Is Putin America's friend or enemy?

zookrider62! wrote:

No fun in that

zookrider62! wrote:

Isn’t that every news story for both sides?Makes your person look bad - fake newsMakes your person look good - God almighty wrote that article himselfMakes...

Isn’t that every news story for both sides?

Makes your person look bad - fake news

Makes your person look good - God almighty wrote that article himself

Makes your person look good, written by a non-good person - look past the writer, the message is correct!

Titan1 wrote:

Calling it "fake news", sure, both sides are guilty of that...I'll give you that...but fake news is different than calling something "russian propaganda"...And its the left...

Calling it "fake news", sure, both sides are guilty of that...I'll give you that...but fake news is different than calling something "russian propaganda"...And its the left that is calling anything about Russia they don't agree with Russian propaganda...

zookrider62! wrote:

Aren’t there comments in this thread saying it’s Russian propaganda Fake news, propaganda, photoshopped, whatever you want to call, doesn’t make a difference, the gist of it...

Aren’t there comments in this thread saying it’s Russian propaganda 

Fake news, propaganda, photoshopped, whatever you want to call, doesn’t make a difference, the gist of it you shouldn’t believe it

Titan1 wrote:

Calling it "fake news", sure, both sides are guilty of that...I'll give you that...but fake news is different than calling something "russian propaganda"...And its the left...

Calling it "fake news", sure, both sides are guilty of that...I'll give you that...but fake news is different than calling something "russian propaganda"...And its the left that is calling anything about Russia they don't agree with Russian propaganda...

zookrider62! wrote:

Aren’t there comments in this thread saying it’s Russian propaganda Fake news, propaganda, photoshopped, whatever you want to call, doesn’t make a difference, the gist of it...

Aren’t there comments in this thread saying it’s Russian propaganda 

Fake news, propaganda, photoshopped, whatever you want to call, doesn’t make a difference, the gist of it you shouldn’t believe it

Titan1 wrote:

The right in this thread calling it propaganda were simply pointing out the lefts hypocrisy...the left believes nothing from the kremlin (it's all propaganda), right up...

The right in this thread calling it propaganda were simply pointing out the lefts hypocrisy...the left believes nothing from the kremlin (it's all propaganda), right up until they say something they agree with, then they support it and start shouting it from the rooftops.  I assume even you can see/acknowledge the hypocrisy of that? 

Spoonguy wrote:

The real question should be are we Putin's friend or enemy. We have done some real shitty things to Russia over the past 100 years or...

The real question should be are we Putin's friend or enemy. We have done some real shitty things to Russia over the past 100 years or so. That Putin controls a nuclear arsenal that includes continent killing nuclear subs each carrying more destructive force than all the weapons used in WW2 combined should dictate policy towards that country more than political doctrine. We share no borders with Russia, do not compete with them economically or industrially in any magnitude, do not have huge ethnic or religious differences, our sole reasons for this long-lasting mortal struggle are mostly political ideology. Is that any reason for the entire planet to be at the cusp and precipice of annihilation ever presently? We need to find peace with these people at all costs, our children need this, the human race needs this. Make no mistake we are at war with them now, our radar in Poland tracks Russian soldiers for their enemies, we supply and fund their enemies, we are making Russia an enemy of ours for generations. The nuclear question is not going away. Putin, though labeled a murdering zealot, has shown control over the genie we released from the bottle for now. Anyone who wishes he be removed, or if he is removed, God help humanity with who replaces him. We are talking about a people who lost one in five citizens in a war not too long ago historically. A people who had to amass 500 divisions to defend itself and has had hostile boots on its home soil repeatedly, our country has no way to comprehend those people's perspectives.

zookrider62! wrote:

Aren’t there comments in this thread saying it’s Russian propaganda Fake news, propaganda, photoshopped, whatever you want to call, doesn’t make a difference, the gist of it...

Aren’t there comments in this thread saying it’s Russian propaganda 

Fake news, propaganda, photoshopped, whatever you want to call, doesn’t make a difference, the gist of it you shouldn’t believe it

Titan1 wrote:

The right in this thread calling it propaganda were simply pointing out the lefts hypocrisy...the left believes nothing from the kremlin (it's all propaganda), right up...

