Arizona cycle park affected by insurance

Geez stupidity in the pits the main issue look in the mirror bitches. 

Sports done at local amateur level and that will kill off the pro level too. Manufacturers, aftermarket companies, feld, ama, journalist don't seem to care much. Changes need to be made. There are rules for equine and agritourism that protect land owners from liability. Industry must figure out how to apply that to local tracks or its over. There is no time to waste.   

We're fucked.

I know that jackassery in the pits is a big thing with insurance companies right now, and I'm all for limiting pit vehicles, but I've never actually seen or heard of a lawsuit against a track for someone getting hurt in the pits. 

No one in the industry seems to care. Let’s run a bike or part test for a bike that no one can even ride because the tracks are closed. Or how about selling a magazine or running a forum for an audience that can’t ride anywhere? Maybe we’ll design some amazing new gear for no one to buy because they can’t use it.The people whose livelihoods depend on this sport appear to not care, heck one of them was cause of a track closure. 

Don't waste your breath, let's just focus on how Deegan or Tomac look like at the test track. That apparently sells bikes, ads, gear, parts; not people actually having a place to ride. 

1000%

It sure seems to me that'd it be pretty beneficial to have an organization like this that helps the industry give back and keep itself alive.

https://www.fishandwildlife.org/

But....that would mean the industry would have to care.....

I suppose they'll care once their bottom line really starts taking a hit as more and more people lose their riding spots.  I love to buy cool accessories for my dirt bike but don't have much reason to buy them if I don't have a spot to ride it.

Keep insuring tracks out of business and see what you get.  Think the Wheelie Boys are bad now, give it a few years.   

Our industry right now...

From what I understand the recent closure of Village Creek in DFW is the result of a kid that was with another kid and his parents, so no actual guardian of the kid that got injured signed the release form. The accident supposedly happened in the pits and not in the track. Lawyers and sue happy people are going to shut all of our tracks down if something doesn't change pretty quickly. Sad days ahead I'm afraid.

Omfg...

Our industry better step up and start helping before it's too late. No one will be buying bikes, parts, gear etc. If we have nowhere to ride. We (Americans) need major reform in our legal system. Not to get political, but I wonder if the incoming administration can/will address this.... Sweet, so down to one public track in AZ now. 

The AMA is completely useless.. Has been since the 80's. 

Looks like $100 dollar track fees are right around the corner 

It’s not even that rosy. I was told last year by a track up here that the number of insurance companies that would even consider insurance shrunk from 6 a couple years prior to 2. 

Those 2 were now sending spies to tracks they cover, looking for behavior and/or infrastructure/safety issues. They would then up rates or drop them. 

We need a loser-pays system and legislation making it the participants’ responsibility for their safety, not the track. Don’t like it, don’t ride.

Yes, Mr EKS goggles, I mean you, too…eat a bag of dicks for helping fuck over the industry that pays your bills.

Silly question, aren’t waivers supposed to protect the track owners from being sued for crap like this?

I no longer get the ama magazine as I’m a life member, so maybe they do, but do they have any articles on these track closings and insurance issues? MXSports- no comment from you? What are you going to milk when am racing is limited to those over 18? As mentioned above this should be item #1 for all OEMs, aftermarket business, parts/tires business and promoters. But as usual, crickets…

Loser pays is probably the way to go. It all started with that bitch that spilled McDonald’s coffee on herself

Yes and no. My understanding is that a few things limit waiver authority. Disclaimer: not a lawyer (thank goodness…)

1) You can sign away some of your rights, but not those of another. In other words, if you die, your (wife/kids/parents/business partners) can still sue since they didn’t sign anything.

2) You can sign a waiver, but your attorney can pick it apart by saying that the track did something so egregious that you wouldn’t have considered it at the time you signed, and therefore you didn’t sign with full knowledge of the risks.

3) Insurance companies (medical in this case) have rights you knowingly or unknowingly grant to them when you accept coverage. Should you become hospitalized with a really large bill, they can and do hold payment of said bill hostage until you disclose the track, etc. I believe their rights at this point trump your waiver signing.

Exactly. 

We should all take a moment to thank those selfless people like RT - saving our beloved sport, one track at a time.  

Ok thanks man. Just sucks that this is happening yet again. 

A question in this 

I know the ama provides insurance for races , do they peovide anything for poke practice days ? 

Yeah, someone with some power is going to have to lead this. We can all get behind them but this seems like a job that should be led by the ama. I pay for three yearly membership for just a handful of races that require ama membership as I'm sure a lot of you do as well.

They already have a leg in with the government.  People like mxsports needs to be right there behind them, field, and whoever else has a large presence. Like one of you said that's a whole lot of people out of work if no one can ride and the industry takes a shit.

 No kids riding/racing, not much of a future from there. Lawyers and greedy fuckers ( yes, some lawsuits are legit) are the reason for this shit, and the fucking insurance companies. What all could be said about them bitches!

Exactly what I was thinking, especially here in California where we can’t ride newer bikes on public land, because we can’t register them. Now we can’t ride our bikes on private land because no insurance company will cover it. The wheelie boyz were right the whole time. Wonder if Dunlop will make a street tire for us??

What I think needs to happen is the tracks need to come together form some kind of conglomerate with their own insurance.  The riders would have to part of this, perhaps an annual membership where they sign the waivers and understand the rules, that way they can ride at any track and be covered.    

The problem is going to be Insurance will say okay we will cover the tracks, but then they'll say but we will not cover medical expenses if you do (insert extreme sport); so then people will have to choose between medical insurance or racing. Bad deal all the way around, and like others have said will take some organization and pull. AMA, MXsports, Feld, Manufacturers have more reach with their brand and voice, so they need to step up. I know people on the local side are trying to do something, but it's going to be a huge mountain to climb with out industry help. 

If that's what it costs to run a track safely with insurance that's what it costs, and no one should expect to pay less.

I hope the expert witness and Daytona supercross winner got a nice payday for his deposition. Maybe he can do a traveling roadshow and speak on behalf of all these plaintiffs. Quite a nice gig after retiring.