Anybody have a clue WHEN the electric CRF might be available ?

Last2Stroke wrote:

Before 2040, that's the year Honda has committed for all it's bikes to be fully electric!Honda is racing the RTL Electric in the All Japan Trial...

Before 2040, that's the year Honda has committed for all it's bikes to be fully electric!

Honda is racing the RTL Electric in the All Japan Trial Championship Series this year, it uses the CR Electric Proto's battery and motor...

Trials doesn't put as much load on the battery, so it's likely Honda releases this first.

Don't expect to Honda to release it's electric motocross bike until it's raced a full season of the All Japan Motocross Championship Series.

Last2Stroke wrote:

Before 2040, that's the year Honda has committed for all it's bikes to be fully electric!Honda is racing the RTL Electric in the All Japan Trial...

Before 2040, that's the year Honda has committed for all it's bikes to be fully electric!

Honda is racing the RTL Electric in the All Japan Trial Championship Series this year, it uses the CR Electric Proto's battery and motor...

Trials doesn't put as much load on the battery, so it's likely Honda releases this first.

Don't expect to Honda to release it's electric motocross bike until it's raced a full season of the All Japan Motocross Championship Series.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

I don't think they're fully onboard with an all electric bike lineup just yet. https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2024/november/honda-v3/"In a bid to future proof their internal combustion engines (ICE), ...

I don't think they're fully onboard with an all electric bike lineup just yet. 

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2024/november/honda-v3/

"In a bid to future proof their internal combustion engines (ICE), Honda have revealed an all new, ultra efficient, mid-capacity forced induction V3 motor for their upcoming bike models, which could find its way into a production machine as soon as 2026."

zehn wrote:

“Yeah idk bro but I heard someone died” is peak Vital

Last2Stroke wrote:

Honda's demonstration solid-state battery plant is expected to start production in January 2025...

https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/honda-motorcycle-battery-technology-update/

Last2Stroke wrote:

Honda's demonstration solid-state battery plant is expected to start production in January 2025...

https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/honda-motorcycle-battery-technology-update/

Beagle wrote:

Interesting read, still a long way before they introduce this in electric motorcycles. My guess, need maybe a couple of years to get everything in order...

Interesting read, still a long way before they introduce this in electric motorcycles. My guess, need maybe a couple of years to get everything in order at the factory, quality control, supplier chain and so on, then start producing relatively small volumes, first for high-end cars, then a few years down the road expand the range, including motorcycles.

We've been waiting for Honda CR electric prototype since 2017 but we've been waiting for solid state batteries for even longer. My guess: we should see the CR electric sooner than Honda cars with solid state batteries, so I'm confident Honda will release the bike sometime before.. . 2030 😆

Beagle wrote:

Yes I could see them racing MXEP in 2026 before releasing the bike a bit later like 2027 or 2028.

desertratlife wrote:

Honda hasn't been at the forefront of technology for a long time.  Yamaha holeshot them on modern 4 stroke mx bikes, SxS and probably some other...

Honda hasn't been at the forefront of technology for a long time.  Yamaha holeshot them on modern 4 stroke mx bikes, SxS and probably some other things.  

Dirty Points wrote:

You can get an electrc CRF right now!

https://www.greengerpowersports.com/product/crf-e2/

Dirty Points wrote:

You can get an electrc CRF right now!

https://www.greengerpowersports.com/product/crf-e2/

Last2Stroke wrote:

It's not competitive, it has 76hp less than the Stark Varg!

Last2Stroke wrote:

Honda's demonstration solid-state battery plant is expected to start production in January 2025...

https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/honda-motorcycle-battery-technology-update/

Beagle wrote:

Interesting read, still a long way before they introduce this in electric motorcycles. My guess, need maybe a couple of years to get everything in order...

Interesting read, still a long way before they introduce this in electric motorcycles. My guess, need maybe a couple of years to get everything in order at the factory, quality control, supplier chain and so on, then start producing relatively small volumes, first for high-end cars, then a few years down the road expand the range, including motorcycles.