The right in this thread calling it propaganda were simply pointing out the lefts hypocrisy...the left believes nothing from the kremlin (it's all propaganda), right up until they say something they agree with, then they support it and start shouting it from the rooftops.  I assume even you can see/acknowledge the hypocrisy of that? 

zookrider62! wrote:

Sure, I can, but i honestly don’t careIt goes right back to, the messenger and the message don’t matter, as long as it’s what you want...

Sure, I can, but i honestly don’t care

It goes right back to, the messenger and the message don’t matter, as long as it’s what you want to hear

Both sides equally guilty

Spoonguy wrote:

The real question should be are we Putin's friend or enemy. We have done some real shitty things to Russia over the past 100 years or...

The real question should be are we Putin's friend or enemy. We have done some real shitty things to Russia over the past 100 years or so. That Putin controls a nuclear arsenal that includes continent killing nuclear subs each carrying more destructive force than all the weapons used in WW2 combined should dictate policy towards that country more than political doctrine. We share no borders with Russia, do not compete with them economically or industrially in any magnitude, do not have huge ethnic or religious differences, our sole reasons for this long-lasting mortal struggle are mostly political ideology. Is that any reason for the entire planet to be at the cusp and precipice of annihilation ever presently? We need to find peace with these people at all costs, our children need this, the human race needs this. Make no mistake we are at war with them now, our radar in Poland tracks Russian soldiers for their enemies, we supply and fund their enemies, we are making Russia an enemy of ours for generations. The nuclear question is not going away. Putin, though labeled a murdering zealot, has shown control over the genie we released from the bottle for now. Anyone who wishes he be removed, or if he is removed, God help humanity with who replaces him. We are talking about a people who lost one in five citizens in a war not too long ago historically. A people who had to amass 500 divisions to defend itself and has had hostile boots on its home soil repeatedly, our country has no way to comprehend those people's perspectives.

lappedrider wrote:

I think you might be watching too much Tucker.  

Spoonguy wrote:

The real question should be are we Putin's friend or enemy. We have done some real shitty things to Russia over the past 100 years or...

The real question should be are we Putin's friend or enemy. We have done some real shitty things to Russia over the past 100 years or so. That Putin controls a nuclear arsenal that includes continent killing nuclear subs each carrying more destructive force than all the weapons used in WW2 combined should dictate policy towards that country more than political doctrine. We share no borders with Russia, do not compete with them economically or industrially in any magnitude, do not have huge ethnic or religious differences, our sole reasons for this long-lasting mortal struggle are mostly political ideology. Is that any reason for the entire planet to be at the cusp and precipice of annihilation ever presently? We need to find peace with these people at all costs, our children need this, the human race needs this. Make no mistake we are at war with them now, our radar in Poland tracks Russian soldiers for their enemies, we supply and fund their enemies, we are making Russia an enemy of ours for generations. The nuclear question is not going away. Putin, though labeled a murdering zealot, has shown control over the genie we released from the bottle for now. Anyone who wishes he be removed, or if he is removed, God help humanity with who replaces him. We are talking about a people who lost one in five citizens in a war not too long ago historically. A people who had to amass 500 divisions to defend itself and has had hostile boots on its home soil repeatedly, our country has no way to comprehend those people's perspectives.

kongols wrote:

Lots of big words, no substance at all. Russians laughing their asses off how their money is well spent.

Spoonguy wrote:

The real question should be are we Putin's friend or enemy. We have done some real shitty things to Russia over the past 100 years or...

