How does Haiden Deegan compare after his first two years on the 250

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11/26/2024 8:09am
ando wrote:
Not sure if this has been done but here are some stats on how Deegan stacks up against the best riders of the modern era after...

Not sure if this has been done but here are some stats on how Deegan stacks up against the best riders of the modern era after his first two years on a 250.  I added the championship results to look ahead how the other riders continued past their first two seasons.

250SX:

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250MX:

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EDIT:

Adjusted the MX championship section for Lawrence and Dungey, as they only raced a couple of races in their first year.  The table now shows results from each rider's first full season onwards.

Translation: Zero titles. 

Zip, Nada, Zero. 

Please remember we are talking about 8 race regional championships. 

 

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11/26/2024 8:11am

Jett did NOT have 6 wins in his first 2 SX seasons... He had 3, same as Deegan. Can't take the rest of this list seriously..

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11/26/2024 8:19am
Rosso391 wrote:

Jett did NOT have 6 wins in his first 2 SX seasons... He had 3, same as Deegan. Can't take the rest of this list seriously..

I thought maybe he counted triple crown wins but it turns out they didn't run triple crowns in 2021, I did get this hilarious AI result when googling, we're all doomed with this AI bs.

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11/26/2024 8:24am Edited Date/Time 11/26/2024 8:56am
Rosso391 wrote:

Jett did NOT have 6 wins in his first 2 SX seasons... He had 3, same as Deegan. Can't take the rest of this list seriously..

early wrote:
I thought maybe he counted triple crown wins but it turns out they didn't run triple crowns in 2021, I did get this hilarious AI result...

I thought maybe he counted triple crown wins but it turns out they didn't run triple crowns in 2021, I did get this hilarious AI result when googling, we're all doomed with this AI bs.

Screenshot 20241126 111812 Chrome

Well if that's how we're going to count triple crown wins...Then Tomac has about 10 more wins...

Edit: Tomac did in fact have 10 extra moto wins that don't overlap his current record.

 

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Impressive stats. Impressive riders.

Tougher crowd to impress.

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11/26/2024 10:52am
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Hard to overlook how good ‘Poto was too.

He's my 250f GOAT. Bubba for 125's. RV split a lot of the overalls with Townley in '07. RV in '08 was complete domination. He won...

He's my 250f GOAT. Bubba for 125's. RV split a lot of the overalls with Townley in '07. RV in '08 was complete domination. He won 7 Nationals in a row. I'd have to check but I'd wager most of those were 1-1, too

James on a 125, and RV on a 250 are the fastest two I've ever seen.  Never got to see herlings on a 250 in person.

 

The RV Townley battle pushed 250f speed to a new level.

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11/26/2024 12:31pm

If you are going by James first 24 outdoor races he won 22 out of 24. He lost to Chad Reed at Highpoint and Danny Smith at Southwick in 2002. He missed the first 4 races of 2003 due to injury and won the rest. If you add the first 4 of 2004 to equal 24 races he won all those.

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11/26/2024 12:34pm

I'm pretty sure his bike blew up at Southwick.

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11/26/2024 1:33pm
Rosso391 wrote:

Jett did NOT have 6 wins in his first 2 SX seasons... He had 3, same as Deegan. Can't take the rest of this list seriously..

First table is the their first 19 starts, same as Deegan has had.  Jett missed three races in his first season (2020) and had six starts with zero wins.  2021 he raced all nine rounds for three wins.   In 2022 he won three of the first four rounds.  So six wins from 19 starts.

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11/26/2024 1:38pm
Denn700 wrote:
If you are going by James first 24 outdoor races he won 22 out of 24. He lost to Chad Reed at Highpoint and Danny Smith...

If you are going by James first 24 outdoor races he won 22 out of 24. He lost to Chad Reed at Highpoint and Danny Smith at Southwick in 2002. He missed the first 4 races of 2003 due to injury and won the rest. If you add the first 4 of 2004 to equal 24 races he won all those.

James only raced 7 rounds in 2003, missing 5.  Red Bud 2004 was his 24th start; he only got 7th that round.

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11/26/2024 2:14pm
Denn700 wrote:
If you are going by James first 24 outdoor races he won 22 out of 24. He lost to Chad Reed at Highpoint and Danny Smith...

If you are going by James first 24 outdoor races he won 22 out of 24. He lost to Chad Reed at Highpoint and Danny Smith at Southwick in 2002. He missed the first 4 races of 2003 due to injury and won the rest. If you add the first 4 of 2004 to equal 24 races he won all those.

ando wrote:

James only raced 7 rounds in 2003, missing 5.  Red Bud 2004 was his 24th start; he only got 7th that round.

He missed 4. Troy was cancelled that year. You’re really not great at having accurate information for a know-it-all.

