HD and El Hombre black listed?

11/20/2024 1:24pm Edited Date/Time 11/20/2024 1:27pm
Steve Matthes@pulpmx·18h He's not banned from racing..he's free to sign up and go race. Let's get that straight, what he's not going to...
He's not banned from racing..he's free to sign up and go race. Let's get that straight, what he's not going to do is get any start money from promoters.
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If the promoter offered him money to race and then withdrew it at the request of the Lawrence camp, that is the issue. "Free to sign...

If the promoter offered him money to race and then withdrew it at the request of the Lawrence camp, that is the issue. "Free to sign up" is fairly empty and probably applies to alot of eligible privateers. It feels like Steve was talking around the real issue - understandably for media trying to walk a tightrope between being a "pander-bear" and pissing people off for sensationalism (like Cooksey). 

Why would the promoter offer Deegan a substantial amount of money when the Lawrence boys alone are a big enough draw card to sell the event out? They would be making less money in doing so. You dont spend more to earn less. Hell having Webb also is overkill already ,


Theres not much money in Australian sports. If the Lawrence boys had any impact on Deegan getting paid. It could be a case of we cant pay you to race because all our money has gone to Jett and Hunter. No way its we cant pay you because Jett and Hunter said so. 


Though I just cant see any situation where Deegan was going to fly to Australia for a single race regardless of the pay. Why would he jeopardise his Supercross prep for 2025 to race a bunch of nobodies overseas? If proving himself at MX Des Nations wasnt worth going overseas to race. He was never going to be racing in Australia.

If the Lawrence boys had wronged him financially in anyway he would call them out. Like Anderson he stirred the pot a bit. But he hasnt said anything about them. Only one who has is Cooksey and Deegans mechanic eho said he was spot on. Except theres a conflicting story that Anderson was never going. And Deegsn is free to ride if he wants. Just wont get paid for it. Which means Cooksey is not even close to spot on if that’s true.


Deegans mechanic has been known to bend the truth to twist the narrative before. Cooksey talks some serious shit. Or gets bad information/ puts his spin on it. 

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DonM wrote:
Apparently part of the deal with the Lawrence's to do AusX was that the promoters couldn't  bring in Deegan and Anderson to do the race....beginning to...

Apparently part of the deal with the Lawrence's to do AusX was that the promoters couldn't  bring in Deegan and Anderson to do the race....beginning to think that Mirtl is a little bitch...if this is true, and it appears that it is, this is not a good look for Team Lawrence....

I'm going to guess that it's a risk/reward factor.

Haiden and El Hombre will race hard.  That's not a bad thing at all.

But, the risk of getting injured for a one off event, and missing A1 is greater with those two racing.

If the conditions for the Lawrences doing AusX excluded Deegan and Anderson, I'd hope and expect that Freise wasn't invited to the party either.

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11/20/2024 1:34pm
LungButter wrote:

Agreed, it's almost as cringey as the whiney old men that are pissed off every time Deegan breathes.

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The Irony. 

What…? 🤣

Old Men…around here? Where? 

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11/20/2024 1:36pm

I actually kind of get it. Imagine it’s just a one of race that doesn’t mean anything. Your focused on supercross. Then HD and A line up with an opportunity to take out a Lawrence to try to prove some weird point at a race that doesn’t matter. 
HD and A would be going hard out with a chip on their shoulder. Jett and Hunter would just be cruising around staying healthy and meeting fans. 

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11/20/2024 1:38pm
Joel Spoor wrote:
I actually kind of get it. Imagine it’s just a one of race that doesn’t mean anything. Your focused on supercross. Then HD and A line...

I actually kind of get it. Imagine it’s just a one of race that doesn’t mean anything. Your focused on supercross. Then HD and A line up with an opportunity to take out a Lawrence to try to prove some weird point at a race that doesn’t matter. 
HD and A would be going hard out with a chip on their shoulder. Jett and Hunter would just be cruising around staying healthy and meeting fans. 

Deegan wouldn't/doesn't even race in their class anyway.

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11/20/2024 1:38pm Edited Date/Time 11/20/2024 1:39pm

Oh and you can’t call them bitches when they have been fucking your champs since the moment they arrived 😂 

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11/20/2024 1:39pm
Joel Spoor wrote:
I actually kind of get it. Imagine it’s just a one of race that doesn’t mean anything. Your focused on supercross. Then HD and A line...

I actually kind of get it. Imagine it’s just a one of race that doesn’t mean anything. Your focused on supercross. Then HD and A line up with an opportunity to take out a Lawrence to try to prove some weird point at a race that doesn’t matter. 
HD and A would be going hard out with a chip on their shoulder. Jett and Hunter would just be cruising around staying healthy and meeting fans. 