The real question should be are we Putin's friend or enemy. We have done some real shitty things to Russia over the past 100 years or so. That Putin controls a nuclear arsenal that includes continent killing nuclear subs each carrying more destructive force than all the weapons used in WW2 combined should dictate policy towards that country more than political doctrine. We share no borders with Russia, do not compete with them economically or industrially in any magnitude, do not have huge ethnic or religious differences, our sole reasons for this long-lasting mortal struggle are mostly political ideology. Is that any reason for the entire planet to be at the cusp and precipice of annihilation ever presently? We need to find peace with these people at all costs, our children need this, the human race needs this. Make no mistake we are at war with them now, our radar in Poland tracks Russian soldiers for their enemies, we supply and fund their enemies, we are making Russia an enemy of ours for generations. The nuclear question is not going away. Putin, though labeled a murdering zealot, has shown control over the genie we released from the bottle for now. Anyone who wishes he be removed, or if he is removed, God help humanity with who replaces him. We are talking about a people who lost one in five citizens in a war not too long ago historically. A people who had to amass 500 divisions to defend itself and has had hostile boots on its home soil repeatedly, our country has no way to comprehend those people's perspectives.

kongols wrote:

Lots of big words, no substance at all. Russians laughing their asses off how their money is well spent.

Spoonguy wrote:

Respect and acknowledge your opinion Kongols, despite your lack of explanation. I learn more from people that disagree with me, than those that agree with me...

Respect and acknowledge your opinion Kongols, despite your lack of explanation. I learn more from people that disagree with me, than those that agree with me, don't you think? That the two powers in the world that have the most nuclear devastating power, the Armageddon powers, get along and make nice, should be self-evident. There is not an argument I have been presented that we should make an enemy of Russia. They have made forwards to us since the end of WW2, that we have rebuffed, despite our medias insistence that they are our mortal enemies. Anything to support the military industrial complex I suppose. Putin has even asked for admittance to NATO himself, twice! That the two of us, Russia, and the USA, became allies and rid the world of fascism only to fall out shortly thereafter is a shame. We could have continued the alliance to really forward the world's situation.

kongols wrote:

Lots of big words, no substance at all. Russians laughing their asses off how their money is well spent.

Spoonguy wrote:

Respect and acknowledge your opinion Kongols, despite your lack of explanation. I learn more from people that disagree with me, than those that agree with me...

Respect and acknowledge your opinion Kongols, despite your lack of explanation. I learn more from people that disagree with me, than those that agree with me, don't you think? That the two powers in the world that have the most nuclear devastating power, the Armageddon powers, get along and make nice, should be self-evident. There is not an argument I have been presented that we should make an enemy of Russia. They have made forwards to us since the end of WW2, that we have rebuffed, despite our medias insistence that they are our mortal enemies. Anything to support the military industrial complex I suppose. Putin has even asked for admittance to NATO himself, twice! That the two of us, Russia, and the USA, became allies and rid the world of fascism only to fall out shortly thereafter is a shame. We could have continued the alliance to really forward the world's situation.

kongols wrote:

I honestly have no idea where you learnt history. What you say is frightening and I was raised in USSR. The way you present historical events...

I honestly have no idea where you learnt history. What you say is frightening and I was raised in USSR. The way you present historical events makes me think you fallen victim to russian propaganda. 

Russia stands only because USA funded them in WW2. If you knew anything about Stalin and 1945, you would not wrote a single word you wrote. Your way of thinking honestly scares me.

Spoonguy wrote:

Respect and acknowledge your opinion Kongols, despite your lack of explanation. I learn more from people that disagree with me, than those that agree with me...

Respect and acknowledge your opinion Kongols, despite your lack of explanation. I learn more from people that disagree with me, than those that agree with me, don't you think? That the two powers in the world that have the most nuclear devastating power, the Armageddon powers, get along and make nice, should be self-evident. There is not an argument I have been presented that we should make an enemy of Russia. They have made forwards to us since the end of WW2, that we have rebuffed, despite our medias insistence that they are our mortal enemies. Anything to support the military industrial complex I suppose. Putin has even asked for admittance to NATO himself, twice! That the two of us, Russia, and the USA, became allies and rid the world of fascism only to fall out shortly thereafter is a shame. We could have continued the alliance to really forward the world's situation.

kongols wrote:

I honestly have no idea where you learnt history. What you say is frightening and I was raised in USSR. The way you present historical events...

I honestly have no idea where you learnt history. What you say is frightening and I was raised in USSR. The way you present historical events makes me think you fallen victim to russian propaganda. 

