanese. On the surface the whole package appears to be higher end than a Japanese bike.
Yet KTM's have experienced quality issues...
““Best in the Bizzness…”
i think its not so much labour cost, but number of units produced in a run, its why the japanese dont do large model ranges any more,
CFMOTO has an assembly line where they assemble different models at the same time...
Japanese car companies started doing this many years ago, flexible manufacturing did away with economies of scale, it's all about maximizing manufacturing resources.
id say economies of scale come in more areas than just assembly,
also CF moto seems to make more limited range than KTM all ready,
It's taken time for manufacturers to realize similar parts could be made on the same CNC machines with no setup cost between parts, something some manufacturers still haven;t cottoned on to.
CFMOTO makes 38 different model bikes, mostly road bikes, compared to KTM's 58 different model bikes, mostly off road, half the volume, but growing, something KTM is currently not doing.
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There not going to sell many bikes. Fri report American cc dept is now 1.1 trillion the highest ever. Last 3 months it went up 23+ billion. Worst yet most people r defaulting on there cc,s. Banks then crash. I talked to my boss lastnight about rates etc. there is no freight , the west has the lowest volume and rates as low as .50 that’s to the co Not the driver. That’s all the western states. Tx. Is dead pay is above Cal. But not by much. The southeast is dead this means there’s no loads , pay 1.30 cpm. The northeast much higher but the 700-1000 a day tolls take that away. Most co.s r staying out .plus it tears equipment up & drivers burn out from fatigue . Wi. Is paying the highest short runs to the Midwest. Other upper Midwest states r paying the 2nd highest. This is because of the gnarly winter . Tariffs will hurt big time, drop the volume. But the 3 billion Ktm debt or whatever it is . Is small potatoes compared to 30-80’billion debt some trucking companies.s r in. There might not be a co to deliver a bike left. A lot of buyouts going on . When a trucking company buys another out . They take on there billions of debt. Rates crashed in Feb 2021 so did contracts. Now there debt is out of control . Some ceo ,s of trucking company.s hv a board of directors. They vote to give themselves 35 -150 mil bonuses plus a base of 17 mil . The rest of the board gets millions too . It’s all corruption , buddy deals , government kickbacks on 40 million visa workers since 08. Bringing in millions of illegals & the handouts the gov gave them . Blew everything up
Been reading your responses to this and other ktm threads for a few weeks now. Man just come out and say it already. You hate KTM and hope they fail. Show us on the doll where KTM touched you.
Next steps 2nd court hearing on January 24th then PMG Extraordinary General Assembly on January 27th.
EGA agenda is elections of supervisory board and issuing bonds enabling acquisition of new shares to increase capital. They are putting to vote the authorization to increase capital issuing shares for up to 900 million euros (50% of share capital). It could be Bajaj and/or other investors buying in to get PMG restructuring plan on the road, and then we shall see later what they intend to do with the racing program.
Sorry I'm really not fluent in finance speak so I'm paraphrasing here but you can find EGA invitation and related documents at https://www.pierermobility.com/en/investor-relations/general-meeting
Could anyone with knowledge in this explain in layman's terms the bit about exclusion of shareholders' subscription rights? It's well detailed in the document entitled "Report of the Executive Board on item 2 of the agenda". Is this a way to minimize dilution of actual shareholders' rights for them to retain more control ?
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