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Yes, you need all depts. to be making money. Parts, service, F&I, sales. I did it for years. Motorcycles are cool, most people are cool, our sport is cool. The power sports business is not very cool. I don't miss it much.
Trust me I know about the RV's. My girlfriend and I are travel nurses and we spend large amounts of time in our RV! I had a 2010 toy hauler from racing and we bought a small RV (2006 class BT 26ft). Both these have been pretty solid. Take care of the roof and it takes care of you.
But the shit I have seen in the RV parks since covid, fuck those are shit!! I always tell those looking definitely nothing newer than early 2020.
Lots of those places with dedicated, long term employees had to find new career choices and then they RV guys trying to keep up with the covid demand with such a shitty worker force.
The bad thing is most of those people that bought those shitty RV's not only got junk they paid a premium and are so far upside down now they are stuck with them. Takes MONTHS to get warranty work done!! Kinda got off topic a little bit we still discussing buying American. I love to as much as the next guy. But I know if Kia had to pay people by the day so did Detroit and alike. Hell we have Kia 2 miles from Al line, Toyota's close to Talladega and Mercedes in Tuscaloosa. I been all over the country and I know that there are shitty workers everywhere. It ain't just a bad ga/Al problem. Buying good American stuff is as more of a problem than just getting American made stuff.
It embarrasses me as an American to sit here and describe how bad our people are. I know there are lots of guys from other countries sitting around laughing when we talking about American Made with such pride then here we are cutting down the American work force ( not every American is this way btw). But gotta call a spade a spade when ya see it!!
Do you think he is worth $400 billion because he has your interest in mind?
My dealer what I seeing is everything revolves around the profits from service. Mainly parts is a function of them and so is sales because it gives them something to service.
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KTM provide owner manuals, but unlike other manufacturers don't provide workshop manuals, encouraging customers to use their dealers for major repairs.
I have been buying new Kawasaki's since 1984 and none of them ever came with a service manual.
Service manuals on EBay are well worth the $35. I don’t trust a dealer regardless of the color of the bike. Not saying all dealers suck. Just most of em do. They get enough of my money during the buying process
They don’t come with a service manual. It is an optional order item. I have several Kawasaki factory manuals.
Workshop manuals are available through your local dealer or online from the manufacturer, unless it's a KTM, only owners manuals are available to customers.
Hmmm...Maybe this is regional? We have an incredible workforce.
For discussion - could the high cost of 4T repair finally have hit its inflection point. It has been discussed that the cost of 4T owner ship could ultimately kill the market. I propose that C19 brought in many first time buyers at low % financing that can simply drop 1-2K in motor repairs - these folks are dumping bikes prematurely at .50/$1 in fear of the rebuild expense- used market is saturated with deals too attractive to pass up - thus killing new bike sales… plausible?🤔
My dealership willing to print certain pages of the service manual for me but there is an option to buy it online just no printed version. Even my owner's manual was online not a big fan I'm old school like printed LOL
I’m sure you realize every bit of my post was sarcasm. Truth be told I think he’s a puppet.
Some of that for sure. I do still see people asking 8-9k for used kx450s while I can get a 24 from a dealer for under 7, so I still think there’s inventory that should hit the market.
Yes, I do!
He sees another opportunity for enrichment.
400 billion printed dollers and counting!! Merica!!
Yes, service and parts which is why I cannot understand how bad most dealers are with service process and stocking parts people actually buy. It all comes down to quality of people. They would be just fine without selling bikes if they got a margin share from the manufacturer and were "official" service centers" and delivery depots or something like that.
I still think you need a sales team to fit and sell a bike - said bike could be sourced from a regional OEM warehouse not the dealer. Of couse this kinda kills spontaneous/ impulsive purchases.
A local Specialized dealer here does this very thing. Has maybe 10 bikes on the floor. Tell them what you are interested in and they will have model delivered to the store to do the touchy/feely thing. If personal did not buy from them because of this model- I am an instant satisfaction kinda guy😎
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New manufacturing investment has been greater in southern states where land is cheaper, heating bills are lower and you don't have to deal with unions. These states also have, for the most part, lower test scores in school.
My 24 did
I worked at a kawasaki dealer for 10 years. The bikes came with owners manuals. The service manuals cost about $40 bucks.
Here you go. https://print.ktm.com/
They have pdf and printed repair manuals available for a cost. It may be cheaper to get the printed repair manual on ebay.
Here is an example from Kawi. https://www.kawasaki.com/en-us/owner-center/service-manuals/2025/KX252FSFNN
They want $117 for the repair manual.
This^^^^^^^^! It is shit like this that makes me think no wonder KTM are having a hard time. Wouldn't you think a manufacturer would just include something like this in the purchase of the product? Seems like a cheap ass move.
Tell that to the fellow that has been around for a hot 4 days claiming it was included with his bike.
lol.
My 2021 350 repair manual cost me $20 and can literally rebuild the whole bike and engine with it and its actually very well laid out and easy to follow it is 500 pages.
If you show me any manufacture that's handing a customer a 500 page repair manual with the bike id be surprised.
I haven't bought one since 2018, but all of my new Yamahas have come with a service manual.
A permanent price reduction on current models would be tough for them to pull off at the moment, since this would require them to come up with the scratch to credit back dealers for their existing inventory. If you’re talking about reducing the prices of future products, this won’t help them get out from under their existing inventory problem. If the future model bikes were less expensive, why would anyone buy a non-current model?
Service manual vs owner's manual. All bikes come with an owner's manual (KTM is digital). The owner's manual goes over the basics. Yamaha used to come with a pretty decent and complete manual but they changed to be like everyone else. The service manual is a separate charge nowadays.
As much as Id like to argue with some of that as this is home for me, There isn't a single lie you told there. My area of the country tends to compete for the worst in schools and bad eating habits (fat). But land is cheap, taxes are cheap, we pay very little in heating and we typically do not like unions. A well informed man.
We did once upon a time have more pride in our work ethic and craftsmanship. No longer true!!
Not permanent, but my dealer just sent me an email with a bunch of KTM/Husky/GG bikes about $3k discounted from msrp thru EOY, so clearly they are doing something to sell inventory and free up the related cash.
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