Deegan wouldn't/doesn't even race in their class anyway.

He actually could for a one of.. that covers off the possibility right? Or am I wrong? 

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11/20/2024 1:48pm
Joel Spoor wrote:

He actually could for a one of.. that covers off the possibility right? Or am I wrong? 

It wouldn't make sense though, but yes, that covers the possibility.

11/20/2024 1:56pm
All I know is very early in Jett’s career, I decided that I just can’t stand him or his brother. Since then, they’ve only fanned the...

All I know is very early in Jett’s career, I decided that I just can’t stand him or his brother. Since then, they’ve only fanned the flames of my hatred. I know there’s plenty out there like me that smile when they see Jett hit the dirt and lose, or watch Hunter struggle to pass Aranda, like they did in Paris.

This story is hardly a surprise. They love to try to control the narrative, and it’s not even a debate who the biggest star of the event would be if 38 showed up.

 

“The worst form of madness is to hate someone who doesn’t even know you exist.” 

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I haven't read the entire thread but if this is true Deegs can't really do anything on the track next year but if I was Anderson, I'd be breaking a leg at A1. 

I'm not picking sides but if you take money out of my wallet, I'm taking money out of yours. 

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11/20/2024 2:12pm

So Deegz will leave the country if there's start money in it for him. Just not to represent his county. Yes, yes, I know the major surgery he had to have done! If the Lawrence's fucked with his money it's pretty weak. But also hilarious because that's the only thing that will get him to leave the confines of the US

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11/20/2024 2:12pm
McG194 wrote:
I haven't read the entire thread but if this is true Deegs can't really do anything on the track next year but if I was Anderson...

I haven't read the entire thread but if this is true Deegs can't really do anything on the track next year but if I was Anderson, I'd be breaking a leg at A1. 

I'm not picking sides but if you take money out of my wallet, I'm taking money out of yours. 

Maybe you should start with reading the whole thread then before you write something like this.

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Steve Matthes@pulpmx·18h He's not banned from racing..he's free to sign up and go race. Let's get that straight, what he's not going to...
He's not banned from racing..he's free to sign up and go race. Let's get that straight, what he's not going to do is get any start money from promoters.

He also strongly implied the Lawrence's were behind it.  You left that tweet out. 

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11/20/2024 2:27pm
CPR wrote:
So after 9 pages we’ve got:Deegan never intended to race the AusX Open. Ando never intended to race the AusX Open. The AusX Open promoters never asked Deegan...

So after 9 pages we’ve got:

Deegan never intended to race the AusX Open. 
Ando never intended to race the AusX Open. 
The AusX Open promoters never asked Deegan or Ando to attend. 
The Lawrence camp may, or may not, have said they didn’t want Deegan or Ando at the AusX Open. 

Much ado about nothing. Is it A1 time yet?

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McG194 wrote:
I haven't read the entire thread but if this is true Deegs can't really do anything on the track next year but if I was Anderson...

I haven't read the entire thread but if this is true Deegs can't really do anything on the track next year but if I was Anderson, I'd be breaking a leg at A1. 

I'm not picking sides but if you take money out of my wallet, I'm taking money out of yours. 

Tumic wrote:

Maybe you should start with reading the whole thread then before you write something like this.

How does anyone else's opinion change my opinion. Maybe you are that week minded, I'm not. 

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11/20/2024 2:37pm
McG194 wrote:
I haven't read the entire thread but if this is true Deegs can't really do anything on the track next year but if I was Anderson...

I haven't read the entire thread but if this is true Deegs can't really do anything on the track next year but if I was Anderson, I'd be breaking a leg at A1. 

I'm not picking sides but if you take money out of my wallet, I'm taking money out of yours. 

Tumic wrote:

Maybe you should start with reading the whole thread then before you write something like this.

McG194 wrote:

How does anyone else's opinion change my opinion. Maybe you are that week minded, I'm not. 

If you think the possibility of your opinion changing as you expose yourself to other opinions and information is a bad thing that should be avoided, you might be much more weak minded than you realize. 

Very curious how you've ever learned anything in life with this approach? 

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McG194 wrote:

How does anyone else's opinion change my opinion. Maybe you are that week minded, I'm not. 

You call me week minded but you can’t manage to read a couple of pages where you could have found information that made your post look pretty stupid.

 

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11/20/2024 2:48pm
DonM wrote:
Apparently part of the deal with the Lawrence's to do AusX was that the promoters couldn't  bring in Deegan and Anderson to do the race....beginning to...