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11/26/2024 2:32pm
Denn700 wrote:
If you are going by James first 24 outdoor races he won 22 out of 24. He lost to Chad Reed at Highpoint and Danny Smith...

If you are going by James first 24 outdoor races he won 22 out of 24. He lost to Chad Reed at Highpoint and Danny Smith at Southwick in 2002. He missed the first 4 races of 2003 due to injury and won the rest. If you add the first 4 of 2004 to equal 24 races he won all those.

ando wrote:

James only raced 7 rounds in 2003, missing 5.  Red Bud 2004 was his 24th start; he only got 7th that round.

JTno$ wrote:

He missed 4. Troy was cancelled that year. You’re really not great at having accurate information for a know-it-all.

Either way he only raced 7 in 2003 so his 24th start includes Red Bud 2004 which was the fifth race of the year.

 

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11/26/2024 2:46pm
Rosso391 wrote:

Jett did NOT have 6 wins in his first 2 SX seasons... He had 3, same as Deegan. Can't take the rest of this list seriously..

Where does it say he has 6 wins in his first 2 SX seasons? 

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11/26/2024 7:35pm

He has done great the last 2 years but I still feel he overrides the bike

I agree, l love watching him ride because he sends it. However that might bite him  on a 450. 

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11/26/2024 10:24pm Edited Date/Time 11/26/2024 10:25pm

He’s our only hope against Jett… time will tell.

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I don't know about only hope, but he should make things a lot more interesting.

I can agree with you. Our “Only hope”  is a bit exaggerated.

If Sexton finds something with the bike(or finds another bike) he could close the gap some. As for beating Jett on a consistent bases, who really knows.… can’t see it tbh. Unless other riders get better or Jett gets worse. 
We’ve sorta seen what Sexton can do for the most part- Deegan is still TBD.

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11/27/2024 12:45am

24 mx starts, 21 wins for James. 🤣 

Haha! As I was zoomed in glancing across thinking oh wow roczen did well. Pan over to Stewart’s 21 wins 😂👌🏼

11/27/2024 6:23am

Gotta love when the Jett fanboys pad his stats when the dude missed multiple races his first sx season... Not even comparing the same time frame. "But its based off 19 starts"....And you did that because then you don't have to count all the races he missed. You are the same guys who say, "Being healthy is part of the championship".

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11/27/2024 9:13am
Rosso391 wrote:
Gotta love when the Jett fanboys pad his stats when the dude missed multiple races his first sx season... Not even comparing the same time frame...

Gotta love when the Jett fanboys pad his stats when the dude missed multiple races his first sx season... Not even comparing the same time frame. "But its based off 19 starts"....And you did that because then you don't have to count all the races he missed. You are the same guys who say, "Being healthy is part of the championship".

That would be reflected in his tenth place in his first SX season and the fact that he is the only one in the list to do four years of 250SX.

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11/27/2024 11:40am

He’s our only hope against Jett… time will tell.

Sully wrote:

I don't know about only hope, but he should make things a lot more interesting.

I can agree with you. Our “Only hope”  is a bit exaggerated.If Sexton finds something with the bike(or finds another bike) he could close the gap...

I can agree with you. Our “Only hope”  is a bit exaggerated.

If Sexton finds something with the bike(or finds another bike) he could close the gap some. As for beating Jett on a consistent bases, who really knows.… can’t see it tbh. Unless other riders get better or Jett gets worse. 
We’ve sorta seen what Sexton can do for the most part- Deegan is still TBD.

Jett gets worse lol. He's only going to get better. And Chase is my guy. It's just reality 

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11/27/2024 11:41am
Rosso391 wrote:
Gotta love when the Jett fanboys pad his stats when the dude missed multiple races his first sx season... Not even comparing the same time frame...

Gotta love when the Jett fanboys pad his stats when the dude missed multiple races his first sx season... Not even comparing the same time frame. "But its based off 19 starts"....And you did that because then you don't have to count all the races he missed. You are the same guys who say, "Being healthy is part of the championship".

This next decade is going to be rough on you

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11/27/2024 1:10pm
Rosso391 wrote:
Gotta love when the Jett fanboys pad his stats when the dude missed multiple races his first sx season... Not even comparing the same time frame...

Gotta love when the Jett fanboys pad his stats when the dude missed multiple races his first sx season... Not even comparing the same time frame. "But its based off 19 starts"....And you did that because then you don't have to count all the races he missed. You are the same guys who say, "Being healthy is part of the championship".

They didn't have the same amount of rounds in 2020 as they did in 2024. So comparing 2 seasons would also be unfair because Deegan had more races in his 2 seasons...

I guess you can compare percentages.
Deegan: 19 races in 2 seasons, 3 wins, 16% wins
Jett: 15 races in 2 seasons, 3 wins, 20% wins
Maybe you like these stats better. lol

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