Honda/Nissan, could it effect moto?

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KTM may just be a symptom if giants like Honda and Nissan have to possibly merge. How this impacts Honda motorcycles nobody knows. 

Honda, Nissan in talks to set up holding company, source says | Reuters

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12/18/2024 1:29pm

Nissan was in trouble. I think Honda is just in a good position to absorb them.

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One theory I have heard is that Honda was instructed to not let Nissan get sold to the Chinese/Indians.

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12/18/2024 5:01pm

I believe they are teaming up to combine EV forces. Think it will be similar to when Kawi/Suzuki joined up when 4 strokes came out to compete against Yamaha and Honda.

Note, I started a thread in Non-moto on this topic before I saw this thread. 

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12/18/2024 5:20pm
I believe they are teaming up to combine EV forces. Think it will be similar to when Kawi/Suzuki joined up when 4 strokes came out to...

I believe they are teaming up to combine EV forces. Think it will be similar to when Kawi/Suzuki joined up when 4 strokes came out to compete against Yamaha and Honda.

Note, I started a thread in Non-moto on this topic before I saw this thread. 

Honda had teamed up with GM on EV battery development, but GM recently announced they are pulling out of the Chinese market due to Chinese EVs taking over the Chinese domestic market, and GM not being able to compete.

The whole automotive market is under thread from Chinese EV's, even Tesla. Chinese EV manufacturers are developing at a faster pace than western companies EV's and at a lower cost, this is an existential thread to the entire western automotive industry.

Honda is looking to team up with Nissan and Mitsubishi, who are 25% owned by Nissan, to compete with Chinese manufacturers.

Unlikely it will have any effect on the moto market.

 

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12/18/2024 5:45pm
I believe they are teaming up to combine EV forces. Think it will be similar to when Kawi/Suzuki joined up when 4 strokes came out to...

I believe they are teaming up to combine EV forces. Think it will be similar to when Kawi/Suzuki joined up when 4 strokes came out to compete against Yamaha and Honda.

Note, I started a thread in Non-moto on this topic before I saw this thread. 

Honda had teamed up with GM on EV battery development, but GM recently announced they are pulling out of the Chinese market due to Chinese EVs...

Honda had teamed up with GM on EV battery development, but GM recently announced they are pulling out of the Chinese market due to Chinese EVs taking over the Chinese domestic market, and GM not being able to compete.

The whole automotive market is under thread from Chinese EV's, even Tesla. Chinese EV manufacturers are developing at a faster pace than western companies EV's and at a lower cost, this is an existential thread to the entire western automotive industry.

Honda is looking to team up with Nissan and Mitsubishi, who are 25% owned by Nissan, to compete with Chinese manufacturers.

Unlikely it will have any effect on the moto market.

 

Chinese EVs are very competitive. No wonder why GM pulled out and we have big tariffs on em...

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12/18/2024 5:53pm
I believe they are teaming up to combine EV forces. Think it will be similar to when Kawi/Suzuki joined up when 4 strokes came out to...

I believe they are teaming up to combine EV forces. Think it will be similar to when Kawi/Suzuki joined up when 4 strokes came out to compete against Yamaha and Honda.

Note, I started a thread in Non-moto on this topic before I saw this thread. 

Honda had teamed up with GM on EV battery development, but GM recently announced they are pulling out of the Chinese market due to Chinese EVs...

Honda had teamed up with GM on EV battery development, but GM recently announced they are pulling out of the Chinese market due to Chinese EVs taking over the Chinese domestic market, and GM not being able to compete.

The whole automotive market is under thread from Chinese EV's, even Tesla. Chinese EV manufacturers are developing at a faster pace than western companies EV's and at a lower cost, this is an existential thread to the entire western automotive industry.

Honda is looking to team up with Nissan and Mitsubishi, who are 25% owned by Nissan, to compete with Chinese manufacturers.

Unlikely it will have any effect on the moto market.

