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I must have skipped school that day of school.
As someone who has been riding the surron/talarias around for a few months, electric does open up many places to ride. But for 11k, it’s hard not to just buy a surron ultra bee for half the price, and just upgrade it a little. If the dust bike was 6500-7 I could see it selling really well. But until then. A stark is cheaper, more power, bigger battery.
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I know 3 close friends (one is my son) who have ridden it and it is the real deal at 220 #'s.
Since we only live once (in this current incarnation) I've put my deposit on one! For me it is all about living my best life and having as much joy as I can.
I wonder who there suspension supplier is? They don’t say in the description. I’m not sure there compact.play bike design is such a good idea but it’s a cool looking bike.
$11K yikes (220lbs)
Hard to compete with the E-Ride Pro 3.0 for $5K (167lbs)
https://www.eridepros.com/pro-ss-3-0
The motor/ battery specs are similar but that’s kind of were it ends. Not saying 11k is justified for the dust but they seem to be in different categories.
The Dustmoto, Vark is no doubt interesting especially from an older guy like me, can vary HP etc. Problem is pricing, anit cheap and when the dust settles will they be around or go the way of Alta. Electric bikes are here to stay but which companies, will be some come and go if I had to guess.
Once they really catch and and develop the I think backyard mechanics will have all kinds of mods and 3d printable parts etc.
the RC world saw a huge revitalization once lithium battery tech became economical enough mass produce and the amount of pieces and parts that can be made at home is pretty cool. A lot of electric bikes I see like the e ride pro above look similar/rebranded so I imagine there is major crossover.
I probably saw the original thread back in 2023 but forgot about it. I got a email from MXA yesterday with the most recent Dust Moto press release, which I thought was odd, especially from them. Maybe their contact list was hacked?? Any how, I don't see how Dust sells many bikes at the price point they have chosen. It is essentially the same concept as Stark Varg but with less max HP and lack of HP adjustability. The pro's would be significantly less weight and quick swap batteries but don't see true moto heads being attracted. We'll see.
Sirris
American made, should count for something.
Sirrus. New suspension company with a ton of industry knowledge and experience. Josh Hill and many others are running them on Surron Ultra Bees now too.
https://ridesirris.com/
I am gonna take a chance again with pre-order...they've assured me that it won't be another Stark fuckery. Bike will be perfect for my ADK,NY woods and not attract attention.
TBH I think that's their main selling point because similar price to the Varg for a 40 hp bike is otherwise a bit of a tough sell. Hot swappable battery is sweet though.
Found lots of info here, they're also aiming to sell a few bikes to US army special forces, they could use that as a good marketing tool.
https://wefunder.com/dustmoto
Pit Row
Nice never heard of em. Have to give them a look.
I do like that you won’t have to upgrade it. To get a Surron up to this spec and make it more “bulletproof” you’d be spending the same or more after upgrades and you still have a frame that was never meant to handle those types of upgrades (the 85cc front suspension is particularly harsh on the frame). That being said, they will probably have a hard time selling this to the ebike crowd which is currently being dominated by younger kids who want to just do wheelies down their street.
With them having some sort of government contracts . Could they be the Tesla of Moto?
If they have big contracts to sell some sort of similar bike to the military and then they have a consumer version that uses aa lot of the R&D from the military bike and then maybe spec less expensive parts to in some areas , and have a consumer version.
A silent , quick , dirtbike would make a perfect tool for military stuff. While my brother was in the air force they had units with ATV's and dirtbikes. He had said they had some pro riders come out to teach them at some points. He was not a part of that , he was involved in durability testing at the time.
Surron/Talarias prices are changing. Some of Biden/Harris China Tariffs kicked in as of Sept 27th, 2024. Pay attention to the dates the administration is phasing in the already approved tariffs.
https://www.whitecase.com/insight-alert/united-states-finalizes-section-301-tariff-increases-imports-china
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/05/14…
From the same website, their own projections for military sales are quite modest (maybe 200 a year, 1% of sales?).
There is certainly a niche military use for these bikes (special forces for instance) but I feel it will be more useful for marketing purposes than directly increasing sales volume.
Yeah Josh Hill is quite complimentary of Sirris suspensions. He liked the Dust as well btw.
I wonder how much each one of those military bikes will be?
With their projected numbers the average price per bike is under $10K If they are selling $10K bikes to the military than yah its maybe good for marketing. I was thinking that if they had a more specific military version that would have a much higher price if it was a true vehicle developed for the military.
There was a company in Maine that was a big local company that built one off or sometimes a few at a time vehicles for the military. They built the ripsaw high speed tank. They did more prototype style vehicles at very low volumes. The owners are retired now after selling to Textron.
It sounds more like its something like the KLR's they had back when my brother was serving. Nothing really special about the bikes.
10x what they normally sell for, that's how government contracts work.
Pulp had a podcast with a former pro that did that. I’m racking my brain for who it was. Could of been Lammy.
I think Rick Johnson might have been one of them that I heard them talk about on pulp. My brother was in New Mexico and still lives out there. He knew some of the guys that went through the program. He said it wasn't as fun as it sounded. I can't remember why, but he said it was very structured and there was only a few hours or a day, that You could just play ride during the program. I could be way off on that . He told me about it so long ago. He was really into computers very early on ,and never really told me exactly what he did. Other than he was testing all kinds of stuff. Like just about anything that was used in the Air Force.
Alta was working on a hybrid motorcycle for the military before they went under, able to run on fuel for range but also able to run on battery when you put it in incognito mode.
https://atvillustrated.com/content/silenthawk-hybrid-electric-military-…
that very well could have been it.
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