We've been waiting for Honda CR electric prototype since 2017 but we've been waiting for solid state batteries for even longer. My guess: we should see the CR electric sooner than Honda cars with solid state batteries, so I'm confident Honda will release the bike sometime before.. . 2030 😆

Last2Stroke wrote:

Honda's demonstration solid-state battery plant is expected to start production in January 2025...

https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/honda-motorcycle-battery-technology-update/

Beagle wrote:

Interesting read, still a long way before they introduce this in electric motorcycles. My guess, need maybe a couple of years to get everything in order...

Interesting read, still a long way before they introduce this in electric motorcycles. My guess, need maybe a couple of years to get everything in order at the factory, quality control, supplier chain and so on, then start producing relatively small volumes, first for high-end cars, then a few years down the road expand the range, including motorcycles.

We've been waiting for Honda CR electric prototype since 2017 but we've been waiting for solid state batteries for even longer. My guess: we should see the CR electric sooner than Honda cars with solid state batteries, so I'm confident Honda will release the bike sometime before.. . 2030 😆

Falcon wrote:

"Sometime before 2030" isn't that many production years. It's entirely possible that they already have all the tooling they need to mass-produce a CR-E, but it...

"Sometime before 2030" isn't that many production years. It's entirely possible that they already have all the tooling they need to mass-produce a CR-E, but it still won't be released until then because of testing. The tests those Japanese companies do would blow your mind, and especially on an electric bike, Honda will be very, very careful. 

I'm talking about things like: "What if someone is nearby using a high-powered welder, and the welder arcs, causing a momentary surge in the drive motor, which causes the bike to leap into the intersection and kill someone? We must have a prevention for that." 
Or, "What if the rider rides it underwater for an hour, using SCUBA gear?" (Ooops, I think I just invented a new extreme sport!)
Or, "What if the bike is too good and an angry mob of ICE Vital members comes over to the Honda rider's pit and beats him up?" 

Last2Stroke wrote:

Honda's demonstration solid-state battery plant is expected to start production in January 2025...

https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/honda-motorcycle-battery-technology-update/

Beagle wrote:

Interesting read, still a long way before they introduce this in electric motorcycles. My guess, need maybe a couple of years to get everything in order...

Interesting read, still a long way before they introduce this in electric motorcycles. My guess, need maybe a couple of years to get everything in order at the factory, quality control, supplier chain and so on, then start producing relatively small volumes, first for high-end cars, then a few years down the road expand the range, including motorcycles.

We've been waiting for Honda CR electric prototype since 2017 but we've been waiting for solid state batteries for even longer. My guess: we should see the CR electric sooner than Honda cars with solid state batteries, so I'm confident Honda will release the bike sometime before.. . 2030 😆

Falcon wrote:

"Sometime before 2030" isn't that many production years. It's entirely possible that they already have all the tooling they need to mass-produce a CR-E, but it...

"Sometime before 2030" isn't that many production years. It's entirely possible that they already have all the tooling they need to mass-produce a CR-E, but it still won't be released until then because of testing. The tests those Japanese companies do would blow your mind, and especially on an electric bike, Honda will be very, very careful. 

I'm talking about things like: "What if someone is nearby using a high-powered welder, and the welder arcs, causing a momentary surge in the drive motor, which causes the bike to leap into the intersection and kill someone? We must have a prevention for that." 
Or, "What if the rider rides it underwater for an hour, using SCUBA gear?" (Ooops, I think I just invented a new extreme sport!)
Or, "What if the bike is too good and an angry mob of ICE Vital members comes over to the Honda rider's pit and beats him up?" 

Beagle wrote:

Interesting read, still a long way before they introduce this in electric motorcycles. My guess, need maybe a couple of years to get everything in order...

Interesting read, still a long way before they introduce this in electric motorcycles. My guess, need maybe a couple of years to get everything in order at the factory, quality control, supplier chain and so on, then start producing relatively small volumes, first for high-end cars, then a few years down the road expand the range, including motorcycles.