Apparently part of the deal with the Lawrence's to do AusX was that the promoters couldn't  bring in Deegan and Anderson to do the race....beginning to think that Mirtl is a little bitch...if this is true, and it appears that it is, this is not a good look for Team Lawrence....

Farmer J wrote:
Man surprised you dont think this is hearsay and more "kooksey" garbage.  Just kidding since it goes against your agenda to take your feelings out of...

Man surprised you dont think this is hearsay and more "kooksey" garbage.  Just kidding since it goes against your agenda to take your feelings out of it for deegan. So how does this appear to be true when cooksey never posts anything true? Come on Don take your feelings out of it. Lmfao 

DonM wrote:

I didn't hear it from the Kook....Matthes was talking about it all day yesterday....

Wow that's crazy I must of missed matthes talking about Anderson. Can you link the article interview where be talks about Anderson being banned? 

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11/20/2024 2:53pm

10 pages? Wow. Must be the off season.

So, what time does Deegan race? 

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TeamGreen wrote:

10 pages? Wow. Must be the off season.

So, what time does Deegan race? 

From what I hear he still needs to sign up. That's the conundrum that got us to 10 pages. Will he? Won't he? The cool kids disinvited him from the party. 

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KurtJ99 wrote:
From what I hear he still needs to sign up. That's the conundrum that got us to 10 pages. Will he? Won't he? The cool kids...

From what I hear he still needs to sign up. That's the conundrum that got us to 10 pages. Will he? Won't he? The cool kids disinvited him from the party. 

Whats your source that said he hasn't signed up.

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McG194 wrote:

How does anyone else's opinion change my opinion. Maybe you are that week minded, I'm not. 

Tumic wrote:
You call me week minded but you can’t manage to read a couple of pages where you could have found information that made your post look...

You call me week minded but you can’t manage to read a couple of pages where you could have found information that made your post look pretty stupid.

 

Perhaps you missed the part where I said: "If this is true." 

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TeamGreen wrote:

10 pages? Wow. Must be the off season.

So, what time does Deegan race? 

When the Lawrences say so.

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TeamGreen wrote:

10 pages? Wow. Must be the off season.

So, what time does Deegan race? 

Haven't you heard....he's not allowed to race.

 

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11/20/2024 3:38pm
Steve Matthes@pulpmx·18h He's not banned from racing..he's free to sign up and go race. Let's get that straight, what he's not going to...
He's not banned from racing..he's free to sign up and go race. Let's get that straight, what he's not going to do is get any start money from promoters.
971_Fan wrote:

He also strongly implied the Lawrence's were behind it.  You left that tweet out. 

This one? Steve Matthes@pulpmx 22h

Yeah I mean, it's a negotiation right? You can ask for whatever u want & they other side agrees or not..IMO it's whatever. Who cares? Good "agenting" I suppose.
 
I didn't find an X where he "strongly implied", but that's not to say it's not there. Just enjoying watching the fur fly and hoping it comes out in the wash without turning into a hatefest. Not what the sport needs.
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11/20/2024 3:49pm
CPR wrote:
So after 9 pages we’ve got:Deegan never intended to race the AusX Open. Ando never intended to race the AusX Open. The AusX Open promoters never asked Deegan...

So after 9 pages we’ve got:

Deegan never intended to race the AusX Open. 
Ando never intended to race the AusX Open. 
The AusX Open promoters never asked Deegan or Ando to attend. 
The Lawrence camp may, or may not, have said they didn’t want Deegan or Ando at the AusX Open. 

Much ado about nothing. Is it A1 time yet?

Magoofan wrote:

Vital needs something to hate/argue about until there is something new to hate/argue about each week of the racing season. 

 

The patterns seen here on Vital are useful to observe.

It is a microcosm of the greater whole. 

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The patterns seen here on Vital are useful to observe.

It is a microcosm of the greater whole. 

Woah....so deep....

"That's what she said."

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11/20/2024 3:52pm
McG194 wrote:
I haven't read the entire thread but if this is true Deegs can't really do anything on the track next year but if I was Anderson...

I haven't read the entire thread but if this is true Deegs can't really do anything on the track next year but if I was Anderson, I'd be breaking a leg at A1. 

I'm not picking sides but if you take money out of my wallet, I'm taking money out of yours. 

Kicking that karma kan down the road is always a great strategy.

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11/20/2024 3:56pm

Hasn’t Matthes had Mirtl do some work for him in the past? MavTV?

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Deegan wouldn't/doesn't even race in their class anyway.

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