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My thought exactly. Employees not getting paid, vendors getting stiffed, stock price tanked. I can’t see how any race team budget doesn’t get slashed big time or flat out eliminated. They don’t have any money, credit lines are maxed out. The vultures are gonna move in unless someone throws them a lifeline.
It doesn’t matter what they do - win all day everyday- it doesn’t change the fact that people can’t afford toys right now.
Very true.
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I was at a dealer yesterday…the guy told me he was told by KTM that they will not be rolling out any new models until 2027…(so they will skip 2026 and 2027 model years) assuming they move all this inventory by then….but that it would otherwise be business as usual and they’ll restructure and come out stronger.
Take that for what you will…I have no evidence to back that up…
They could slap bold new graphics on existing stock and sell them as 2026 and 2027 models.
Would the Japanese run deep discounts on bikes to twist the knife on the ktm group even more? Or is ktm brand loyalty to strong?
Maybe on the 25’s, (for moto models)but the frame was new (or more accurately, revised) for 25. The buttload of 24’s still in inventory have the reputation of a crap frame no one wants. That reputation may be more perception and urban legend than reality, but it’s still the common perception. They’re going to have a hell of a time unloading 2024 models. Motosport Hillsboro has new 24 450s at something like 7499…lots of them.
One of the dealers here in Houston area had two new 2024 Husqvarna FC450’s for $5999 before taxes, fee’s, that’s a deal in our area.
Tanking the used market in the process. Bet I’d be lucky to get 3500 my 22 XC.
A lot has changed since that story was written a month ago. KTM is hemorrhaging cash. I hope they make it, but it looks pretty grim.
Vital 2023: Suzuki gotta stop releasing BNG every year. They are done.
Vital 2024: KTM’’s gotta BNG like Suzuki or they are done.
This will force all the manufacturers to drop prices until this stuff gets flushed through the dealers.
much of the bicycle industry has moved away from model years to mask fluctuations in supply. i believe santa cruz even repainted some very nice carbon frames for at least one 'model year'. could definitely see that happening here. honesty, some stability in spare parts reqs would benefit everybody. suspension has plateaued. motors are getting close. i think chassis design still has a way to go, but how far are we really from the class-leading 2008 yzf-R6 that stayed roughly the same for 10 years plus some electronics?
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Suzuki's business model not looking so bad right now.
Welcome to the beginning of the end. Guess what....average people can't afford $10-12K dirt bikes and all the shit that goes with them. Not to mention, the vast majority of people don't NEED all that is offered today. The industry did this to themselves
Who didn't see this coming?
Where's the file sale PMG? Those 300 SXs aren't going to sell themselves
No, realistically $2 million salary.
And for Darrin, there are a thing called sponsors (gives you wings).
Suzuki: This is the Way
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While PMG did likely make errors in production forecasting, my best guess is that the problems they had were not on the product side, but the finance side. Interest rates have gone up across the board and they may have not done a good job hedging their forex account vs. dollars. When dollars and interest rates spike as they have, this puts tremendous pressure on borrowers like PMG.
For those following the Tracks Closing threads, that is also likely one of the main culprits for lack of underwriters. The insurance companies have all taken huge losses on their bond portfolios with interest rates rising and so they have to clip their most unprofitable and risky lines and hike rates on everything that's left.
Long story short, the unprecedented 40 year credit expansion that has fueled so much false prosperity is over and its time to pay the bill.
Post pandemic inflation has caused the prices of EVERTHING (for the most part) to go up, world wide, leaving less disposable income for hobbies like MX. I don't blame that necessarily on the manufacturers... what do they have to with the prices of your groceries going up. And lets not forget, its 2024, and alot of 25-30 year old guys have a $1200 smart phone in their pocket, pay for various streaming subscriptions, have an expensive gaming system at home, expensive pick up truck, weekends drinking with the boys, Onlyfans subscriptions (LOL) that guys like me didn't have 25 years ago... many of those things just didn't exist. Everybody spends more money on more "things" these days, which makes it seem like there's less money left over for rather expensive hobbies like dirt bikes.
And if companies like Yamaha and Honda are still selling plenty of bikes, I doubt we will see them getting any cheaper, unless we stop buying them. KTM I think is something sort of unique... there problems are more than just a dip in sales of their bikes, their company seems like it was just mis-managed and a lof of critical errors were made coming out of the pandemic. KTM always seemed very aggressive to me, with everything they do, and they mis-calculated growth and sort of ignored quality control and customer service. The Japanese always seem much more conservative with everything they do, which probably makes coming out of a pandemic easier to deal with.
All the manufacturers have done it at some stage...
150k was for 1 month. I honestly have no clue what goes into financially supporting a factory team works. Yes I understand sponsorships. But I'm quite certain it still takes a shit ton of dough from the factory. Does everyone on this forum have to be a condescending know it all?
Read the latest financial report. PMG is paying something around 300 million per year for their racing efforts AFTER sponsorship income has been taken into account.
2025 budgets have already been paid and allocated, including Moto GP and all global racing efforts. The ones in Europe are ran from separate businesses and an amount is sent for the year along with all outside sponsors. This is why racing activities for 2025 are fine, but 2026 will be when the fallout it seen.
It’s done like this for tax reasons, as well as teams needing pre season testing covered.
Those deals have been here for a couple years again already. I bought my 22 Gasgas mc350 for 6750 out the door. There’s 2023 tc125s for 4999. Look around…
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I wonder what Triumph and Ducati Corporate are thinking....I believe they saw a prosperous market and thought we can get $10 - 14K for making a dirt bike ok we are in! Now what? KTM bikes will possibly be marked way down and I think Triumph and Ducati will have to be competitive in pricing, could kill them since they are new to the market. I think the Japanese brands can withstand price drops since they have been around a long time.
I think they are smoking Cuban's.
Paid and allocated means its sitting in a bank somewhere waiting to be spent. Doesn't guarantee it won't go back to the pot to pay off creditors.
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