 

Chinese EVs are very competitive. No wonder why GM pulled out and we have big tariffs on em...

No tariffs on EVs in Australia, we don't manufacture cars here anymore, so nothing to protect, Tesla, GM and BYD sold here are all manufactured in China...

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12/18/2024 5:57pm
Honda had teamed up with GM on EV battery development, but GM recently announced they are pulling out of the Chinese market due to Chinese EVs...

Honda had teamed up with GM on EV battery development, but GM recently announced they are pulling out of the Chinese market due to Chinese EVs taking over the Chinese domestic market, and GM not being able to compete.

The whole automotive market is under thread from Chinese EV's, even Tesla. Chinese EV manufacturers are developing at a faster pace than western companies EV's and at a lower cost, this is an existential thread to the entire western automotive industry.

Honda is looking to team up with Nissan and Mitsubishi, who are 25% owned by Nissan, to compete with Chinese manufacturers.

Unlikely it will have any effect on the moto market.

 

Chinese EVs are very competitive. No wonder why GM pulled out and we have big tariffs on em...

No tariffs on EVs in Australia, we don't manufacture cars here anymore, so nothing to protect, Tesla, GM and BYD sold here are all manufactured in...

No tariffs on EVs in Australia, we don't manufacture cars here anymore, so nothing to protect, Tesla, GM and BYD sold here are all manufactured in China...

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Yep. I love my Model Y. I always wondered how the models differed being made in the US vs China 

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12/19/2024 12:20am

Chinese EVs are very competitive. No wonder why GM pulled out and we have big tariffs on em...

No tariffs on EVs in Australia, we don't manufacture cars here anymore, so nothing to protect, Tesla, GM and BYD sold here are all manufactured in...

No tariffs on EVs in Australia, we don't manufacture cars here anymore, so nothing to protect, Tesla, GM and BYD sold here are all manufactured in China...

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Yep. I love my Model Y. I always wondered how the models differed being made in the US vs China 

There's one major difference you may notice...

tesla-model-y-107-446604904.jpg?VersionId=IHqmQwZConLC3f58KwaG
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12/19/2024 1:40pm
No tariffs on EVs in Australia, we don't manufacture cars here anymore, so nothing to protect, Tesla, GM and BYD sold here are all manufactured in...

No tariffs on EVs in Australia, we don't manufacture cars here anymore, so nothing to protect, Tesla, GM and BYD sold here are all manufactured in China...

image 866

Yep. I love my Model Y. I always wondered how the models differed being made in the US vs China 

There's one major difference you may notice...

There's one major difference you may notice...

tesla-model-y-107-446604904.jpg?VersionId=IHqmQwZConLC3f58KwaG

Just a little bit

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There's one major difference you may notice...

There's one major difference you may notice...

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LOL

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There are something like 40 Chinese EV manufacturers. Most of them won't survive. I am curious if they have to meet crash test requirements in China or if it is as I expect a free for all.

12/20/2024 5:32am
wrc777 wrote:
There are something like 40 Chinese EV manufacturers. Most of them won't survive. I am curious if they have to meet crash test requirements in China...

There are something like 40 Chinese EV manufacturers. Most of them won't survive. I am curious if they have to meet crash test requirements in China or if it is as I expect a free for all.

China car manufacturers have to pass CATARC...

https://www.catarc.ac.cn/

crash tests, standards are modeled after the European standards.

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Honda had teamed up with GM on EV battery development, but GM recently announced they are pulling out of the Chinese market due to Chinese EVs...

Honda had teamed up with GM on EV battery development, but GM recently announced they are pulling out of the Chinese market due to Chinese EVs taking over the Chinese domestic market, and GM not being able to compete.

The whole automotive market is under thread from Chinese EV's, even Tesla. Chinese EV manufacturers are developing at a faster pace than western companies EV's and at a lower cost, this is an existential thread to the entire western automotive industry.

Honda is looking to team up with Nissan and Mitsubishi, who are 25% owned by Nissan, to compete with Chinese manufacturers.

