Added incentive they get a discount racing with a Pro Circiut pipe, give them product discounts, organize team events for the fans, etc.
same idea with FMF LACR Raceway, O’Neal Raceway? These local motocross companies need to find a way (title sponsorship just like FOX Pala Racway) or pay a local track tax (helps with the cost of the insurance and other expenses to the local Motocross tracks owners.) The people running these tracks aren't doing this for the money (small number profit) they’re doing it for the love of the sport. Southern California had the largest motocross community in the world back in the 70’s 80’s let’s get back to our roots…. If there’s nowhere to ride or race there’s no need for aftermarket products!
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So then if they get sued they lose the track and their business? I don't think so.
Would be a different LLC with naming rights sold or leased to the known brand
The sponsorship thought is cool but I don't think it would save local tracks with litigation against them.
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Maybe an industry donations to pay insurance if LACR can even get it? How hard would it be to come up with $25,000 a year? I just pulled that number out of my ass but think of just the major brands that could contribute. It shouldn't be that tough.
They were quoted $160k for the year for the cheapest policy they could find.
Pro Circuit and others can use marketing $ where they will get the best return. If they felt a track would be the best place to advertise, I am sure they would, but the reality is they would be advertising to the same few hundred riders week after week. Insurance is a big part, but the cost of fuel, equipment, and labor are every bit as large......and many of those posting here about "save the tracks" are the same guys complaining about practice fees or race entry fees. SoCal has always been a moto mecca, but with costs in CA rising faster than anywhere, that is disappearing and will continue to do so.
Sell some season passes or punch cards to raise some quick cash. The hard part about that is likely the firdt payment which might be 25% or so
160k what is that -
$15-20 per entry in ins? Avg 250 entries a week? Be transparent and add an ins surcharge?
Hate to say it but Cooksey had a great idea where the manufacturers and dealers work with local tracks. Buy this kawi 450 and you can ride for a month free at Pala. The manufacturer should help foot the bill if there is no tracks then bike sales would go down.
It’s seems like some deep pocket OEMs could help foot the bill or incentive this. Sure it’s full of red tape but the industry has some Smart folks around. Hope some out of the box thinking starts to keep our sport rolling in this lovely state we are in. Has to be an avenue to make everyone happy. Cheers
Anyone have any historical data on what tracks are charging for daily rates + entry fees?
Where i'm at, the cost per rider has gone from around $20 -> $30 over 20 years.
Compared with skiing, golf, etc, wonder what Moto has raised prices vs those sports.
I just checked Gov of Canada inflation calculator and $20 in 2002 = $31.98 today, so maybe my theory is wrong.
Can someone please explain why insurance is required? Waiver of liability should cover it no?
When they have insurance it doesn’t help anyways as we have seen lately. I’ve never understood mx track insurance.
Insurance is required because waivers don't really do anything as seen in the original thread. Even if you have a BS claim, a lawsuit is easily six figures to defend which insurance also helps with.
I would like to see a combination of assistance to local tracks and riding clubs from OEMs, aftermarket companies, and the top riders.
Instead of blowing your purse winnings on a new Ferrari or supercar, why not help give back to the community and help local track with the funds or buy some land to build a track for the sport?
OEMs and the other aftermarket companies could help financially or partner with the top pro riders to help offset costs of opening a track, helping a track, ect.
I’d be willing to bet that unless you hold a national or operate on family dirt - you can’t make an MX track pencil out in most states. Aside from ins try keeping heavy equipment operational these days. Unfortunately I see a world where the professional athletes are trained exclusively at private facilities and public tracks slowly fade.
Waivers should be the end all be all document. We know what we are about to be exposed to the second we load up our vehicles and purposely drive to a facility with unknown terrain that ebbs and flows from the first bit of roost thrown. We then purposely suit up, mount our steeds and navigate the unknown lap after lap and pucker after pucker. Absolutely no one forces us to do anything and we have our own conscious to pull off if we feel something, someone or ourselves is “unsafe”. Not sure how any of that falls under the “track owners” liability and can be proven otherwise. Dozer on the track, spectators on the track, different story but hose cases should be few and far between.
Completely agree.
At Thundercross when they owned it, they had signage stating you could be injured in the parking lot and to enter at your own risk lol😂
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Ridiculous take. This would only work if the AMA owned/operated tracks which is also a pipe dream. You're expecting Tomac to donate to Chicken Licks raceway so little Billy can ride his 50 and the owner can mismanage the facility? How much of that would go to the salary of the owner? Who manages the funding from Honda Corporation to Millville? Moto Tracks are just like a coffee shop.....some do it well and some don't. All the National tracks have managed to stay afloat forever with the exception of Budds that almost went away, but back in the game. Numerous other tracks across the country have managed to stay in business without Roczen writing them a check. I stand by what I said about SoCal. It's been a slowly dying "mecca" because of rising costs, insurance, and terrible politics that have done everything they can to take away anything fun, including moto.
Does Lebron pay for the Crypto Arena? Nope? And don't tell me the NBA is different, Plenty of franchises have failed, relocated, or sold.
OEMs are spending millions on pro racers that just complain about the bike and then switch brands a few times in their career. It's a waste of money. If pro racing died tomorrow but I new my local track had the support to never close I would be happy
Yes, because little Billy gets addicted to mx at chickenlick raceway and actually spends maybe 100k over his lifetime on Yamahas and another 200$ a month to chickenlick raceway.
If Chickenlick raceway closes down Billy will probably spend money on video games, internet porn and Metformin since he rarely get physically activity.
Those pro racers have proven to be valuable marketing, not to mention research and development. Handing cash to a small business owner they have no control over in the middle of Ohio will have zero ROI
What makes you think that? Bike sales must be up since all the local tracks are closing
I can't even justify a response to this bro. Happy Thanksgiving
My Wife is a broker at the top of the company and her company is the biggest insurance wholesale in USA , maybe in world. They have markets even in Europe , and she knows probably all the best markets in insurance and lots of underwriters what owes her favors , And she would done it probably for free for LACR just that we can ride .Definitely not guaranteed but their best bet for sure. She offered help to them but unfortunately they never got back to her so we back off.
So you are OK accepting liability, when the track owner drives a bobcat onto the down side of a double, while you are mid air.
Comprehension is king.
Read my last sentence.
End of the day at this point for Socal, any idea is worth debating/discussing. Whats currently trending is not good. incentives, club tracks, membership tracks, OEM support etc. Be cool to hear/read a podcast or interview with the operators of LEMX and LACR to get the real take. Im sure some cant be stated if in fact law suits are pending but we could get the idea. Happy Thanksgiving, Cheers
In most states you can only ask people to waive their claims up to ordinary negligence, nothing more. So Plaintiffs bring these lawsuits and first attack the validity of the waiver, and if the waiver holds up (many don't) then they argue the actions of the track rise to a level of gross negligence so the waiver doesn't apply. All that litigating is expensive, even if the track ultimately wins. If not for insurance even failed lawsuits could bring down a track.
It doesn't help track owners/operators that they are held to a higher standard. In our sport if someone fucks up someone can die, so they are expected to be more vigilant. Mistakenly allowing a lawn mover on to a live golf course his little risk, but allowing heavy equipment on to a live motocross track has potentially deadly consequences.
This seems real simple to me. If the tracks were making enough money, they would stay open. The insurance companies would be able to charge what they need to be able to make a profit and the tracks could afford to pay it. I pay sometimes $300 to ride my super bike at VIR for the day. I would pay a lot more than that if it was my only option.
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