We've been waiting for Honda CR electric prototype since 2017 but we've been waiting for solid state batteries for even longer. My guess: we should see the CR electric sooner than Honda cars with solid state batteries, so I'm confident Honda will release the bike sometime before.. . 2030 😆

Falcon wrote:

"Sometime before 2030" isn't that many production years. It's entirely possible that they already have all the tooling they need to mass-produce a CR-E, but it...

"Sometime before 2030" isn't that many production years. It's entirely possible that they already have all the tooling they need to mass-produce a CR-E, but it still won't be released until then because of testing. The tests those Japanese companies do would blow your mind, and especially on an electric bike, Honda will be very, very careful. 

I'm talking about things like: "What if someone is nearby using a high-powered welder, and the welder arcs, causing a momentary surge in the drive motor, which causes the bike to leap into the intersection and kill someone? We must have a prevention for that." 
Or, "What if the rider rides it underwater for an hour, using SCUBA gear?" (Ooops, I think I just invented a new extreme sport!)
Or, "What if the bike is too good and an angry mob of ICE Vital members comes over to the Honda rider's pit and beats him up?" 

Last2Stroke wrote:

Or, what if it's not as good as a Stark Varg and Honda needs time to catch up!

38special wrote:

I think the Big Four are taking note of all the Starks sitting on showroom floors and the price cuts.It's a small niche right now and...

I think the Big Four are taking note of all the Starks sitting on showroom floors and the price cuts.

It's a small niche right now and will remain that way for quite some time.  

early wrote:

Honda opened a lithium ion battery production facility in Ohio as a joint venture with LG a year ago. Honda just opened a solid state battery...

Honda opened a lithium ion battery production facility in Ohio as a joint venture with LG a year ago. Honda just opened a solid state battery demonstration line 2 weeks ago in Japan with hopes to see full production towards the end of the 2020s. I wouldn't doubt if they were banking on the solid state batteries to be proven out before they release a dirtbike utilizing that technology. With solid state you should be able to get an honest 45 minutes at pro level from a bike the same weight as the Stark. A 20 minute race bike could come in around 225lbs with those batteries. 

Manufacturers may be watching Stark, or they may be scared of Stark. The Varg is a straight up better bike than what KTM or anyone else offers at a similar pricepoint. Vargs have been in consumer hands for about a year and so far there doesn't seem to be too many inherent flaws with the bike which is impressive for a maiden release. Even with showroom stock and shorter lead times, Stark has the advantage of being nimble in its production, the opposite of big H.

Last2Stroke wrote:

The only flaws customers have found with the Stark Varg, are range when ridden by fast riders, battery overheating when ridden in deep sand, and recharge...

The only flaws customers have found with the Stark Varg, are range when ridden by fast riders, battery overheating when ridden in deep sand, and recharge time, all things solid state batteries may solve.

Last2Stroke wrote:

The only flaws customers have found with the Stark Varg, are range when ridden by fast riders, battery overheating when ridden in deep sand, and recharge...

The only flaws customers have found with the Stark Varg, are range when ridden by fast riders, battery overheating when ridden in deep sand, and recharge time, all things solid state batteries may solve.

early wrote:

There's small things like not enough chain adjustment, chain guide interferes with larger sprockets, some phone connectivity issues maybe, water pump connection not tight or something...

There's small things like not enough chain adjustment, chain guide interferes with larger sprockets, some phone connectivity issues maybe, water pump connection not tight or something like that causing thermal error. All-in-all not bad and likely could be solved with running revisions. 

Then there's the discharge rate issue depending on riding situation, which isn't really surprising if you are familiar with electric vehicles, but so far dead batteries, controllers and motors seem to not be too big of an issue. (knocking on a huge slab of wood)

zehn wrote:

“Yeah idk bro but I heard someone died” is peak Vital

Last2Stroke wrote:

170,790 people die every day around the world, it happens to everyone eventually!