Unlikely it will have any effect on the moto market.

 

Chinese EVs are very competitive. No wonder why GM pulled out and we have big tariffs on em...

No tariffs on EVs in Australia, we don't manufacture cars here anymore, so nothing to protect, Tesla, GM and BYD sold here are all manufactured in...

No tariffs on EVs in Australia, we don't manufacture cars here anymore, so nothing to protect, Tesla, GM and BYD sold here are all manufactured in China...

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FIGURES ARE ALL OFF

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12/20/2024 7:19am
wrc777 wrote:

One theory I have heard is that Honda was instructed to not let Nissan get sold to the Chinese/Indians.

My understanding is the Japanese government has a hand in putting this merger together. They don't want to lose Nissan and the Japanese jobs.

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12/20/2024 11:56am Edited Date/Time 12/20/2024 11:59am
There's one major difference you may notice...

There's one major difference you may notice...

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What dumbass puts the steering wheel on the woman’s side?

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There's one major difference you may notice...

There's one major difference you may notice...

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SEE ARE125 wrote:

What dumbass puts the steering wheel on the woman’s side?

A smart dude who realizes his wife needs to drive to the supermarket, so she can cook his dinner.

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There's one major difference you may notice...

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SEE ARE125 wrote:

What dumbass puts the steering wheel on the woman’s side?

Not our fault you guys aren’t coordinated enough to shift with your left hand.

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12/20/2024 5:15pm

The weak yen is not helping NISSAN. Should change their name back to Datsun. 

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There's one major difference you may notice...

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SEE ARE125 wrote:

What dumbass puts the steering wheel on the woman’s side?

Its for looks. Not like she is gonna use the damn thing.

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There's one major difference you may notice...

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SEE ARE125 wrote:

What dumbass puts the steering wheel on the woman’s side?

A smart dude who realizes his wife needs to drive to the supermarket, so she can cook his dinner.

A smart dude would realize a woman should not be allowed to drive or vote. Sandwich makers is their primary job. 👍🙃

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No tariffs on EVs in Australia, we don't manufacture cars here anymore, so nothing to protect, Tesla, GM and BYD sold here are all manufactured in...

No tariffs on EVs in Australia, we don't manufacture cars here anymore, so nothing to protect, Tesla, GM and BYD sold here are all manufactured in China...

image 866

Yep. I love my Model Y. I always wondered how the models differed being made in the US vs China 

There's one major difference you may notice...

There's one major difference you may notice...

tesla-model-y-107-446604904.jpg?VersionId=IHqmQwZConLC3f58KwaG

They mounted steering wheel on wrong side.

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12/21/2024 9:38am

Doesn't Renault have a stake in Nissan? Wonder how that plays into this. 

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12/21/2024 10:50am

Correct, Renault is looking to sell it's shares of the company. 

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12/28/2024 4:53am

Honda uses motorcycle racing to promote all its products and create brand awareness. I see no obstacles to a Nissan pickup sponsored SX/MX team. It might be a good fit, I think Datsun actually may have been a sponsor of SX or some of the races back in the day.

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12/28/2024 5:28am

Nissan shit the bed, Honda (and Jap government) see an opportunity. 

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Spoonguy wrote:
Honda uses motorcycle racing to promote all its products and create brand awareness. I see no obstacles to a Nissan pickup sponsored SX/MX team. It might...

Honda uses motorcycle racing to promote all its products and create brand awareness. I see no obstacles to a Nissan pickup sponsored SX/MX team. It might be a good fit, I think Datsun actually may have been a sponsor of SX or some of the races back in the day.

I recall they sponsored some USGP S at Carlsbad.

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12/28/2024 5:05pm

Nissan shit the bed, Honda (and Jap government) see an opportunity. 

In 1992 there was rumors of a hostile takeover of Honda by Mitsubishi, if Mitsubishi joins Nissan and Honda it may still happen.

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