Russia stands only because USA funded them in WW2. If you knew anything about Stalin and 1945, you would not wrote a single word you wrote. Your way of thinking honestly scares me.

Spoonguy wrote:

Being raised in the USSR doesn't mean you know anything about that country's political relationship with the USA, though I would be certain you know of...

Being raised in the USSR doesn't mean you know anything about that country's political relationship with the USA, though I would be certain you know of hardships there. Of course, Stalin was a war criminal, of course he slayed many of his own people, and lend/lease helped the nation of USSR defeat fascism absolutely. Yet France had Algeria, Belgium had Congo, Turkey had Armenia, the USA had the Philippines, Native Americans, and it's Black citizens among many other sins. Very, very few governments are innocent of "governing" brutally. Japan had the Nanking massacre among many other crimes in China, of course Germany had the concentration camps, yet we spent huge amounts of money rebuilding them and became their allies, still having soldiers there to this day. You disregard the one in five Russians who gave their lives in that war, and the ability of that nation to amass 500 divisions in that effort, huge sacrifices. How Stalin conducted himself amongst his people, though heinous, was an affair between him and his people, not an object of US policy. My point is between the USA and USSR's combined efforts at that time the two nations did defeat fascism and made the world an arguably better place. And USA's policy should be first and foremost the safety and security of its own people. To make a mortal enemy and refuse diplomacy or cooperation with the only other nation on the planet that can "kill" the planet is foolish and shortsighted. My concern is the world I leave my Grandkids, I think that starts with reassuring there will be a world for them at all.

LungButter wrote:

How about if people just thought for themselves and didn't just blindly follow a "person/team/cult" ??

What an idea.....

Titan1 wrote:

Seriously though…how are we supposed to know if something is Russian Propaganda or not?  So far this is what I’ve figured out based on conversations here...

Seriously though…how are we supposed to know if something is Russian Propaganda or not?  

So far this is what I’ve figured out based on conversations here in non moto:

Hurts the left…propaganda

Helps the left…reliable and accurate info

Is that pretty accurate?

Spoonguy wrote:

Being raised in the USSR doesn't mean you know anything about that country's political relationship with the USA, though I would be certain you know of...

Being raised in the USSR doesn't mean you know anything about that country's political relationship with the USA, though I would be certain you know of hardships there. Of course, Stalin was a war criminal, of course he slayed many of his own people, and lend/lease helped the nation of USSR defeat fascism absolutely. Yet France had Algeria, Belgium had Congo, Turkey had Armenia, the USA had the Philippines, Native Americans, and it's Black citizens among many other sins. Very, very few governments are innocent of "governing" brutally. Japan had the Nanking massacre among many other crimes in China, of course Germany had the concentration camps, yet we spent huge amounts of money rebuilding them and became their allies, still having soldiers there to this day. You disregard the one in five Russians who gave their lives in that war, and the ability of that nation to amass 500 divisions in that effort, huge sacrifices. How Stalin conducted himself amongst his people, though heinous, was an affair between him and his people, not an object of US policy. My point is between the USA and USSR's combined efforts at that time the two nations did defeat fascism and made the world an arguably better place. And USA's policy should be first and foremost the safety and security of its own people. To make a mortal enemy and refuse diplomacy or cooperation with the only other nation on the planet that can "kill" the planet is foolish and shortsighted. My concern is the world I leave my Grandkids, I think that starts with reassuring there will be a world for them at all.

Titan1 wrote:

Seriously though…how are we supposed to know if something is Russian Propaganda or not?  So far this is what I’ve figured out based on conversations here...

Seriously though…how are we supposed to know if something is Russian Propaganda or not?  

So far this is what I’ve figured out based on conversations here in non moto:

Hurts the left…propaganda

Helps the left…reliable and accurate info

Is that pretty accurate?

enketchum wrote:

I left my house every day during the pandemic. What are you talking about? 

enketchum wrote:

Going to a park with my son or working alone in my classroom is a problem? 

enketchum wrote:

Going to a park with my son or working alone in my classroom is a problem? 

LungButter wrote:

Don’t you follow the science?You touch shit at the park with Covid then the next person touches it and they get Covid, right?You drove your car...

Don’t you follow the science?

You touch shit at the park with Covid then the next person touches it and they get Covid, right?

You drove your car to the school to work? That means at some point you had to get gas. I can’t even imagine the exposure in that. 

I’m blown away that you’d even admit to taking such huge risks and putting so many other lives in danger. 

Kamala and Newsome would be so disappointed in you. 

enketchum wrote:

Going to a park with my son or working alone in my classroom is a problem? 

LungButter wrote:

Don’t you follow the science?You touch shit at the park with Covid then the next person touches it and they get Covid, right?You drove your car...

Don’t you follow the science?

You touch shit at the park with Covid then the next person touches it and they get Covid, right?

You drove your car to the school to work? That means at some point you had to get gas. I can’t even imagine the exposure in that. 

I’m blown away that you’d even admit to taking such huge risks and putting so many other lives in danger. 

Kamala and Newsome would be so disappointed in you. 

Last2Stroke wrote:

What's this gas you talk of?

What's this gas you talk of?

SCR wrote:

That is one clostraphobic looking neighborhood. You can't even walk between the houses.

LungButter wrote:

Don’t you follow the science?You touch shit at the park with Covid then the next person touches it and they get Covid, right?You drove your car...

Don’t you follow the science?

You touch shit at the park with Covid then the next person touches it and they get Covid, right?

You drove your car to the school to work? That means at some point you had to get gas. I can’t even imagine the exposure in that. 

I’m blown away that you’d even admit to taking such huge risks and putting so many other lives in danger. 

Kamala and Newsome would be so disappointed in you. 

Last2Stroke wrote:

What's this gas you talk of?

What's this gas you talk of?

SCR wrote:

That is one clostraphobic looking neighborhood. You can't even walk between the houses.

SCR wrote:

That is one clostraphobic looking neighborhood. You can't even walk between the houses.

SCR wrote:

That is one clostraphobic looking neighborhood. You can't even walk between the houses.

Bearuno wrote:

You're not wrong there.Developers have been so pandered to, that previous Building Rules have been completely thrown out the window here. The argument that it keeps...

You're not wrong there.

Developers have been so pandered to, that previous Building Rules have been completely thrown out the window here. The argument that it keeps infrastructure costs - say water . sewerage / power down, road and transport cost down, hasn't kept pricing remotely in check. 

The difference between older neighbourhoods. and 'New' ones, when it comes to plot sizes, and distances between dwellings, is astounding. And, as development happens in older neighbourhoods, they tend to put 2 to 3 dwellings on the same plot. 

It's the way it is - mind you, for such a massive country (though, the driest on Earth) we've been one of  the most Urbanized / Suburbanized  in the World, since the beginning of the previous century. We. near all of us, live on the edges of the continent. 

 And, for quite  a few years, we rate as having the largest homes, on average, in the World. Near on Everything, seems to be McMansions now. With, ever smaller families inhabiting them. 

Bearuno wrote:

You're not wrong there.Developers have been so pandered to, that previous Building Rules have been completely thrown out the window here. The argument that it keeps...

You're not wrong there.

Developers have been so pandered to, that previous Building Rules have been completely thrown out the window here. The argument that it keeps infrastructure costs - say water . sewerage / power down, road and transport cost down, hasn't kept pricing remotely in check. 

The difference between older neighbourhoods. and 'New' ones, when it comes to plot sizes, and distances between dwellings, is astounding. And, as development happens in older neighbourhoods, they tend to put 2 to 3 dwellings on the same plot. 

It's the way it is - mind you, for such a massive country (though, the driest on Earth) we've been one of  the most Urbanized / Suburbanized  in the World, since the beginning of the previous century. We. near all of us, live on the edges of the continent. 

 And, for quite  a few years, we rate as having the largest homes, on average, in the World. Near on Everything, seems to be McMansions now. With, ever smaller families inhabiting them. 

enketchum wrote: